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FEDCo approves having the Titans baseball team take over bookings for community groups looking to hold events at the stadium on Coventry, such as festivals and concerts.
Mayor Watson sees it as "win-win", because private sector has more incentive to hold events there. #OttCity

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Hope the Titans can succeed where many failed. And I really hope to see a Lansdowne type development around the stadium. Would be awesome to have a continuous urban form from the Vanier Parkway to St. Laurent, both sides of Conventry.
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Katz has his work cut out for him in Ottawa. It's going to be a much tougher nut to crack.

The Winnipeg Goldeyes took off because the timing was perfect... when they started, the only pro teams were the Jets and Bombers. There was a minor league basketball team that was going through its death rattles in 1994. So the Goldeyes were the only minor league team in town offering cheap tickets and a good time. Plus back in '94 there was still real excitement over baseball coming off the Jays' World Series wins. He carved out a bit of a niche in the sports market which he has held on to even as more teams were added in the market over the years.

Contrast that with Ottawa which has the NHL and CFL but also two junior hockey teams, the CPL, the CEBL and rugby. And I don't think minor league baseball is really the draw that it once was. So I think Katz will have a much rougher ride. I mean, he's a smart man, he must know this. But it will be interesting to see whether he can make it work.
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Katz has his work cut out for him in Ottawa. It's going to be a much tougher nut to crack.

The Winnipeg Goldeyes took off because the timing was perfect... when they started, the only pro teams were the Jets and Bombers. There was a minor league basketball team that was going through its death rattles in 1994. So the Goldeyes were the only minor league team in town offering cheap tickets and a good time. Plus back in '94 there was still real excitement over baseball coming off the Jays' World Series wins. He carved out a bit of a niche in the sports market which he has held on to even as more teams were added in the market over the years.

Contrast that with Ottawa which has the NHL and CFL but also two junior hockey teams, the CPL, the CEBL and rugby. And I don't think minor league baseball is really the draw that it once was. So I think Katz will have a much rougher ride. I mean, he's a smart man, he must know this. But it will be interesting to see whether he can make it work.
Fingers crossed. There were some promising signs with the Champions pre-pandemic, and he does have a few things going for him, not the least of which is an LRT station connected to the park. I also think that outdoor events are going to have an added attraction for many, with a good dose of pent up demand this year. Hope they get some good weather.
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I think the keys to success will be, cheap tickets advertising a fun day for individuals, families or whatnot without breaking the bank.

And now, booking the stadium for other events. Minor league baseball alone won't keep the stadium afloat, but they could do much more with potentially carnivals, corporate events, concerts or music (I believe a smaller Escapade was once held on the site), etc...
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Katz has his work cut out for him in Ottawa. It's going to be a much tougher nut to crack.

The Winnipeg Goldeyes took off because the timing was perfect... when they started, the only pro teams were the Jets and Bombers. There was a minor league basketball team that was going through its death rattles in 1994. So the Goldeyes were the only minor league team in town offering cheap tickets and a good time. Plus back in '94 there was still real excitement over baseball coming off the Jays' World Series wins. He carved out a bit of a niche in the sports market which he has held on to even as more teams were added in the market over the years.

Contrast that with Ottawa which has the NHL and CFL but also two junior hockey teams, the CPL, the CEBL and rugby. And I don't think minor league baseball is really the draw that it once was. So I think Katz will have a much rougher ride. I mean, he's a smart man, he must know this. But it will be interesting to see whether he can make it work.
Smart man? Did you mean con man?
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Smart man? Did you mean con man?
Haha, well, the two are not mutually exclusive!
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It’s time for residents to step up to the plate at Ottawa’s baseball stadium

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June 26, 2022
Planning, development and construction


January 2021 marked the beginning of a 10-year lease agreement between the City and Sam Katz of the Winnipeg Goldeyes and the Ottawa Sport and Entertainment Group. The short-term future looks bright for Ottawa’s baseball stadium as the Ottawa Titans are having a stellar inaugural season in the Frontier League. But what about the long-term future of the stadium? Many questions remain and we need Ottawa residents to help find answers.

The City is working with key stakeholders to develop a vision for the stadium that would result in more community use, both in and around the building. Meetings with some stakeholders have already taken place with more to come.

There are two ways residents can have their say right now about the future of Ottawa’s baseball stadium:
  1. Participate in an online Community and Information Session(link is external) happening on Tuesday, June 28 at 6 pm. Registration required. Share with us your short, medium, and long-term visions for the baseball stadium and its surrounding areas.
  2. Complete an online survey(link is external) soon, which can be found on The Ottawa Stadium Engage Ottawa page(link is external).

The goal of the visioning process is to find ways to make the stadium and its surrounding areas, more livable, inviting, and dynamic for people and families, while enhancing mobility, city life, and financial sustainability.

It’s your baseball stadium and we want to hear from you.

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Was at a Titans game last weekend, which was quite fun. The stadium is actually in pretty good shape, given the lack of investment these past few years. It's now in a great spot to bike to with the pedestrian bridge and new cycle lanes that go right to the stadium.

Concourses and the store looked in good shape. Didn't get into a box, but the lower level of boxes was full. My main request would be for some more shade over the second level, and they could definitely do more with the barbecue area out the left field line. The seats are a little faded, but still fine. It seems if they do get around to replacing them, they wouldn't need to replace all 10,000, as they aren't likely to need more than 3 or 4000 or so for this level of baseball.
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Was at a Titans game last weekend, which was quite fun. The stadium is actually in pretty good shape, given the lack of investment these past few years. It's now in a great spot to bike to with the pedestrian bridge and new cycle lanes that go right to the stadium.

Concourses and the store looked in good shape. Didn't get into a box, but the lower level of boxes was full. My main request would be for some more shade over the second level, and they could definitely do more with the barbecue area out the left field line. The seats are a little faded, but still fine. It seems if they do get around to replacing them, they wouldn't need to replace all 10,000, as they aren't likely to need more than 3 or 4000 or so for this level of baseball.
Do you think that the Titans have a decent attendance?
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Do you think that the Titans have a decent attendance?
I've only been to the one game so far, and attendance was likely a bit under 2000. Lots of kids, which was nice, and the first row of boxes was entirely full, so some positive signs. There were enough people to create a good atmosphere.

That said, I assume that they would like to be in the 2500-3000 range, so I would assume that they've got some work to do to build a fan base. They have been doing promotions and theme nights, so they may be getting more people those days than on regular days like the one I went to.
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I've only been to the one game so far, and attendance was likely a bit under 2000. Lots of kids, which was nice, and the first row of boxes was entirely full, so some positive signs. There were enough people to create a good atmosphere.

That said, I assume that they would like to be in the 2500-3000 range, so I would assume that they've got some work to do to build a fan base. They have been doing promotions and theme nights, so they may be getting more people those days than on regular days like the one I went to.
City should have a competition to redevelop the parking lot into a min-Lansdowne. Sell or lease the land. Just too bad they sold a huge chunk of parking 20 years ago for big box stores.
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City should have a competition to redevelop the parking lot into a min-Lansdowne. Sell or lease the land. Just too bad they sold a huge chunk of parking 20 years ago for big box stores.
For sure. Maybe the big box area will be ready to be redeveloped too at some point, but there is plenty of opportunity with the existing parking. It's right on the LRT, so it should be pretty desirable.
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Went to a game on Saturday. Attendance was just under 2,000. Here's the attendance stats for all 2022 games:

https://www.frontierleague.com/sport...iew=attendance

Quebec Capitales seem to have great attendance when we look at games we played down there, but I guess they don't have as much competition in that Market.

That said, game was fun. We won, which isn't always common in the Ottawa sports market Decent atmosphere. Took the train to and from, which is more expensive than driving, unfortunately. Going back home, the downtown bound platform at Tremblay had about two dozen patrons leaving the stadium, with trains every 8 minutes.

I wish OC had an "O" pylon at the foot of the Max Keeping bridge on the stadium side to advertise the option as I doubt that many people know you can catch the train only a short walk away.
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On a more sour note, my wife and I wanted to take a bike ride along the Rideau River the other day. We weren't going to bike through hostile stroads in the old east end, so we drove to the Baseball Stadium (cause taking transit would have been about $15).

We get there, parking might have eight to twelve cars parked. $7 to park. Cheaper than transit, but it got me thinking; we have this huge empty parking lot across a pedestrian bridge from an O-Train station. The parking lot is barely used outside baseball games and "freedom" convoys, the bridge is barely used... ever, and same story with the O-Train station. Meanwhile, suburbanites are given acres upon acres of free parking to access transit, when their bus service is better than that of the urban area. So why do they get free parking, and we don't? Why does the city insist on squandering the potential of a vast City owned parking, the $12 million Max Keeping Bridge and a station that likely cost about the same? Would it not make sense to offer this parking lot as a free park and ride to better utilize the infrastructure we built?

Note - I don't think any of the park and rides should be free. They should all come with a minimal charge, even if it's $2 a day or $20 a month, but if they are free in the burbs, why not the inner-Greenbelt?
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On a more sour note, my wife and I wanted to take a bike ride along the Rideau River the other day. We weren't going to bike through hostile stroads in the old east end, so we drove to the Baseball Stadium (cause taking transit would have been about $15).

We get there, parking might have eight to twelve cars parked. $7 to park. Cheaper than transit, but it got me thinking; we have this huge empty parking lot across a pedestrian bridge from an O-Train station. The parking lot is barely used outside baseball games and "freedom" convoys, the bridge is barely used... ever, and same story with the O-Train station. Meanwhile, suburbanites are given acres upon acres of free parking to access transit, when their bus service is better than that of the urban area. So why do they get free parking, and we don't? Why does the city insist on squandering the potential of a vast City owned parking, the $12 million Max Keeping Bridge and a station that likely cost about the same? Would it not make sense to offer this parking lot as a free park and ride to better utilize the infrastructure we built?

Note - I don't think any of the park and rides should be free. They should all come with a minimal charge, even if it's $2 a day or $20 a month, but if they are free in the burbs, why not the inner-Greenbelt?
Good question. I have no idea how many people would use a park and ride in that location rather than driving, but even if it puts a few more people on transit, why not? As you said, outside of game days it is largely empty, which makes it an under-used municipal asset.

I kind of suspect that the team gets the revenue from the parking, as the parking is part of their lease, but I could be wrong.

Wrong thread, but I was just in Montreal and essentially all of the downtown metro stations are free on weekends. The metro was really busy everywhere we went, much busier than the New York subway where we were the week before. Clearly the incentive to transit is working like a charm. Not sure why Ottawa is so timid about using incentives like that, even if it was free parking.
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Anyone have an OBJ subscription? Anything short of a Lansdownification is doomed to fail.

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September 21, 2023


The owners of the Ottawa Titans are delivering their own version of a changeup at the professional baseball team’s ballpark – in the form of a major makeover of Ottawa Stadium. The independent Frontier League franchise announced last week it was preparing to launch the next phase of its 10-year plan to revitalize the east-end […]
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I don’t have a subscription, but I’m glad to see this happening. The Titans are a relaxed, budget friendly sports option. I think they can make the game day more appealing with the types of changes mentioned. They’ve got lots of extra seats to work with, so why not turn some into a beer garden, sun deck, kids area etc. Trying to compete with Lansdowne wouldn’t make much sense, and they would lose their market niche.
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Titans pitching new uses for Ottawa Stadium as renovations at city-owned ballpark continue

David Sali, OBJ
September 21, 2023 4:28 PM ET


The owners of the Ottawa Titans are delivering their own version of a changeup at the professional baseball team’s ballpark – in the form of a major makeover of Ottawa Stadium. The independent Frontier League franchise announced last week it was preparing to launch the next phase of its 10-year plan to revitalize the east-end park, which opened in 1993 as the home of the Montreal Expos’ Triple-A affiliate, the Ottawa Lynx. The Lynx left town in 2007 after 15 seasons at the stadium on Coventry Road. While a number of teams in various leagues have called the park home since then, upgrades to the fan experience have been few and far between – as the owners of the Titans found out when they signed a 10-year deal to lease the facility from the city in 2020. “Despite doing a tour, you never really know what condition things are in,” says Regan Katz, the club’s vice-president and chief operating officer. “It’s a building that just celebrated its 30th anniversary. Unfortunately, it looked its age.” Katz said the Titans have already made a “substantial investment” to modernize the city-owned facility – for example, giving it a new paint job, repairing sections of its concrete infrastructure and doing various other touch-ups.

But the real work has just begun. The club is completely rebuilding the third-floor suites for the 2024 season, for example, tearing out a wall to replace two smaller rooms with a new, 40-person suite and giving a full refresh to nine other suites, which will each have a capacity of 16 people. Down the road, the club aims to revamp the stadium’s second floor, which originally had 23 private suites that have been closed in recent years after falling into a state of “disrepair,” as Katz put it. Initial plans call for fewer than half that number of suites on the renovated second level as the team looks to provide more spacious amenities.

And in an effort to attract casual fans who are as much into socializing as watching the action on the diamond, the Titans also plan to tear out some of the outfield seats along the first- and third-base lines and replace them with “patio decks” – which Katz describes as open areas for “standing and mingling” with others. Katz says the team will gauge fan interest in the spaces before determining their size, but he envisions areas with a capacity of between 50 and 150 people suitable for events such as corporate gatherings and family get-togethers. The changes will be rolled out over the next several years, with the second-floor suites likely to be next up on the docket.

Other upgrades include the Hop Yard, a “meet-and-greet area” along the third-base line that opened this past season where fans could sit at picnic tables and sample suds from local craft breweries Beau’s, Stray Dog and Vimy. The cost of the renovations is approaching the million-dollar mark, with much more to come, Katz says. “It’s certainly a lot more (money) than was anticipated when we started the process,” he adds. Still, the veteran baseball executive is optimistic that the changes will generate more buzz at the turnstiles in the coming seasons.

Home attendance at Titans games jumped from an average of about 1,200 in the team’s inaugural season in 2022 to just under 1,600 this year, as a total of more than 81,000 fans made their way to the ballpark over 51 home dates.

Katz says the club is aiming to draw an average of at least 2,000 fans next season, which would put it solidly in the middle of the pack in the 16-team Frontier League’s attendance rankings. “Overall, we’re quite pleased with the growth that we’ve seen,” he says. “I feel like we’ve climbed the hill a fair bit and made some great strides. It’s just a matter of spreading the word.” Even still, the park sits empty more than 300 days a year. Titans majority owner Sam Katz and his business partners at the Ottawa Sports and Entertainment Group are hoping to change that by attracting more non-baseball events such as concerts.

Regan Katz says the club has stepped up its effort to extol the park’s virtues to music promoters. The stadium hosted a concert earlier this year and will be the site of a hip-hop festival next month, but Katz says the Titans have received “many, many inquiries regarding the opportunities at the venue for future years” and expect the park to host more than a dozen non-baseball events in 2024. The stadium’s 10,300-seat capacity – by far the largest in the Frontier League – is both a blessing and a curse, Katz explains. “The park was built too large for the Lynx. It was too large for every team that followed and it still has too many seats for what we’re seeking to accomplish,” he says. “On the positive side, its size attracts a lot of outside baseball opportunities, which is part of our business model.” Katz believes the owners of previous teams that occupied the stadium didn’t really grasp its potential as a multi-use facility. “This venue has been off the map for events that were not baseball for pretty much its entire existence,” he says. “We now have those inquiries coming for various festivals and concerts and other shows that would fit our size of venue. It’s become a big part of our plan and our efforts to try and get (the stadium) back on the map and show off what it’s capable of.

“The sky’s the limit for opportunities. It’s just a matter of locking some in and then trying to find those annual events that can make sure that it stays an attraction point.” In a further drive to boost revenues, the Titans are seeking a new naming rights partner for the stadium to replace the previous rights-holder, Raymond Chabot Grant Thornton. “We’ve had plenty of dialogue with plenty of potential (sponsors),” Katz says. “We have not put anything to paper yet.” Two years into the Titans’ existence, the ownership group remains confident it can succeed where past franchises have failed. “We absolutely believe in our model,” Katz says. “Based on our first two years here, there’s no question there’s space for (professional baseball) in Ottawa. It’s had ups and downs as any new start does, but I certainly feel like we’re on the right path.”

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Does the team own the land or just the stadium? They should look at building some rental towers on site. It's a decent location, central, easy access to Riverside/Vanier Parkway and the 417, across the bridge from VIA and Tremblay LRT station and walking distance to trainyards & St-Laurent (even though they're not necessarily pleasant walks).

Could help generate revenues and better utilize the site. Maybe giving residents yearly passes or X amount of free games per year could help drive up attendance, the crowd and food & bev sales.
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Thanks for posting rocketphish! Sounds like they are investing a lot in the stadium and they are serious about making this work. Interesting that they are doing all of this without asking the City for funding (as far as I can tell), unlike OSEG at Lansdowne (who are also involved in baseball).

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I don’t have a subscription, but I’m glad to see this happening. The Titans are a relaxed, budget friendly sports option. I think they can make the game day more appealing with the types of changes mentioned. They’ve got lots of extra seats to work with, so why not turn some into a beer garden, sun deck, kids area etc. Trying to compete with Lansdowne wouldn’t make much sense, and they would lose their market niche.
It wouldn't necessarily be about competing with Lansdowne. It's more about making the experience better for fans by having something to do before and after the game, and bringing more people closer, thus building a built-in fan base. I could see two point towers on podiums with a wide plaza in the middle where two or three restaurant patios would spill over. Add a small grocery store and a few other services. A mini-Lansdowne residential and entertainment district that's actually accessible by transit.

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Does the team own the land or just the stadium? They should look at building some rental towers on site. It's a decent location, central, easy access to Riverside/Vanier Parkway and the 417, across the bridge from VIA and Tremblay LRT station and walking distance to trainyards & St-Laurent (even though they're not necessarily pleasant walks).

Could help generate revenues and better utilize the site. Maybe giving residents yearly passes or X amount of free games per year could help drive up attendance, the crowd and food & bev sales.
The City owns the stadium and adjacent parking lot. The City also once owned the land where Canadian Tire and Best Buy are today, but made the mistake of selling out a couple decades ago.

But yes, as per the above, I agree we should develop that parking lot into a small stadium district.
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