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Old Posted Aug 16, 2023, 4:54 PM
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I think the main reason I hate this is because the prior proposal was so much better. I don't think it's actively ugly in a vacuum. Like if they plopped this down on Broadway or something I would think it was pretty OK. But knowing what could have been in such a prominent location just kills me. And even just compared to Hemisfair Hotel next door it's a relative turd.
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Old Posted Aug 16, 2023, 7:39 PM
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I was never crazy about the taller one either. It looks like any building of the same height in any city. So in a way, I like this shorter one better because it's less visible. That's kinda sad, really. But as you said, it's OK, just not great.
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2023, 1:55 AM
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It's not even okay, it's just an outright slap in the face to plop such a generic building into a location like this.
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It's not even okay, it's just an outright slap in the face to plop such a generic building into a location like this.
For me, the problem is that it is not distinctive enough to be in that location nor is it "generic" in a way that would allow it to be a good gateway to the park. It is not the HIGHEST or best use of the site.
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Old Posted Aug 19, 2023, 9:54 PM
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There are a lot of online complaints of these buildings being too beige and the residential one out of place. I understand the city rather have something on this property to collect taxes on versus a large open park where they need to help pay off the new bonds for the Grand Hyatt.
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I'd rather just have the space empty. That way it would make it evident from the street that the "Great Lawn" is there, and is actually big enough to be great instead of just good. It would make it more of a public space too as a result.
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Old Posted Aug 21, 2023, 3:33 PM
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I'd rather just have the space empty. That way it would make it evident from the street that the "Great Lawn" is there, and is actually big enough to be great instead of just good. It would make it more of a public space too as a result.
I kinda agree with you here. When they initially spoke about the "Great Lawn", I was envisioning something like Discovery Green in Houston - something vastly different from what is actually planned.

If we can't have something outstanding at this spot, let's at least bank it as a park for right now.
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Old Posted Aug 21, 2023, 5:45 PM
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Well here it is - finally some actual details on that last building and I have to say I wasn't expecting this.. will hope to see some renderings pretty soon and see if it manages to integrate better in terms of design/ layout than what Post Lake has planned (shouldn't be difficult imo).

"It's a continuation of the firm's multifamily work in the area, following construction of The '68, a 151-unit building, in 2019. AREA Principal David Adelman told the Business Journal he's torn between branding the new project as an extension of The '68 or developing a new brand. His decision largely hinges on whether the park retains the Civic Park name or changes somewhere along the way...His firm is planning a 17-story building with 200 units, running the gamut from market rate to affordable, saying "people of all incomes can live there." There will also be a parking garage open to the public. He anticipates construction will cost between $75 million and $100 million."

"Like The '68 and other AREA projects, retail tenants will occupy the ground floor. It's too early to tell who exactly will sign those leases, but Adelman said it will likely be food and beverage and experiential retail. As more interest is generated in the Hemisfair area, new developments could make more sense for tenants that don't quite fit with the historic properties...After getting started in the summer of 2025, he expects the build to take 28 to 30 months. He wouldn't disclose how much of the project would be financed with debt versus equity, but said that he hoped the banking partner on The '68, Frost Bank, would support the process. He's also hopeful that the current challenges in the financial market and its effect on the real estate world will ease by that time."


https://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/news/2023/08/21/area-real-estate-hemisfair-apartments.html

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Awesome to hear. Can't wait to see the renderings.
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Call it The '69 Apartments LOL
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Old Posted Aug 22, 2023, 10:12 PM
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Can we switch the 17 story and 10 story building places?

That building on Market street needs to be taller. I take a 17 story and it be right next to the hotel at 17 and be a perfect park entrance. Sorry to beat a dead horse but it is destroying me to get a low rise in area that is screaming skyscraper.
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https://sanantonio.primegov.com/Portal/viewer?id=201757&type=2

Above is the most recent HDRC document regarding phase II of the civic park. These have more detailed schematics/ renderings for the source plaza and zocalo areas as well as a few up-close photos of the phase I work. Looks like phase II work begins right after the opening of the first phase this month.
Speaking of that opening - here are a few articles showing some preview photos of the park:

https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/hemisfair-park-water-18340899.php

https://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/news/2023/08/30/first-look-civic-park.html

https://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/p...vention-center-jazz-alive-ribbon-cutting
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Old Posted Sep 6, 2023, 1:15 PM
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Lame they had to remove the fountain (I assume it was too expensive), but still nice.
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Lame they had to remove the fountain (I assume it was too expensive), but still nice.
Just a random thought, but water preservation could be an issue too. You know: fountains spraying water into 106º air and evaporation blah blah blah...
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Old Posted Sep 6, 2023, 9:24 PM
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Just a random thought, but water preservation could be an issue too. You know: fountains spraying water into 106º air and evaporation blah blah blah...
The water for the park comes from reclaimed ground water that leaks into the basement of the convention center.
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Old Posted Sep 22, 2023, 8:21 AM
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Saw this in the SA Biz Journal today.

Local developer Zachry Hospitality has set a groundbreaking date for its Hemisfair hotel project.

The company — a division of construction firm Zachry Group — has indicated a Nov. 15 start date for what's tentatively called "Hemisfair Hotel," according to a filing with the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation. As previously reported, plans call for an 18-story, 200-room property that will be part of Hilton's upscale Curio Collection.

Construction is scheduled to wrap up in November 2025.
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Old Posted Sep 23, 2023, 9:38 PM
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Exclamation Civic Park Opens Early

The pieces are definitely there for something great.



As it stands right now the two ways to enter the park are from the stairs up Henry B. Gonzalez by the river level Confluence mosaic mural or directly from Hemisfair by Yanaguana or the Grotto. The old cobblestone plaza in front of UNAM has been fused with the new construction, although I thought in the long term some renders show the current space as green area. You would have no idea this garden of Eden exists driving down Market or Alamo.



There are signs to not stakeboard and keep the grass clean and treat it nicely, but I wonder where the soundstages are gonna go for the music acts next week for JazzSA. If it's anywhere on grass it will inevitably leave marks, and what about food booths? These sycamores are already starting to shed some leaves and I wonder how upkeep in having the Springs clear will go, or will the water be turned off in the winter season? A backpacker who was taking a snooze under a tree in the northwest corner of this space was woken up by security but allowed to rest. The water that constantly gurgles from the Springs is clean and surprisingly cool (no taste test today), and it all comes from the basement levels of old Convention. The sidewalks are clear of birdshit but how long will this last? Hopefully maintenance is as on top as they are with the rest of the park.

I did not find a water fountain with a dog bowl attachment which was an odd choice, as I imagine the petowners at the 68 Apartments will soon be using this space. The bathrooms are identical to what they have at Yanaguana, which are still an improvement to what they have currently next to the towers. The pathway has been completely redone and has much better lighting at night, but these lagoons stunk ten years ago and they still stink now, which is a pretty sharp contrast right now when you leave Civic Park and naturally gravitate to Tower. Somebody should tell the Egyptian Geese there's new digs to move into down the road. You might say the grass is greener...on the other side.

It is true: swing to the Alamodome side of tower and ask to go up to the bar and you pay nothing, just a slip of paper to show the attendant, but a single Jack and Coke extremely heavy on ice costs you a nice 15$ (which is a dollar less than the general admission for an adult). I was not carded which I thought was pretty hilarious, and I imagine if I just stayed on the elevator up to the observatory deck anyway it wouldn't have mattered, there are no security guards to ask questions on that level that I saw walking around. There was a slight delay of about ten minutes in getting the elevator up from the bottom to the bar to go up...

But the view...was...worth it.



Here is the album with the rest of the pics I snapped. I think once the rest of the complex gets finished the worried about the space being too small will go away, it was a nice size already and the future Curio Hotel/apartments will have an extended plaza space as well. Of course if I did it my way it would be nothing but lawns but...I digress...It does remind me of Discovery Green in front of George R. Brown Convention Center, and once the trees get a few years growth under them it will be a much more dramatic entry when you depart Alamo Plaza past the Torch following to the Tower.
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Old Posted Oct 2, 2023, 3:12 AM
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Hemisfair: where San Antonio meets.



It's such an incredible view with the Springs. Hats off to all parties involved in the creation of this beautiful space. Phase 2 that will connect the park to the main streets can't come sooner.


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Old Posted Oct 2, 2023, 1:23 PM
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^^ Looking good!

I don't know if I'd call it a great lawn, but it looks nice.
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The Nice Lawn.
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