Tempe Development Thread - Page 576

PHXFlyer11 · #**11501** Posted **Oct 13, 2023, 2:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by CB1

Pier up.

Beautiful! Can you remind me which project this is? I'm sure I've seen the rendering, just trying to picture these three tower together in a few years.

CrestedSaguaro · #**11502** Posted **Oct 13, 2023, 5:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by PHXFlyer11

Beautiful! Can you remind me which project this is? I'm sure I've seen the rendering, just trying to picture these three tower together in a few years.

Cranes are for South Pier and It's going to 5+ towers together in the future (3 new towers in the first phase)

https://www.tempe.gov/government/economic-development/south-pier

https://southpierlive.com/

ASU Diablo · #**11503** Posted **Oct 16, 2023, 11:33 PM**

Former P.F. Chang's place getting taken over the by the same group that brought Wren & Wolf and other hot spots to downtown Phoenix.

Oh no, a craft cocktail bar...the horror.

https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/news/2023/10/16/local-restaurant-former-pf-chang-s-tempe.html

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A new restaurant is set to open next year in the former P.F. Chang’s China Bistro space on Mill Avenue in Tempe.

Wexford Developments, which owns the 127,000-square-foot Centerpoint on Mill development in downtown Tempe, announced Monday the company has signed a lease with Pretty Decent Concepts, the restaurant and bar group behind Wren & Wolf, Trophy Room and the upcoming Carry On in downtown Phoenix.

Pretty Decent Concepts has not released too many details about the new project but said that they want to open two concepts under one roof – one being a chef-driven restaurant and the other will be a craft cocktail bar. The total space for both projects will be 7,700-square feet, plus a patio.

“When we were looking for our next project, we wanted a marquee space in a location that could define a community,” Teddy Myers, a co-owner of Pretty Decent Concepts, said in a statement. “We’re excited for the opportunity to embrace Tempe’s potential and have a hand in sculpting its future, just as we did in helping shape Downtown Phoenix’s identity.”

exit2lef · #**11504** Posted **Oct 17, 2023, 2:04 AM**

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Originally Posted by ASU Diablo

Oh no, a craft cocktail bar...the horror.

I expect the folks active in the Maple-Ash-Farmer-Wilson Neighborhood group on Facebook are going to hate this, but I'd love to have an option of this type on Mill.

locolife · #**11505** Posted **Oct 17, 2023, 2:55 AM**

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Originally Posted by ASU Diablo

Former P.F. Chang's place getting taken over the by the same group that brought Wren & Wolf and other hot spots to downtown Phoenix.

Oh no, a craft cocktail bar...the horror.

https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/news/2023/10/16/local-restaurant-former-pf-chang-s-tempe.html

They're going to do great, we keep looking for concepts like this in Tempe and they are few and far between. Looking forward to it.

MiEncanto · #**11506** Posted **Oct 17, 2023, 5:16 PM**

I hope they do it right because downtown Tempe really needs a classy/fine dining restaurant. For whatever reason Tempe has struggled in this area. House of Tricks closing removed one of its few nicer places.

combusean · #**11507** Posted **Oct 17, 2023, 5:53 PM**

That is absolutely bizarre that after all this gentrification and development Tempe has 0 $$$/$$$$ restaurants downtown. Nothing between Top of the Rock (had no idea that was there) and ... The Keg in tempe marketplace (lol).

MiEncanto · #**11508** Posted **Oct 17, 2023, 6:27 PM**

I've long wondered by Fox didn't do another Arrogant Butcher or The Henry in downtown Tempe given the success of both in Phx. I heard his original plan was to do only 1 of these but things change right?

exit2lef · #**11509** Posted **Oct 17, 2023, 7:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by MiEncanto

I've long wondered by Fox didn't do another Arrogant Butcher or The Henry in downtown Tempe given the success of both in Phx. I heard his original plan was to do only 1 of these but things change right?

If you compare menus, the Arrogant Butcher seems to be mostly an alternative brand for Culinary Dropout, which already operates on the edge of downtown Tempe. I think the Henry was intended as a one-off concept co-located with Fox's corporate headquarters. Fox is bringing several of its other brands like Blanco Tacos and Flower Childs to the Novus development less than a mile to the east of Mill Avenue.

MiEncanto · #**11510** Posted **Oct 17, 2023, 8:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by exit2lef

If you compare menus, the Arrogant Butcher seems to be mostly an alternative brand for Culinary Dropout, which already operates on the edge of downtown Tempe. I think the Henry was intended as a one-off concept co-located with Fox's corporate headquarters. Fox is bringing several of its other brands like Blanco Tacos and Flower Childs to the Novus development less than a mile to the east of Mill Avenue.

Right. And culinary seems to be a great investment in Tempe so I wonder why he hasn't gone after a high end market there. Most of his growth lately has been in the "easier" concepts like Blanco, Zin, Pizza, Flowerchild etc which are ok but nothing that changes the culinary scene. Who am I to question him- I'm sure he has his reasons. But it does seem like there's a market need.

CA7 · #**11511** Posted **Oct 18, 2023, 12:14 AM**

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TB sanatorium turned into hospital. Hospital abandoned, and then plowed under to create a library for a tortured Veteran, while never investigating what was buried below...

Oh, man, if this isn't turned into a script for a horror movie, I'll have to write it myself.

I was actually at this site last year for a student film that was set after dark and it was very much the creepiest experience of my life.

combusean · #**11512** Posted **Oct 18, 2023, 1:16 AM**

Apparently everyone who has ever worked there has been creeped out by it. Had the same legend when I worked at ASU many years ago.

combusean · #**11513** Posted **Oct 18, 2023, 1:17 AM**

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Originally Posted by CA7

I was actually at this site last year for a student film that was set after dark and it was very much the creepiest experience of my life.

Is it on youtube? I would love to watch it.

DesertRay · #**11514** Posted **Oct 18, 2023, 7:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by combusean

Apparently everyone who has ever worked there has been creeped out by it. Had the same legend when I worked at ASU many years ago.

NOW we're talking! Just in time for Halloween.

muertecaza · #**11515** Posted **Oct 19, 2023, 2:21 PM**

This is Tempe's white whale.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/loc...-begin-in-2025-a-sneak-peek/71234786007/

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A plan that includes preserving and adaptively reusing Tempe’s Hayden Flour Mill, the namesake of Mill Avenue, will likely begin visible construction in 2025.

The developers, Phoenix-based Venue Projects and Scottsdale-based Sunbelt Holdings, along with the city, which owns the property, will spend the next year completing environmental analysis, archaeological work, and an effort to get the site listed on the National Register of Historic Places, Lorenzo Perez, co-founder of Venue Projects said...

In total, the plan could add about 28,000 square feet of new buildings, most of which will be one or two stories tall, to the 5-acre site, and converting 105-year-old mill building for a food and beverage, office or hospitality use. Most of the new buildings will likely be used for food and beverage concepts, but could also include arts and culture installations, retail, office space or events uses...

The development will also add trails into the Hayden Butte Preserve, which is on the eastern side of the property. The trails will mostly be building official trails on places where pedestrians have already created informal trails into the preserve.

A park space, which will focus on desert landscaping and could include informational installations about the butte and its significance to the four southern tribes of Arizona: the Ak-Chin Indian Community, the Gila River Indian Community, the Salt River Pima-Maricopa Indian Community and the Tohono O’odham Nation...

...The silos will not be repurposed but will remain on the site and could be used for projection art displays or other low intensity uses.

Train tracks that run across the site, which are no longer in use, will also be preserved.

PHX31 · #**11516** Posted **Oct 19, 2023, 5:15 PM**

This would be great to finally get the Mill developed and preserved. The northern end of Mill Avenue really needs something built next to Monti's (what is the plan there again? - just an empty lot now) as well as the Tempe Mission Palms hotel parking lot(s) to be developed (wasn't there a plan a some point?) to provide continuous development and good ped interest all the way to Tempe Beach Park. As it is, not much activity happens north of 3rd St and the light rail station with those dead zones in comparison to Mill Ave south of 3rd St.

ASU Diablo · #**11517** Posted **Oct 19, 2023, 5:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by PHX31

This would be great to finally get the Mill developed and preserved. The northern end of Mill Avenue really needs something built next to Monti's (what is the plan there again? - just an empty lot now) as well as the Tempe Mission Palms hotel parking lot(s) to be developed (wasn't there a plan a some point?) to provide continuous development and good ped interest all the way to Tempe Beach Park. As it is, not much activity happens north of 3rd St and the light rail station with those dead zones in comparison to Mill Ave south of 3rd St.

There is a proposed hotel next to the old Monti's. It was held up for a bit but last update from someone here said it was moving along and it was close. I think it was going to be a Hyatt brand?

muertecaza · #**11518** Posted **Oct 19, 2023, 5:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by PHX31

This would be great to finally get the Mill developed and preserved. The northern end of Mill Avenue really needs something built next to Monti's (what is the plan there again? - just an empty lot now) as well as the Tempe Mission Palms hotel parking lot(s) to be developed (wasn't there a plan a some point?) to provide continuous development and good ped interest all the way to Tempe Beach Park. As it is, not much activity happens north of 3rd St and the light rail station with those dead zones in comparison to Mill Ave south of 3rd St.

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Originally Posted by ASU Diablo

There is a proposed hotel next to the old Monti's. It was held up for a bit but last update from someone here said it was moving along and it was close. I think it was going to be a Hyatt brand?

FighteroftheNightman mentioned in 2022 that the triangle-shaped Mission Palms overflow lot was listed for sale in 2022. It doesn't seem to still be listed for sale, and it hasn't traded hands since 2017, so not sure what if anything is going on there.

On the 100 Mill hotel, yes, IndyAZ mentioned a few months back that the site was sold to Hyatt, which was going to develop the hotel itself, with a planned groundbreaking in 2024.

Definitely agree though that Mill Ave. kind of drops off at 3rd St. and would benefit from these projects being finished.

muertecaza · #**11519** Posted **Oct 26, 2023, 8:01 PM**

New proposal for the NWC of McClintock/Apache:

Very dense, and hopefully 7-story apartment schlock is the new 5-story apartment schlock. If this and the proposal on the SWC go forward, could be a very dense intersection.

BurjKhalifa2Builder · #**11520** Posted **Oct 27, 2023, 4:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by MiEncanto

I hope they do it right because downtown Tempe really needs a classy/fine dining restaurant. For whatever reason Tempe has struggled in this area. House of Tricks closing removed one of its few nicer places.

Cafe Boa is all there is left it feels like, and that's not even that upscale (love it though).