Hwy 99 Fraser River Tunnel (George Massey Replacement) | Proposed - Page 226

cairnstone · #**4501** Posted **Jun 28, 2023, 9:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by Metro-One

I still fail to see how it made any financial sense to stop the bridge project, just to proceed with a less expansive more expensive version a decade later…

The bridge was never engineered prior to starting work. It was a huge election promise that backfired. So you really cant compare the 2. If you listen to the managers of the ministry off the record they were caught off guard when there was a huge press release as every geotech report prior to the bi press release said the soil will not support the bridge and there could not be a $ figure attached. This would have turned into another money pit. Similar to what metro Vancouver has had with several of their projects. The NDP went back to what engineering supported. And regardless what Falcon says in a press release that this would be year 2 driving over it that is 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 as this span would have been plagued with supply chain issues money issues and Covid delays.

Don't forget the liberals had to back track on the 3P port Mann bridge as it was stalled out for over a year and the ministry had to pick up Miqures group portion and turn it into government debt.
The bigger question was why did the liberals not want to deal with the pattelo bridge? which is in a state of failure with bandage repair on bandage repair.

Metro-One · #**4502** Posted **Jun 28, 2023, 10:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by fredinno

Richmond and Delta also really did not want the high bridge structure or the tall HOV Steveston Way Exit, though I'm sure Delta could have been bribed with a full-flow River Road exit, and Steveston Way was only so tall because of wanting to keep the nearby ALR land.

Basically, the Bridge and exit structures were 'too tall'.

Richmond didn't, but Delta was in full support of the bridge and was quite angry when the project was cancelled. They also supported the project's resurrection promised by the liberals in the last election.

Also of note, the native bands involved in the project were also in full support of the bridge.

CanSpice · #**4503** Posted **Jun 29, 2023, 4:34 AM**

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Originally Posted by fredinno

Those were in large part due to activists blocking the project, then complaining when it went overbudget to to their actions.

Activists caused the TMX budget to balloon 44% to nearly $31 billion in a single year? I think you're incredibly mistaken about that.

M00dy · #**4504** Posted **Jun 29, 2023, 12:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by cairnstone

The bridge was never engineered prior to starting work. It was a huge election promise that backfired. So you really cant compare the 2. If you listen to the managers of the ministry off the record they were caught off guard when there was a huge press release as every geotech report prior to the bi press release said the soil will not support the bridge and there could not be a $ figure attached. This would have turned into another money pit. Similar to what metro Vancouver has had with several of their projects. The NDP went back to what engineering supported. And regardless what Falcon says in a press release that this would be year 2 driving over it that is 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 as this span would have been plagued with supply chain issues money issues and Covid delays.

Don't forget the liberals had to back track on the 3P port Mann bridge as it was stalled out for over a year and the ministry had to pick up Miqures group portion and turn it into government debt.
The bigger question was why did the liberals not want to deal with the pattelo bridge? which is in a state of failure with bandage repair on bandage repair.

This is a load of 🞵🞵🞵🞵. It wasn't fully engineered at the time of election because it was put out as a design-build project. Multiple bids went in with engineering support of how the structure would be constructed. The detailed designs would have been produced after contract signing. That's how DB projects work.

Structures are built all over the world using friction pile foundations. It's all a matter of how deep and how many. ($$$)

GMD · #**4505** Posted **Jun 29, 2023, 4:56 PM**

I am an NDP supporter, and think they have generally been a vast improvement over the late stage corrupt Liberals under Christy Clark, but it seems obvious in retrospect that killing this project only to bring it back in less comprehensive, more expensive form a few years later was a mistake, and I guess if they felt able to speak freely, folks like Horgan might well admit that.

But there is not much point in re-litigating the past, just have to make the best of where we are at going forward.

fredinno · #**4506** Posted **Jun 29, 2023, 5:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by CanSpice

Activists caused the TMX budget to balloon 44% to nearly $31 billion in a single year? I think you're incredibly mistaken about that.

Not really an expert on TMX, I can't tell you.

cairnstone · #**4507** Posted **Jun 29, 2023, 9:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by M00dy

This is a load of 🞵🞵🞵🞵. It wasn't fully engineered at the time of election because it was put out as a design-build project. Multiple bids went in with engineering support of how the structure would be constructed. The detailed designs would have been produced after contract signing. That's how DB projects work.

Structures are built all over the world using friction pile foundations. It's all a matter of how deep and how many. ($$$)

Then why was the Ministry kept in the dark about it and working on a tunnel plan. As for friction pile yes they do work and also dont. I guess you never notice the bump on the coquitlam side of the port mann where it has sank.

And yes $$$ there was no budget it was another liberal blank check project because there was no engineering to give a budget.

THe liberals do not have a good track record of even coming close on budgets

aberdeen5698 · #**4508** Posted **Jun 30, 2023, 1:24 AM**

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Originally Posted by cairnstone

THe liberals do not have a good track record of even coming close on budgets

Fast Ferry Scandal

It's not Liberals vs. NDP. It's politics vs. competence.

Jimbo604 · #**4509** Posted **Jun 30, 2023, 4:59 AM**

Get ready for 2035 opening!

M00dy · #**4510** Posted **Jul 4, 2023, 1:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by cairnstone

Then why was the Ministry kept in the dark about it and working on a tunnel plan. As for friction pile yes they do work and also dont. I guess you never notice the bump on the coquitlam side of the port mann where it has sank.

And yes $$$ there was no budget it was another liberal blank check project because there was no engineering to give a budget.

THe liberals do not have a good track record of even coming close on budgets

Can you provide any source for that at all? I don't think anything was kept in the dark about the bridge bidding process. There were press releases, government project website just like the current tunnel bid, etc. etc.

Only legitimate criticism on that side is that it was a rushed bid, that is to say ~1.5 years for RFQ/RFP iirc.

cairnstone · #**4511** Posted **Jul 4, 2023, 3:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by M00dy

Can you provide any source for that at all? I don't think anything was kept in the dark about the bridge bidding process. There were press releases, government project website just like the current tunnel bid, etc. etc.

Only legitimate criticism on that side is that it was a rushed bid, that is to say ~1.5 years for RFQ/RFP iirc.

Usually the people in charge are made aware prior to a big press release. This was a press release first and a ministry caught out of the loop.

cairnstone · #**4512** Posted **Jul 4, 2023, 3:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

Fast Ferry Scandal

It's not Liberals vs. NDP. It's politics vs. competence.

Well there was no competence with the previous governments projects

CanSpice · #**4513** Posted **Jul 4, 2023, 4:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by cairnstone

Usually the people in charge are made aware prior to a big press release. This was a press release first and a ministry caught out of the loop.

Can you provide any source for that at all?

officedweller · #**4514** Posted **Jul 4, 2023, 11:31 PM**

From Daily Hive.

Cycle/pedestrian path in the middle?

Bidding process begins for new replacement George Massey Tunnel
Kenneth Chan
Jul 4 2023, 12:04 pm
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=9984215

Conceptual depiction of the new replacement George Massey Tunnel. (Government of BC)
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=9984215