64 Main St East | ? m | 18 fl | Approved

[Chronamut]

Originally Posted by urban_planner

They are looking for remnants of past cornices.

They're there.. somewhere

they did erect that fake building on the site to film the hulk remember - I think it had a cornice

also if you built a building with underground parking doesn't that eliminate the need to care if the soil is contaminated.. after all.. you're removing all.. the soil.. lol..

[TheRitsman]

Originally Posted by Chronamut

They're there.. somewhere

they did erect that fake building on the site to film the hulk remember - I think it had a cornice

also if you built a building with underground parking doesn't that eliminate the need to care if the soil is contaminated.. after all.. you're removing all.. the soil.. lol..

It could be dangerous to handle. They do need to remediate it likely regardless, but the big reason that gas stations are especially dangerous is that if there is gas under the ground, it could be dangerous to the workers, and if the gas is soaked into the soil 5 storeys down but only 2 storeys is to be excavated for parking, they may need to build a special cap, or dig further down to ensure no explosion happens under a condo building or gas leaches into the parking garage killing residents from exposure.

[Chronamut]

Originally Posted by TheRitsman

It could be dangerous to handle. They do need to remediate it likely regardless, but the big reason that gas stations are especially dangerous is that if there is gas under the ground, it could be dangerous to the workers, and if the gas is soaked into the soil 5 storeys down but only 2 storeys is to be excavated for parking, they may need to build a special cap, or dig further down to ensure no explosion happens under a condo building or gas leaches into the parking garage killing residents from exposure.

Now I'm picturing when jafar sends the one turret catapulting into the air with aladdin in it lol

TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH - WHOOPEEEEE!!

[davidcappi]

[lachlanholmes]

Originally Posted by davidcappi

Always a pleasant surprise to see a new Studio JCI project here — it’s refreshing compared to dreck that is the design of 90% of our proposals. Love it, looks great. Hope they are able to move forward sooner rather than later.

[matt602]

Looks great but I'll believe it when construction starts. That corner is cursed.

[TheHonestMaple]

It would be absolutely moronic for the city to hold this one up. Great location, reasonable size. But let me guess, they'll deny it because of some shadows that may cast into the adjacent park for some hours in the morning.

Are we in a housing crisis? Or is that just some term politicians throw around when they need some votes?

[Innsertnamehere]

Originally Posted by TheHonestMaple

It would be absolutely moronic for the city to hold this one up. Great location, reasonable size. But let me guess, they'll deny it because of some shadows that may cast into the adjacent park for some hours in the morning.

Are we in a housing crisis? Or is that just some term politicians throw around when they need some votes?

It’s as of right from the zoning which was approved with the previous approval, so site plan approval only and it’s on its way. Council has no input on the application.

[StEC]

What a lovely design and breath of fresh air! I have zero issues with this, lets hope this gets moving along quickly!

[TheHonestMaple]

Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

It’s as of right from the zoning which was approved with the previous approval, so site plan approval only and it’s on its way. Council has no input on the application.

Can the city staff not deny its site plan application? Didn't they do that just recently with those two tall towers not far away on Jackson. The development on Jackson was denied exactly because of the shadow impact it was going to have on that park. This development is certainly going to cast a shadow in that park, so how couldn't the city deny this application too?

[Innsertnamehere]

The one on Jackson was a zoning bylaw amendment which goes to council.

Site plan is for technical matters only. The City can reject a site plan application, but it would be because the developer is proposing the project without a front door or sidewalks or an effective servicing connection or something. It’s exceedingly rare for site plans to be rejected, especially now that council isn’t allowed to vote on them any more (thanks Ford!).

Zoning is what regulates things like height, parking requirements, setbacks, etcetera. And that’s what goes to council for approval. In this case, those things are already approved through the old development application. The City can’t reject it because they have already approved an 18 storey building here.

Hamilton is usually pretty good about getting through site plan approval relatively quickly too.

[TheHonestMaple]

Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

The one on Jackson was a zoning bylaw amendment which goes to council.

Site plan is for technical matters only. The City can reject a site plan application, but it would be because the developer is proposing the project without a front door or sidewalks or an effective servicing connection or something. It’s exceedingly rare for site plans to be rejected, especially now that council isn’t allowed to vote on them any more (thanks Ford!).

Zoning is what regulates things like height, parking requirements, setbacks, etcetera. And that’s what goes to council for approval. In this case, those things are already approved through the old development application. The City can’t reject it because they have already approved an 18 storey building here.

Hamilton is usually pretty good about getting through site plan approval relatively quickly too.

Understood! Thanks for the background info, I didn't realize that. Well, let's hope this gets approved quickly and construction starts!

Any bets on when we see some activity here?

[ScreamingViking]

This concept looks great. Much better than Harry's faux-historical bullchit fantasy.

I wish it could be a bit taller, but given that it fits the zoning and the likelihood a request for more height would lead to a battle that drags things out, get 'er done!

Maybe a taller sister could eventually go up where that plaza is between Bowen and Catharine.

[Berklon]

I like it. Excellent location too.
It seems like every square block of the downtown core has/will have a new development.

[Chronamut]

What's wrong with all of you this is ugly and generic as hell, esp. Considering all the other renders that we had - is this all we get to have as a city? Brutalistic brick with window punchouts?? Literally the only thing modern architects seems to be able to design are pictureframe jutouts, punched in windows and oddly spaced windows - that's not designing a building - that is moving around generic presets in a cad program. Our city should be ashamed for accepting this as "design". - itll probably be vranich looking too where you'll be able to see the seams between the precast panels and it will look super cheap. I've gotten so sick of this minimalistic approach where there is nothing of actual architectural value to actually look at on the building..

And there is nothing wrong with "faux" heritage, core urban does it all the time - esp in this area where it's rowhouse all the way down.. styles come and go, they just become "heritage" when they've been up for x amt of years. I have no issues with classical designs esp in the core.

Seems hamilton only approves things when you finally propose something thats as ugly as all the other "modern" renders which is just codename for "we designed this this way because it's cheaper but we're going to market it to you as chic so you pay more for less"

Bet the ceilings will be exposed concrete too.. our ancestors could have made generic cutout boxes of buildings too, but they knew that in order to have any sort of self respect a building needed to have some element of craftsmanship. They call it "warm masonry" ok there..

This design will also age TERRIBLY, mark my words. The only semi-okay part of it imo is the restaurant. It literally has some of the most beautiful heritage buildings right across the street - from the revitalized building on the corner to the courthouse to the royal connaught.. sorry I just find this design very disappointing, considering all that's around it. This makes the landmark building look good in comparison, and that's saying something.

[Beedok]

Depending on the material is looks like it could be very nice.

[TheHonestMaple]

Originally Posted by Chronamut

What's wrong with all of you this is ugly and generic as hell, esp. Considering all the other renders that we had - is this all we get to have as a city? Brutalistic brick with window punchouts?? Literally the only thing modern architects seems to be able to design are pictureframe jutouts, punched in windows and oddly spaced windows - that's not designing a building - that is moving around generic presets in a cad program. Our city should be ashamed for accepting this as "design". - itll probably be vranich looking too where you'll be able to see the seams between the precast panels and it will look super cheap. I've gotten so sick of this minimalistic approach where there is nothing of actual architectural value to actually look at on the building..

And there is nothing wrong with "faux" heritage, core urban does it all the time - esp in this area where it's rowhouse all the way down.. styles come and go, they just become "heritage" when they've been up for x amt of years. I have no issues with classical designs esp in the core.

Seems hamilton only approves things when you finally propose something thats as ugly as all the other "modern" renders which is just codename for "we designed this this way because it's cheaper but we're going to market it to you as chic so you pay more for less"

Bet the ceilings will be exposed concrete too.. our ancestors could have made generic cutout boxes of buildings too, but they knew that in order to have any sort of self respect a building needed to have some element of craftsmanship. They call it "warm masonry" ok there..

This design will also age TERRIBLY, mark my words. The only semi-okay part of it imo is the restaurant. It literally has some of the most beautiful heritage buildings right across the street - from the revitalized building on the corner to the courthouse to the royal connaught.. sorry I just find this design very disappointing, considering all that's around it. This makes the landmark building look good in comparison, and that's saying something.

I completely disagree. StudioJCI does some fantastic work. Just look at 1 Jarvis. If the right materials are selected, which I have no doubt they will be, this will be a fantastic addition to the city.

[TheRitsman]

I'm not in love with the design, it looks a bit plain, but using good materials it's one of those buildings that will meld into the background instead of looking terrible like the back of the Walnut residences.

Assuming no spandrel glass, this could look really clean. I do think it would look better without balconies, but that could be said for most new buildings. The first floor retail space looks great, but the rest of the ground floor could use some work to interact with the sidewalks better. It looks to be brick as well, socI would hope they do real brick for at least the few first floors, though I don't know when they'd transition since this doesn't have a podium.

I understand it's a tight property though and they're working within approved zoning. Overall I welcome something finally being built here if it happens. Podium designs often don't look great, or the podium is too short. The city seems to prefer short podiums, but I like a podium that is around 4-5 floors. This not having a podium because it wa supposed before the tall building guidelines lends itself to having a more clean design with a single motif running through the whole structure.

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