noirish Los Angeles

[odinthor]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

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Yet another mystery location.

I happened upon this PHENOMENAL cabinet card on eBay about five days ago. The seller didn't denote the location but the seller's other photographs were mostly of Los Angeles
so I thought this one might be as well.



eBay

I love the large star above the entrance!



AND there are names on back!




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Just for fun, I tried to develop some information on the people listed, using the CDs and the newspapers a bit. Going by the data below, a year of ca. 1895 seems to fit.

In the order as above:

Mamie Ryan is what it says, but I think this was dressmaker Maggie Ryan, who lived with Julia Ryan at 451 S. Los Angeles in 1893-4-5-6-7, moving to 900 Temple in 1898, when Julia Ryan changed jobs to become a saleswoman (see below).

Anna/Annie McNiff, waitress Corfu (130½ S. Spring), residence corner Buena Vista and Temple (CD1891); waitress Abbotsford Inn, residing on the premises (CD1896).

Baker Too many bakers in town to figure this one out!

James Jacobson July 28, 1910, LA Herald, a bartender James Jacobson was involved in a brawl at 113 E. 1st St.; less likely, Sven J. Jacobson, watchmaker and jeweler, office 106 W. 2nd, residence Mitchell Place near Prospect Park, Boyle Heights, later 526 E. 6th, etc., was around for several years 1890-1924.

Candy Maker In 1895, a Frederick Griffin was listed as a candy maker at the Corfu, where (see above) Annie McNiff also worked; but in 1895, the CD lists no fewer than 19 candy makers in the city.

Grandma Haverstick probably Henrietta Haverstick, widow, 641 S. Spring (CD 1884)–741 S. Spring; (CD 1897); still there as a sub-lessor in March of 1901, refusing to leave and so being sued (LA Herald); alas she died May 26, “at 741 San Julian street,” age 83, acute gastritis (5/30/1901, LA Herald).

Bell Starke Mrs. Isabella Stark, waitress, 16 Church Lane (CD 1896), not listed 1895 or 1897.

Mrs. Myrtle Bechtle (Bechtel?), not listed anywhere, perhaps a sister of Luke D. Bechtel (his wife was Liza, who died March 16, 1895), who (a “clerk,” evidently a law-clerk) in 1891 resided at 321 S. Broadway, 1892–4, now attorney, residing at 118 S. Olive; 1895, moved to 1708 S. Grand; 1896, 837 Montreal.

Ollie Woolard Looks like Pollard, but: J.O. Woolard, clerk, 112 N. Spring, CD 1892; as John O. Woolard, still there in 1897; 1898, at 16 Church Lane; 1899, at 326 W. 2nd; 1901 waiter, living at 309 Temple; 1902, 321 California St., in ad testifying as to painless tooth extraction; 1903, selling his “good paying lunch counter” for $350 due to ill health, ev. at 461 S. Spring; 1905, transferring lot 2 of the Rudge Tract to Angeline J. Rudge; 1905, getting permitted to build a one-story, five-room frame residence at 1359 W. Fortieth St., his own residence being at 324 California St.; 1906, waiter, Cafe Bristol, living at 1359 W. 40th; 1907, waiter, living at 1256 E 21st; 1908, 1909 same; 1910, 1911, 1912, 1913 waiter, res. 2271 W. 16th; 1914, 1915 waiter, res. 515 1/2 W. 8th, also there Myrtle; 1918, still there; 1921, steward, back at 2271 W. 16th; 1922, dropped the "John" and is Ollie, steward, at 987 S. Catalina; 1923, 1924 "John" is back, same address; 1926, caterer, 989 1/2 S. Catalina; 1929, 1930 John & Myrtle at same; 1932, wife Maggie, with John O. Jr. West Gate Coffee Shop; 1936, still at Catalina; 1938, waiter, same address; 1939, 1940, 1941, 1942 same address.

Julia Ryan, waitress, 1892–7 at 451 S. Los Angeles; 1898, still there, but now “saleswoman Greenwood Baking Co.”; 1899, residing at 463 N. Los Angeles St., saleswoman for A.P. Bond; gone 1900.

Mr. Gardner Theo. A. Gardner; 1883, confectionary at 230 N. Main; 1886, same business address, residence in “LaDow dist."; 1887, business at 12 N. Spring, residence at “Western Av., nr Santa Monica RR”; 1888, had a restaurant (“ice cream and lunch parlors”) at 12 N. Fair Oaks in Pasadena; 1890, manager Keystone Ice Cream at 13 (113) N. Main, residence Western Ave 1/4 mile south of Santa Monica RR; 1892, business now at 112 N. Spring; 1895, residence “Western av, bet W. Santa Monica and W Vernon avs”; 1896, evidently dead, business being run by wife/widow (Agnes); 1899, she resided at 449 S. Hill, continuing 1900 and that’s where I stop. Very numerous ads/commercial mentions in the LA Times starting in 1882 (“First-class Confectionary and Ice Cream Parlor, Gardner’s, 36 Main street, under Grand Central Hotel”).

Stray Kid (ubiquitous)

[ethereal_reality]

Stunning research, odinthor.

Thanks for all your hard work.
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[GaylordWilshire]

Originally Posted by Snix

Dark noir alert!
Rachel Maddow was on CBS Sunday Morning today talking about her new book "Prequel: An American Fight Against Fascism".
She showed a picture of a Nazi affiliated bookstore in California. This "Aryan Book Store" seems to have moved around quite a bit, but I wonder what building this photo shows.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uocsL3kfvAg

The building has been lost under the freeway...

From the Times, April 23, 1934:

[stanklem]

What is being sold in the shop on the right? TREE TEA. Note the display with woman. Sign in front says Borden's. Milk? Ice cream? Is this a health food store.

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire

The building has been lost under the freeway...

From the Times, April 23, 1934:

[GaylordWilshire]

In the 1934 CD, 1006 W Washington is listed as the H. T. Chun market. Henry T. Chun was born in Korea.

[rick m]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

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Thanks HH!



Saucy mystery theater


Downtown Los Angeles / 300 Block Main or Broadway


eBay





Thanks for the all the information on the saucy Banner Theater, odinthor and Flyingwedge. I really appreciate it.


I love this potograph of the Banner Theater in 1983......(potograph haha)


American Classic Images website - via - losangelestheaters blog.

This was taken the year after I moved to L.A. I wish I had gone around and taken photographs of all these interesting places before they disappeared.
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A dozen years back-owners of Nickel Diner introduced me to a gay friend who'd managed the Banner in it's gay adult period-- He uncovered a ton of rolled movie posters of Thirties/Forties- though all were filched in a break-in--

[Martin Pal]

Originally Posted by stanklem

What is being sold in the shop on the right? TREE TEA. Note the display with woman.
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I noticed that, too. What is that woman doing? Looks rather provocative. Is she reaching down to another woman under her?

[Snix]

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire

The building has been lost under the freeway...

From the Times, April 23, 1934:

Thanks @gaylordwilshire for the address on Washington Blvd. Do you think that the picture below is a reverse angle of what was across the street?

I wonder if the building below is the Film Exchange Building (1925, L.A. Smith) that was on the Southeast corner of Vermont and Washington and demolished by LAUSD in 2014.
[img]
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watc...an-bookstore-in-los-angeles-150718021527[/img]

(WAHA Newsletter, May 2014)
https://westadamsheritage.org/sites/default/files/May_2014_News_FINAL.pdf

LAT 11/9/24

IS THIS the same building?

[ScottyB]

Originally Posted by odinthor

Just for fun, I tried to develop some information on the people listed, using the CDs and the newspapers a bit. Going by the data below, a year of ca. 1895 seems to fit.

In the order as above:

Mamie Ryan is what it says, but I think this was dressmaker Maggie Ryan, who lived with Julia Ryan at 451 S. Los Angeles in 1893-4-5-6-7, moving to 900 Temple in 1898, when Julia Ryan changed jobs to become a saleswoman (see below).

Anna/Annie McNiff, waitress Corfu (130½ S. Spring), residence corner Buena Vista and Temple (CD1891); waitress Abbotsford Inn, residing on the premises (CD1896).

Baker Too many bakers in town to figure this one out!

James Jacobson July 28, 1910, LA Herald, a bartender James Jacobson was involved in a brawl at 113 E. 1st St.; less likely, Sven J. Jacobson, watchmaker and jeweler, office 106 W. 2nd, residence Mitchell Place near Prospect Park, Boyle Heights, later 526 E. 6th, etc., was around for several years 1890-1924.

Candy Maker In 1895, a Frederick Griffin was listed as a candy maker at the Corfu, where (see above) Annie McNiff also worked; but in 1895, the CD lists no fewer than 19 candy makers in the city.

Grandma Haverstick probably Henrietta Haverstick, widow, 641 S. Spring (CD 1884)–741 S. Spring; (CD 1897); still there as a sub-lessor in March of 1901, refusing to leave and so being sued (LA Herald); alas she died May 26, “at 741 San Julian street,” age 83, acute gastritis (5/30/1901, LA Herald).

Bell Starke Mrs. Isabella Stark, waitress, 16 Church Lane (CD 1896), not listed 1895 or 1897.

Mrs. Myrtle Bechtle (Bechtel?), not listed anywhere, perhaps a sister of Luke D. Bechtel (his wife was Liza, who died March 16, 1895), who (a “clerk,” evidently a law-clerk) in 1891 resided at 321 S. Broadway, 1892–4, now attorney, residing at 118 S. Olive; 1895, moved to 1708 S. Grand; 1896, 837 Montreal.

Ollie Woolard Looks like Pollard, but: J.O. Woolard, clerk, 112 N. Spring, CD 1892; as John O. Woolard, still there in 1897; 1898, at 16 Church Lane; 1899, at 326 W. 2nd; 1901 waiter, living at 309 Temple; 1902, 321 California St., in ad testifying as to painless tooth extraction; 1903, selling his “good paying lunch counter” for $350 due to ill health, ev. at 461 S. Spring; 1905, transferring lot 2 of the Rudge Tract to Angeline J. Rudge; 1905, getting permitted to build a one-story, five-room frame residence at 1359 W. Fortieth St., his own residence being at 324 California St.; 1906, waiter, Cafe Bristol, living at 1359 W. 40th; 1907, waiter, living at 1256 E 21st; 1908, 1909 same; 1910, 1911, 1912, 1913 waiter, res. 2271 W. 16th; 1914, 1915 waiter, res. 515 1/2 W. 8th, also there Myrtle; 1918, still there; 1921, steward, back at 2271 W. 16th; 1922, dropped the "John" and is Ollie, steward, at 987 S. Catalina; 1923, 1924 "John" is back, same address; 1926, caterer, 989 1/2 S. Catalina; 1929, 1930 John & Myrtle at same; 1932, wife Maggie, with John O. Jr. West Gate Coffee Shop; 1936, still at Catalina; 1938, waiter, same address; 1939, 1940, 1941, 1942 same address.

Julia Ryan, waitress, 1892–7 at 451 S. Los Angeles; 1898, still there, but now “saleswoman Greenwood Baking Co.”; 1899, residing at 463 N. Los Angeles St., saleswoman for A.P. Bond; gone 1900.

Mr. Gardner Theo. A. Gardner; 1883, confectionary at 230 N. Main; 1886, same business address, residence in “LaDow dist."; 1887, business at 12 N. Spring, residence at “Western Av., nr Santa Monica RR”; 1888, had a restaurant (“ice cream and lunch parlors”) at 12 N. Fair Oaks in Pasadena; 1890, manager Keystone Ice Cream at 13 (113) N. Main, residence Western Ave 1/4 mile south of Santa Monica RR; 1892, business now at 112 N. Spring; 1895, residence “Western av, bet W. Santa Monica and W Vernon avs”; 1896, evidently dead, business being run by wife/widow (Agnes); 1899, she resided at 449 S. Hill, continuing 1900 and that’s where I stop. Very numerous ads/commercial mentions in the LA Times starting in 1882 (“First-class Confectionary and Ice Cream Parlor, Gardner’s, 36 Main street, under Grand Central Hotel”).

Stray Kid (ubiquitous)

Great stuff odinthor! Fun to imagine what life was like for them.

Could "James" be "Hans" Jacobsen? The first two letters of "Haverstick" seem a match (though the second stroke of the "H" of "Hans" didn't mark clearly).

[GaylordWilshire]

Originally Posted by Snix

Thanks @gaylordwilshire for the address on Washington Blvd. Do you think that the picture below is a reverse angle of what was across the street?

I wonder if the building below is the Film Exchange Building (1925, L.A. Smith) that was on the Southeast corner of Vermont and Washington and demolished by LAUSD in 2014.
[img]
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watc...an-bookstore-in-los-angeles-150718021527[/img]

(WAHA Newsletter, May 2014)
https://westadamsheritage.org/sites/default/files/May_2014_News_FINAL.pdf

LAT 11/9/24

IS THIS the same building?

The address I gave for the Nazi bookstore is 10-11 blocks east on Washington from the site of the Film Exchange Building. The pic with the two men was taken from the nwc of W 20th St and Vermont Ave toward the same side of the street as the Film Exchange--Universal was at 1960 S Vt and J Slipper,(theater supplies) was at 1968 S Vt. I'm guessing that the second of your pics shows the Vermont façade of the Film Exchange, the southerly end of which shows at left in the first pic. (I'm assuming that the FEB was architecturally altered by the time the second pic was taken.)


There is a remnant in the neighborhood across the Vermont corner from the site of the Film Exchange:





1600 W Washington-- there were once as many as 55 California Bank branches in LA--it became United California Bank ca 1961

[odinthor]

Originally Posted by ScottyB

Great stuff odinthor! Fun to imagine what life was like for them.

Could "James" be "Hans" Jacobsen? The first two letters of "Haverstick" seem a match (though the second stroke of the "H" of "Hans" didn't mark clearly).

ScottyB, you're absolutely right. In the 1897 CD, we have "Jacobsen, Hans C., cook, [for] Mrs. A.C. Gardner (obviously the Widow Gardner of the ice cream place, whose given name was Agnes), res[idence] 810 California," same in 1898/99 CDs, 1900-1901 CD cook, residence 705 Temple.; in the separate 1901 CD, oh what a change, he's the Mormon Rev. Hans C. Jacobson [sic], still residing at 705 Temple. In 1902, he's not Rev. anymore, but still at 705 Temple, and as Jacobsen & Woodland is running a bakery/restaurant at 112 N. Spring, the Woodland being one W. N. Woodland; 1904, his business is the restaurant on Spring, his home at 2816 S. Main; 1905-6-7-8, still restauranting at 112 N. Spring, now living at 137 W. 32nd; 1909, absent; 1910, absent, unless he's the teamster H. Jacobson living at 235 E. 2nd. At that I look no further in the CDs; and I'm not getting any hits in the newspapers.

Thanks!

I can add a little more on Ollie Woolard: Born July 10, 1876 in Darwin, Inyo County, California, died May 17, 1954, in L.A., and was buried at Rosedale. Was a member of the Knights Templar (or at least they were looking after his funeral services). He was "beloved brother of Estella Baxter, brother-in-law of Elbert Stephens" (LA Times 5/21/1954). He had married Myrtle Nellie Edith Stephens, of Nebraska, in L.A. on August 16, 1900; she died June 3, 1953; and there was a John Oliver Woolard Jr.

And Church Lane, at which Bell Starke lived in 1896, and Woolard at the same address (16) in 1898, was "a short alley east of Hill street between Third and Fourth" (LA Times, 3/26/1901).


LA Herald2/16/1891

[ethereal_reality]

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a mystery location.

Help me find the rather unusual Moyer Home. (or where it once stood)



Link

Windows must have been in short supply.


Via the writing on the back the home was located somewhere in Boyle Heights.





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[ethereal_reality]

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Next we have a mystery church.


eBay Link


Thankfully there are some excellent clues written on the back.




"On Fountain" is no doubt the best clue. .but where on Fountain Ave?


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[tovangar2]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

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"On Fountain" is no doubt the best clue. .but where on Fountain Ave?


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5433 Fountain.

I recall when the cathedral was rebuilt. It's traditional (apparently) to put up the shell and then leave it untouched for seven years before finishing it.

I think I read somewhere that Natalie Wood was a parishioner.


http://www.russianchurch.org/History/history.htm

[Lorendoc]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

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a mystery location.

Help me find the rather unusual Moyer Home. (or where it once stood)



Link

Windows must have been in short supply.


Via the writing on the back the home was located somewhere in Boyle Heights.





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It's probably "Meyer," not "Moyer." In the 1893 CD there are lots of Meyers. But only one seems to have a Boyle Heights address: Henry E., a winemaker, "res East Seventh nr Orphans' Home". The Orphans' Home was at 917 S. Boyle. (There was one Moyer family in the CD, Frank and Caroline, in the grocery business at 825 S Grand, res 831 S Olive.)

In the 1898 CD Henry Meyer was prosperous enough to merit his name being in all-caps, "winery, ns. E 7th, bet. L.A. river and S. Boyle av., r. same." Could the strange-looking house have something to do with wine production

[stanklem]

Could the building be an acessory building on the same site where the building(s) behind it are located. Note the alignment of the eaves of the building behind on each side of the accessory building.

To me the lack of windows imply a storage use. As an architect my first thought was that the second floor was an addition. Probably wrong.

Originally Posted by Lorendoc

It's probably "Meyer," not "Moyer." In the 1893 CD there are lots of Meyers. But only one seems to have a Boyle Heights address: Henry E., a winemaker, "res East Seventh nr Orphans' Home". The Orphans' Home was at 917 S. Boyle. (There was one Moyer family in the CD, Frank and Caroline, in the grocery business at 825 S Grand, res 831 S Olive.)

In the 1898 CD Henry Meyer was prosperous enough to merit his name being in all-caps, "winery, ns. E 7th, bet. L.A. river and S. Boyle av., r. same." Could the strange-looking house have something to do with wine production

[Martin Pal]

Originally Posted by tovangar2

5433 Fountain.

I recall when the cathedral was rebuilt. It's traditional (apparently) to put up the shell and then leave it untouched for seven years before finishing it.

I think I read somewhere that Natalie Wood was a parishioner.

http://www.russianchurch.org/History/history.htm
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Only because I thought this was amusing: I looked the address up on GSV to see where exactly this was (it's just east of the Hollywood Freeway) and this is what I first got: GSV Link

[ethereal_reality]

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What the heck is that thing?

Is anyone able to read the note on the windshield -


gsv

It's Greek to me.





Bel Lugosi's head.


I don't miss a thing.
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[ethereal_reality]

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Originally Posted by tovangar2

5433 Fountain.

I recall when the cathedral was rebuilt. It's traditional (apparently) to put up the shell and then leave it untouched for seven years before finishing it.

I think I read somewhere that Natalie Wood was a parishioner.


http://www.russianchurch.org/History/history.htm

Thanks for the information, T2. ..I hope everything is going well with you.


The eBay snapshot must be quite rare because I've looked all morning for another photograph of it to no avail.
I read through the history of the church via the link you provided and it left me with more questions than answers.

The church history begins with "At the end of 1929 there appeared an idea to have the second church in the city."
I'm guessing that the church in the photo is the first Russian Orthodox church in Los Angeles but there's no mention of it's location in the history provided.
(um. .perhaps it isn't mentioned because it's the same location as the current church. (as T2 stated) ...But what about the lack of photographs?



My kingdom for anyone who finds a second photograph of the church in the eBay photo.
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[HossC]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

What the heck is that thing?

Is anyone able to read the note on the windshield -


gsv

It's Greek to me.

I think it says something like:

I WORK FOR CHURCH
NO MONEY
NO GAS
NO JOB
NO FOOD
NO TICKET
PLEASE
KNOCK
ON DOOR