YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[owenf]

Hi! I was wondering what future destinations from YVR seem to be the most viable over the next few years or so? I really hope with Air Canada's new B78X order that we get more intercontinental capacity at YVR since we are still lagging behind 2019 Asia and Europe levels. Some ideas I had:

YVR-SGN on Vietnam Airlines - I heard somewhere that before the pandemic that Vietnam Airlines had applied for flights to Canada
YVR-BCN
YVR-FCO - both of these on Air Canada hopefully
YVR-DXB and YVR-ZRH - year round
YVR-DUB - year round (hopefully a reality with incoming a321xlr)

and an entry into the south american market as well

[thenoflyzone]

Cant' speak for other airlines, but as far as AC is concerned:

https://imgur.com/a/g83S87P

For YVR, AC has identified, in SE Asia: MNL and SGN. SIN is already loaded, and DXB will most likely go year round. I think they're just waiting to see how the flight performs. I understand 9 to 12 seats will be left open on the westbound flights from DXB to YVR. Eastbound flights are unrestricted.

Nothing else is identified in Europe or South America. Doesn't mean it can't happen, but it gives a good indication of what AC's plans are in the short to medium term.

MEL will most likely resume as well, before anything else is launched.

As far as the A321XLRs are concerned, again, there is nothing in that link above that suggests they will use them on intercontinental service from YVR. And again, doesn't mean it can't happen.

[nname]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Cant' speak for other airlines, but as far as AC is concerned:

https://imgur.com/a/g83S87P

For YVR, AC has identified, in SE Asia: MNL and SGN. SIN is already loaded, and DXB will most likely go year round. I think they're just waiting to see how the flight performs. I understand 9 to 12 seats will be left open on the westbound flights from DXB to YVR. Eastbound flights are unrestricted.

Nothing else is identified in Europe or South America. Doesn't mean it can't happen, but it gives a good indication of what AC's plans are in the short to medium term.

MEL will most likely resume as well, before anything else is launched.

As far as the A321XLRs are concerned, again, there is nothing in that link above that suggests they will use them on intercontinental service from YVR. And again, doesn't mean it can't happen.

YVR-DUB - EI have express interest of opening a second destination to Canada, so likely this can be either YUL or YVR. Maybe this is one of the 4 new narrowbody airline that's looking to start YUL you mentioned earlier?

YVR-ICN - YP had express interest to start YVR.

YVR-TPE - JX had express interest to start YVR, if, and as soon as bilateral with Taiwan is expanded and the airline is awarded with the new frequency. AC's Taiwan office (surprising they kept it open through the pandemic) had also expressed interest in resuming the service, but will not occur at least until W24 due to fleet constraint.

YVR-MEL - Both AC and MEL airport express interest in resume the route as early as W24, limited by fleet constraint.

YVR-CTS - Was identify by AC years ago, and is also listed on Airbus's website as one of the potential routes for XLR. Wonder if they put there just to lure AC's order, or had AC been talking to them about this...?

YVR-PEK and elsewhere China - These will resume/expanded as soon as both sides come to an agreement. What's known so far is Canada will likely force all the Chinese airlines to land in west coast or western Canada. So we'll likely see the YVR (and maybe YYC) service resuming first before all other routes from YYZ/YUL.

And of course, YVR-SGN and YVR-MNL mentioned by AC in recent presentation. In one of the interview with AC executive, AC is looking to build YVR as the 2nd biggest Pacific hub of any city/airline in North America, closely behind United at SFO.

[nname]

Minor change for AC HKG-YVR:

During Mar 2024, some of the HKG-YVR flights will be renumbered as AC14 instead of AC8. Outbound flight still operates as AC7. There is no schedule or equipment change.

I wonder why they are renumbering these flights though...

[ninjakafi_81]

Originally Posted by nname

And of course, YVR-SGN and YVR-MNL mentioned by AC in recent presentation. In one of the interview with AC executive, AC is looking to build YVR as the 2nd biggest Pacific hub of any city/airline in North America, closely behind United at SFO.

I did not know that, do you happen to have a link to that interview ?

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by nname

YVR-DUB - EI have express interest of opening a second destination to Canada, so likely this can be either YUL or YVR. Maybe this is one of the 4 new narrowbody airline that's looking to start YUL you mentioned earlier?

No they weren’t. I honestly don’t think EI will fly to YUL, now that AC is firmly established on the route. COVID and the A321LR delivery delays were convenient excuses for EI to cancel YUL before launch.

Originally Posted by nname

What's known so far is Canada will likely force all the Chinese airlines to land in west coast or western Canada.

Interesting. Didn’t know that. Any source on that?

[nname]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Interesting. Didn’t know that. Any source on that?

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/china-wa...bulence-despite-tour-group-ban-1.6535408

In May and June, Washington allowed Chinese airlines more flights to the U.S., reportedly in exchange for those routes avoiding Russian airspace. Becker said this prevents Chinese airlines from undercutting American competitors through faster, cheaper flights.

....

Both countries say they're in talks to increase the number of flights, with Ottawa hinting it might seek a deal similar to the U.S. arrangements with China.

Originally Posted by ninjakafi_81

I did not know that, do you happen to have a link to that interview ?

https://facebook.com/watch/live/?ref=watch_permalink&v=214661668290279

Info about routes staring from about 49min mark.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by nname

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/china-wa...bulence-despite-tour-group-ban-1.6535408

Ok. I see. Thanks. It does say "reportedly" though. All the Chinese carriers I see on FR24 from the US to China at the moment are flying over Russia. I'm not sure that restriction was imposed.

As for Canadian carriers, looking at it from purely a distance aspect, I think it's still doable from YYZ/YUL. We're seeing it with YVR-DXB, which is longer than YUL-PVG, for example.

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=yul-pvg%2C+yul-anc-nrt-pvg%2C+yvr-dxb%2C+yvr-bud-dxb&MS=wls&DU=nm

[nname]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Ok. I see. Thanks. It does say "reportedly" though. All the Chinese carriers I see on FR24 from the US to China at the moment are flying over Russia. I'm not sure that restriction was imposed.

Any of the original flights that were allowed under previous agreement during pandemic are still allowed to fly through Russia. All the new additional frequencies are not.

The ones allowed are:
2x weekly MU PVG-JFK
1x weekly CZ CAN-JFK

Plus I believe 5x weekly flights to LAX.

ALL of the additional flights added under this new agreement are added to/from LAX or SFO, with the exception of:
3x weekly CA PEK-JFK-LAX-PEK

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

As for Canadian carriers, looking at it from purely a distance aspect, I think it's still doable from YYZ/YUL. We're seeing it with YVR-DXB, which is longer than YUL-PVG, for example.

Still doable, but AC clearly stated that they will not going to do it.. and no other carrier is interested in flights to China.

As for Chinese carriers, they can still do it nonstop if they want. But since AC is only interested in daily YVR-PVG/PEK in the medium term and no other carrier is interested in anything, I don't see anything beyond 21x weekly would be granted. Since there are 7 Chinese carriers wanting to fly to Canada... each of them will probably gets 3x weekly. So would they choose an easier non-stop route to YVR, or fly one-way service like PEK-JFK-LAX-PEK, or split those frequency into 3 different routes??

Of course, the existing 1x weekly YYZ-PVG and YYZ-CAN will likely stay, unless Canada stop those from going over Russia too.

[stiffdeadman]

American announced Charlotte to Vancouver starting Jun.5. Doesn't say aircraft yet as it's not bookable. I'm guessing A321 since that's what they use to all other west coast destinations (SEA, PDX, SFO LAX, SAN)

[ned]

An out of towner here. I think Vancouver has a great airport with lots of destinations, a good looking interior and convenient access to downtown. And I see that the airport is consistently ranked high as well. The only thing I don't get is the south domestic security area to me seems pretty small and seems to really back up. Mind you, I was last there a year ago and I don't know what the other security checkpoints are like. Are there any plans to expand the south domestic security area in the future?

[whatnext]

This is unusual, I wonder what happened?

Power outage sends YVR Airport terminal into darkness
Kenneth Chan
Oct 13 2023, 4:10 pm

The terminal building of Vancouver International Airport (YVR) is experiencing a major power outage that first began shortly at approximately 3 pm Friday.

Photos submitted to Daily Hive Urbanized show dark interiors due to the outage, with passengers at the airport stating some airport operations appear to be impacted. Indoor illumination is currently reliant on natural daylight more than usual.

The terminal’s gates remain operational, and the real-time arrivals and departures information on YVR’s website currently suggests there have been no major impacts to flight operations.....

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-airport-yvr-power-outage

[casper]

Originally Posted by whatnext

This is unusual, I wonder what happened?

Power outage sends YVR Airport terminal into darkness
Kenneth Chan
Oct 13 2023, 4:10 pm

The terminal building of Vancouver International Airport (YVR) is experiencing a major power outage that first began shortly at approximately 3 pm Friday.

Photos submitted to Daily Hive Urbanized show dark interiors due to the outage, with passengers at the airport stating some airport operations appear to be impacted. Indoor illumination is currently reliant on natural daylight more than usual.

The terminal’s gates remain operational, and the real-time arrivals and departures information on YVR’s website currently suggests there have been no major impacts to flight operations.....

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-airport-yvr-power-outage

Good to see it is has not impacted operations.

However, deeply concerning. It looks like the coffee maker (at Starbucks) is not on emergency generator. Hopefully that is not a uniform problem across the entire airport.

Every place I have worked one of the coffee makes always makes it on the critical infrastructure list.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by stiffdeadman

American announced Charlotte to Vancouver starting Jun.5. Doesn't say aircraft yet as it's not bookable. I'm guessing A321 since that's what they use to all other west coast destinations (SEA, PDX, SFO LAX, SAN)

Not much info yet but at least can confirm it’s summer seasonal and daily according this article:

https://simpleflying.com/american-airlines-announces-seven-new-summer-2024-routes/

Beginning on June 5, American will fly nonstop from Charlotte Douglas International Airport to Vancouver International Airport, offering the flight during the summer.

All (announced) routes will have daily service

Vancouver will be served from three hubs in addition to Charlotte next June: Los Angeles, Dallas Forth Worth, and Chicago O'Hare.

[nname]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Not much info yet but at least can confirm it’s summer seasonal and daily according this article:

https://simpleflying.com/american-airlines-announces-seven-new-summer-2024-routes/

Beginning on June 5, American will fly nonstop from Charlotte Douglas International Airport to Vancouver International Airport, offering the flight during the summer.

All (announced) routes will have daily service

Vancouver will be served from three hubs in addition to Charlotte next June: Los Angeles, Dallas Forth Worth, and Chicago O'Hare.

Actually, the daily service was refer to the previous paragraph about Bermuda service. There is no mention of frequency for the Vancouver, and no mention if it's season or not (which most likely is)

Updated checkboxes... I already forgot which year this data was from now

✅ Los Angeles, California		809,828
✅ San Francisco/Oakland, California	493,228
✅ Hawaii, Hawaii			425,169
✅ Las Vegas, Nevada			352,479
✅ New York, New York			262,318
✅ Phoenix, Arizona			189,097
✅ Palm Springs, California		153,017
✅ Chicago, Illinois			130,087
✅ San Diego, California		123,260
✅ Dallas-Fort Worth, Texas		 91,316
✅ Denver, Colorado			 90,354
☑️ Orlando, Florida			 87,307
☑️ Boston, Massachusetts		 86,183
✅ Washington/Baltimore, DC		 85,630
✅ Portland, Oregon			 81,370
✅ Seattle/Tacoma, Washington		 74,190
✅ Houston, Texas			 65,642
✅ Atlanta, Georgia			 52,070
✅ Minneapolis-St. Paul, Minnesota	 49,560
✅ Sacramento, California		 49,560
✅ Miami, Florida			 48,394
❌ Fort Lauderdale, Florida		 48,059
✅ Salt Lake City, Utah			 43,730
   Philadelphia, Pennsylvania		 36,050
☑️ Austin, Texas			 32,330
❌ Detroit, Michigan			 31,810
☑️ Anchorage, Alaska			 26,830
   Tampa/St. Petersburg, Florida	 26,396
☑️ Nashville, Tennessee			 23,913
   New Orleans, Louisiana		 22,810
☑️ Charlotte, North Carolina		 21,890
   St. Louis, Missouri			 19,050
   Raleigh-Durham, North Carolina	 18,790
   Kansas City, Missouri		 16,430
   San Antonio, Texas			 15,000
   Indianapolis, Indiana		 14,740
   Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania		 14,670
   Cleveland, Ohio			 14,240
   Reno, Nevada				 12,650
   Columbus, Ohio			 11,670
   Cincinnati, Ohio		 	 11,270
   Hartford-Springfield, Connecticut	 11,130
   Fresno, California			 10,490

✅ Year-round, ☑️ Seasonal/Limited, ❌ Previously operated (2019)

Guess year-round MCO and BOS (with more than 1x weekly service), and some sort of service to PHL, DTW, TPA would be next?

[Johnny Aussie]

^ the article specifically mentioned for the summer - see my first quote.

I thought the daily mention was for all their new international services.


I guess we will have to wait until the schedules are actually loaded.

Yeah PHL and DTW (returning on DL) would be a good next step.

[nname]

Found more info about it.

CLT 1825 - 2115 YVR
YVR 2210 - 0627+1 CLT

June 5 to Sept 3, the same season as the current red-eye flight to DFW.

[trofirhen]

Charlotte is the head office of Bank of America, the second-largest banking centre in the USA after NYC, and home to seven Fortune 500 companies among many others.
The fact of AA inaugurating service (even seasonal) to YVR underscores Vancouver's growing economic presence. I hope it ultimately goes year-round. I think Charlotte is more a business than a tourist destination.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Charlotte is the head office of Bank of America, the second-largest banking centre in the USA after NYC, and home to seven Fortune 500 companies among many others.
The fact of AA inaugurating service (even seasonal) to YVR underscores Vancouver's growing economic presence. I hope it ultimately goes year-round. I think Charlotte is more a business than a tourist destination.

CLT is AA's second largest hub by daily departures, only behind DFW. On the YVR end, the flight will cater mostly to leisure traffic headed to the Southeastern US (mainly Florida) and the Caribbean. In the opposite direction, it'll be full of tourists to YVR.

Nothing business about it. The fact it is operating only 3 months out of the year, plus the flight times listed by nname make it pretty clear. If this route was about O&D, especially the business kind, it would have been daily (still not sure about this), year round, with more attractive timings, in the form of daytime departures both ways.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

CLT is AA's second largest hub by daily departures, only behind DFW. On the YVR end, the flight will cater mostly to leisure traffic headed to the Southeastern US (mainly Florida) and the Caribbean. In the opposite direction, it'll be full of tourists to YVR.

Nothing business about it. The fact it is operating only 3 months out of the year, plus the flight times listed by nname make it pretty clear. If this route was about O&D, especially the business kind, it would have been daily (still not sure about this), year round, with more attractive timings, in the form of daytime departures both ways.

I stand corrected.