Lloyd District News

[MarkDaMan]

Originally Posted by maccoinnich

...continues at the Portland Business Journal ($).

It would tickle me pleased if this plan gets off the ground, the developers make a ton of money, and AAT realized how bad they underestimated demand. Although I want more than anything for their super blocks to be developed to create a more urban Lloyd District.

[maccoinnich]

Design Advice Request submitted (via Portland Maps):

Central City Master Plan for redevelopment of the Lloyd Center into a high-density mixed-use neighborhood with a network of public open spaces, entertainment, offices and supporting retail

[urbanlife]

Originally Posted by maccoinnich

Design Advice Request submitted (via Portland Maps):

I either want to see Vancouver BC size highrises at this site or a MLB stadium with Vancouver BC size highrises.

[Bigtimecharlie]

Urbanlife, I’d love to see the very same thing happen. I’m not holding my breath. It’s just not the Portland way. I think it’s far more likely this project rolls out over 20 or so years with sporadic 6 story cookie cutter condo-ments being built here and there. The short, unimpressive buildings always get built first and often to the exclusion of the more impressive potentially statement making larger buildings.

As for the stadium, this town has been trying to build an MLB grade stadium since the 1960s. I’d love to see it finally happen and this location would be ideal. But even mentioning such a prospective project gets the nimbys, et al., out in force howling about the money, the location, the design, etc. I get the Portland Diamond Project has to keep its dealings under wraps, but it’s frustrating not knowing if they’re still in the game. I hope my kids live to see the day when there finally is a stadium built.

[DMH]

Originally Posted by Bigtimecharlie

Urbanlife, I’d love to see the very same thing happen. I’m not holding my breath. It’s just not the Portland way. I think it’s far more likely this project rolls out over 20 or so years with sporadic 6 story cookie cutter condo-ments being built here and there. The short, unimpressive buildings always get built first and often to the exclusion of the more impressive potentially statement making larger buildings.

As for the stadium, this town has been trying to build an MLB grade stadium since the 1960s. I’d love to see it finally happen and this location would be ideal. But even mentioning such a prospective project gets the nimbys, et al., out in force howling about the money, the location, the design, etc. I get the Portland Diamond Project has to keep its dealings under wraps, but it’s frustrating not knowing if they’re still in the game. I hope my kids live to see the day when there finally is a stadium built.

It all depends on the marketplace. We can't just dismiss the possibility of Vancouver-style glassy towers because it's not Portland's thing. The real estate market in Vancouver BC was greatly affected by changes in tax law during the late 1980s and early 1990s that encouraged condo construction over single family housing. As of a Feb 2023 report, one third of those tower condos are investor owned - not owner occupied. After 1997 the Chinese investor pressure exploded as folks fled Hong Kong to "stake out new digs in Vancouver. More recent investor interest in condo purchases appears to be driven by skyrocketing rents / higher profits. Portland's real estate market sees little effect similar to what happened in Vancouver.

[maccoinnich]

Lloyd Center Redevelopment Central City Master Plan is on the Design Commission agenda for 11/2.

[maccoinnich]

Design Advice Posting Notice for the Lloyd Center Redevelopment.

[PhillyPDX]

Originally Posted by maccoinnich

Design Advice Posting Notice for the Lloyd Center Redevelopment.

So does this mean all that legal stuff has been figured out regarding the theater, portion of mall, involving liens or whatever all that complication was (bankruptcy? I forget exactly…but it was complicated)?

[maccoinnich]

Originally Posted by PhillyPDX

So does this mean all that legal stuff has been figured out regarding the theater, portion of mall, involving liens or whatever all that complication was (bankruptcy? I forget exactly…but it was complicated)?

I would have to assume so. I can't believe they would be moving forward with a master plan that includes sites they don't control (or expect to control soon).

[2oh1]

It's interesting that they include the theater lot, but not the block between Holladay Park and the theater.

[PhillyPDX]

Originally Posted by 2oh1

It's interesting that they include the theater lot, but not the block between Holladay Park and the theater.

That already has that proposed Home Depot. Must be different property owners. You'd think they would look to buy/include that into the master plan.

[2oh1]

OH! Right! I completely forgot about that one.

[maccoinnich]

Lloyd Center Redevelopment DAR Drawings [15 MB].

[JWW31401]

Originally Posted by maccoinnich

Lloyd Center Redevelopment DAR Drawings [15 MB].

Thanks for the renderings, I like the idea of the 12th Avenue Promenade

[pdxsg34]

Love seeing the progress. Unfortunate the "home depot parking lot" lot isn't included. It also appears the "mega-sized" lots to the north are owned by a separate owner ("TMT Lloyd Retail Inc."), which owns the Safeway and defunct buffalo wild wings building. In a perfect world, TMT sells to someone who actually wants to make their lots better. Ditto with "Mosaic Portland Superblock LLC".

[PhillyPDX]

Originally Posted by JWW31401

Thanks for the renderings, I like the idea of the 12th Avenue Promenade

Overall I prefer the simplicity and intuitive nature or reestablishing the grid rather than trying to get cute with the traffic flow (although their plan is clearly significantly better than today). Since 12th street isn't really a through-bike route (too broken up outside this immediate area) I don't think there is as much advantage as they show.

Question for the history buffs: The 1940 aerials show open park blocks with pathways and maybe a French garden fronting Holladay Park? What is all that?

[urbanlife]

Originally Posted by maccoinnich

Lloyd Center Redevelopment DAR Drawings [15 MB].

It would be amazing to see the Lloyd Center and the Lloyd District turn into Portland's version of Battery Park City.

[DMH]

Originally Posted by urbanlife

It would be amazing to see the Lloyd Center and the Lloyd District turn into Portland's version of Battery Park City.

How interesting that you wish for that!

ZGF Architects created this draft master plan for Lloyd Center, but coincidentally in the early 1980's, ZGF was one of three selected firms for a design competition organized by the development company Olympia & York to design Battery Park City. Cesar Pelli's firm was ultimately selected for the Battery Park City project.

[urbanlife]

Originally Posted by DMH

How interesting that you wish for that!

ZGF Architects created this draft master plan for Lloyd Center, but coincidentally in the early 1980's, ZGF was one of three selected firms for a design competition organized by the development company Olympia & York to design Battery Park City. Cesar Pelli's firm was ultimately selected for the Battery Park City project.

That is cool, I never knew about ZGF submitting any design plans for Battery Park City. I wonder what their proposal looked like. They would definitely be a firm I would like seeing doing a project like that in Portland.

[DMH]

Originally Posted by urbanlife

That is cool, I never knew about ZGF submitting any design plans for Battery Park City. I wonder what their proposal looked like. They would definitely be a firm I would like seeing doing a project like that in Portland.

Well, something like that did happen....

Subsequently Olimpia & York got rights to develop 3 blocks north of Keller Auditorium. ZGF conceptualized buildings on those 3 blocks. Each tower was designed by a different ZGF partner. Ultimately only the Koin Tower was built. The other two blocks were sold off and developed later. Those blocks are the next blocks just north & east of Koin Tower.