Metro Vancouver Road Infrastructure Discussion

[madog222]

Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

According ICBC's "Learn to Drive Smart" guide, the circular concrete planters used in residential neighborhoods, typically where you'd often see a 4-way stop, are "Traffic Circles", while the larger lane-controlled circular intersections are "Roundabouts".

It's important to distinguish between the two, because the rules are different. When there's a traffic conflict, you have to yield to the person on the right in a traffic circle (just like at an uncontrolled intersection), while in a roundabout you have to yield to the person on your left (i.e., "traffic already in the circle")

In both one yields to traffic already inside the circle. The difference is that in a traffic circle IF two vehicles arrive at the same time they yield to the right; roundabouts are big enough that traffic arriving at the same time the would never be in conflict.
If Vehicle A arrives to a traffic circle slightly before and to the left of Vehicle B Vehicle A has right of way.

[flipper316]

Random laying in bed thought. Man they really gotta raise the limit on 17. I was doing 110 ish in the right lane couple nights ago around 8 pm. Dude in front in some VW SUV must've been doing like 140 from 80th to 99. It was totally fine .

[logicbomb]

Originally Posted by flipper316

Random laying in bed thought. Man they really gotta raise the limit on 17. I was doing 110 ish in the right lane couple nights ago around 8 pm. Dude in front in some VW SUV must've been doing like 140 from 80th to 99. It was totally fine .

I was a proponent of higher speed limits some 10 years ago but the quality of driving in this region has gone straight down the drain. I do not trust many drivers going over 100km/hr here. The trucks are a major concern on the route too.

[logicbomb]

Took another drive through Surrey and Langley. This roads have gone to absolute ****. A lot of it seems to be due to underground work with new developments and the contractors are now doing the absolute bare minimum to restore the roads back to the point it was prior. 208 Avenue has literal coarse asphalt all over the place from paving that was was done 2 weeks ago...The road is really bumpy and uneven.

[jollyburger]

Another truck trying to mate with an overpass.

https://twitter.com/MillerCapilano4/...218270/photo/1



It's strange the overpass signs have 4.41m/4.52m. Website is 4.32/4.32

And then 4.44 and 4.52. Website is 4.35/4.31

You assume they use the website and don't rely on the signs.

And from Google Maps there's noticeable damage on that overpass from previous hits with exposed rebar.

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

It's strange the overpass signs have 4.41m/4.52m. Website is 4.32/4.32

The clearance changes with the tide...

[MIPS]

It's a weirdly low flyover. All the other bridges along the route are at least a meter taller.
It's also the first overpass once you are over the Ironworkers Memorial so again it's probably a driver who didn't measure his load height before taking his route.

[Tvisforme]

Originally Posted by MIPS

....It's also the first overpass once you are over the Ironworkers Memorial so again it's probably a driver who didn't measure his load height before taking his route.

That's possible, one note, the driver was eastbound heading towards the IWM.

[jollyburger]

It was a wide load so maybe he was encroaching the left lane. I thought it might be useful to just stick a metal bar at that height before the overpass as a final notice that you're about to do something dumb.

[MIPS]

Originally Posted by Tvisforme

That's possible, one note, the driver was eastbound heading towards the IWM.

My bad. Got myself turned around in the photos.

Originally Posted by jollyburger

I thought it might be useful to just stick a metal bar at that height before the overpass as a final notice that you're about to do something dumb.

The famous 11-foot-8 Bridge did that because of chronic collisions. Ultimately they couldn't stop the stupid after adding new signage, new signals and a flashing warning sign so they spent millions raising the bridge and regrading the railway.

I put the blame on the MOT/ICBC for being too light-handed on commercial drivers. Signage, over-height detection equipment and crash bars only works so well but it all costs money that technically should not need to be spent because the topic of "Knowing your Load" is part of the test for becoming a commercial driver. The rest comes down on the absolute lack of reprimand for drivers and trucking companies who don't care because whatever, insurance will cover it.

Grimly put, unruly operators are disposable compared to the cost of repairs and replacement of road infrastructure.

[MIPS]

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[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by MIPS

My bad. Got myself turned around in the photos.

The famous 11-foot-8 Bridge did that because of chronic collisions. Ultimately they couldn't stop the stupid after adding new signage, new signals and a flashing warning sign so they spent millions raising the bridge and regrading the railway.

I guess smashing into an over height warning bar could also become a hazard with a large metal bar flying into traffic. I was thinking of having it placed well in advance of the overpass.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

I guess smashing into an over height warning bar could also become a hazard with a large metal bar flying into traffic. I was thinking of having it placed well in advance of the overpass.

Would it be a crazy idea to have at every onramp the mall parking lot height restriction bar with the height of the lowest clearance between that onramp and the next offramp? Surely replacing one of those must be cheaper than repairing underpasses every couple of months. It's probably a little useless to indicate underpass clearance once you're already on the highway...

[MIPS]

In a surprising twist that again makes me point at the drivers being dumb as potatoes, the driver decided the best course of action was to flee.

Transport truck driver who hit overpass in North Vancouver missing: police
A bewildering update has been provided by North Vancouver RCMP regarding a collision between a transport truck and an overpass.

The collision took place around 7 p.m. Tuesday on Highway 1 at the Main Street overpass.

When Mounties arrived at the location, it became quickly apparent the driver had fled the scene of the crash.

“At this point, the driver is still outstanding and his identity remains unknown,” Const. Mansoor Sahak said.

“Police have followed up with the owner of the transport truck and have issued them a violation ticket for fail to remain at the scene of accident.”

Police said Wednesday morning the company of the transport truck is not complying with the investigation.

https://globalnews.ca/news/9973630/t...river-missing/

Would it be a crazy idea to have at every onramp the mall parking lot height restriction bar with the height of the lowest clearance between that onramp and the next offramp?

Yes. There is a standard minimum height established by Highways that has been in place for decades. Likewise older spans that fail to meet this standard are marked for routing oversized or overheight traffic. It is the responsibility of the driver to clear their preferred route prior to departure.
An exponential increase in the number of strikes in five years indicates the measures in place are being ignored, rather than being substandard.

Also those height bars are designed for smaller and slower objects. A bucket truck going 50 will send it flying.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by MIPS

Also those height bars are designed for smaller and slower objects. A bucket truck going 50 will send it flying.

That's exactly the point.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by chowhou

Would it be a crazy idea to have at every onramp the mall parking lot height restriction bar with the height of the lowest clearance between that onramp and the next offramp? Surely replacing one of those must be cheaper than repairing underpasses every couple of months. It's probably a little useless to indicate underpass clearance once you're already on the highway...

Only problem is that this the only East bound clearance issue from Whistler to the IWM bridge.

I guess they should at least stick one at the truck stops and force all trucks carrying non-standard loads to run through it.

Strange that the RCMP chose not to disclose the name of the company when the name is clearly visible on the side of the truck.

https://www.whistlercourier.com/

[madog222]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

Strange that the RCMP chose not to disclose the name of the company when the name is clearly visible on the side of the truck.

https://www.whistlercourier.com/

Not strange at all, they have no reason to.

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by chowhou

Would it be a crazy idea to have at every onramp the mall parking lot height restriction bar with the height of the lowest clearance between that onramp and the next offramp? Surely replacing one of those must be cheaper than repairing underpasses every couple of months. It's probably a little useless to indicate underpass clearance once you're already on the highway...

They wouldn't even notice it. Trucks aren't exactly quiet, and hitting a bar like this well behind the cab would be unnoticeable.

[jollyburger]

In the meantime, all of the company's licences have been suspended pending further investigation that will include a safety audit, noted the minister.

“It will send a message to this industry,” he said. “It will impact this company significantly. They will be doing no business for some time.”

Const Mansoor Sahak, said they chose to issue the ticket to the truck’s owner in lieu of the driver because the company has not been forthcoming about who was at the wheel.

“We don't know who it is and we're not getting details from the owner of the company,” he said.

https://www.nsnews.com/highlights/tr...r-says-7576738

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

these companies need to be find 6 figures/hit or more than this. this is absolutely unacceptable. its insane. these drivers need to have their licenses taken for good from them for these hits. there is no excuse for hitting a stationary object that has been there for decades. NONE.

if these companies wont help with the investigation, they should be fined daily for the failure and then their permit to operate taken for good if they dont comply within 30days.

no more being nice to these people.