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[OrdoSeclorum]

Originally Posted by marothisu

2022 ACS came out the other day (1 year). While I take it with a big grain of salt, here's where Chicago (the city) stacks up against literally every place in America for increases of each racial group from 2021 to 2022

- Hispanic population: #2 in America
- Mixed Race population: #2
- Asian population: #4
- White (non Hispanic): 2nd to last place
- Black: last place (aka lost the most)
- Other: last place
- Native Hawaiian/American Indian: #17

The Census estimated that more non Hispanic white people moved out of the city than Black people moved. of course, take the ACS with a grain of salt but still interesting. There was 41,000 reduction of White non-Hispanic but 45,000 gain in Hispanic, Asian, and Mixed Race population.

If it's easy, I'd also be interested in knowing which cities lost and gained the most numbers of White and Black resident.

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by OrdoSeclorum

If it's easy, I'd also be interested in knowing which cities lost and gained the most numbers of White and Black resident.

NYC and Chicago are bottom 2 for both...lost the most. But NYC also lost a ton of Hispanic people and the most of any city . Apparently.

[OrdoSeclorum]

Originally Posted by marothisu

NYC and Chicago are bottom 2 for both...lost the most. But NYC also lost a ton of Hispanic people and the most of any city . Apparently.

Thanks for doing this. Interesting. I wonder how much of Chicago's white loss are retirees? Baby boom generation is probably at a peak retirement age right about now.

[galleyfox]

Originally Posted by OrdoSeclorum

Thanks for doing this. Interesting. I wonder how much of Chicago's white loss are retirees? Baby boom generation is probably at a peak retirement age right about now.

My impression is that the white loss is primarily in the Northwest and Southwest bungalow belt neighborhoods.


There’s definitely a loss of white parents and children, along with a good chunk of people about to retire.

The household incomes of the people leaving seem too low for the Lincoln Park/Lakeview area. And there’s quite a lot of single mothers among them.

Together with strong Hispanic and Asian growth, several of whom have good incomes…

I would imagine there’s a major demographic transition underway in Jefferson Park, Dunning, Belmont Cragin, Bridgeport ,ect.

White parents wanting to transfer to a suburban school, selling to Hispanic and Asian families using the proceeds from the housing appreciation of the past few years.





Ages 0-19: -13,159
Ages 20-34: -1,466
Ages 35-54: -17,484
Ages 55+: -7,950



Married Household

2021: 158,426
2022: 149,719

Female Household

2021: 25,465
2022: 18,671

Non-family Household - Lives Alone

2021: 260,591
2022: 269,630

Non-family Household - Roommates

2021: 70,077
2022: 69,598

[Chisouthside]

The city figure of migrants coming in by bus from texas is around 13,500 since last year but i suspect the number to be much higher. Probably migrants arriving here on their own.
Bridgeport for sure I have noticed more Venezuelans(not just the ones staying at the police station on halsted), South Asian and even Middle Eastern people.
Also I'm very chatty with my uber drivers and ive noticed ive had ukranian, turkish and algerian uber drivers tell me they all live or moved recently to Bridgeport. Obviously we dont have hard data yet but from my experience i do believe theres some significant churn going on right now at least in BP and the general area.

[galleyfox]

Originally Posted by Chisouthside

The city figure of migrants coming in by bus from texas is around 13,500 since last year but i suspect the number to be much higher. Probably migrants arriving here on their own.
Bridgeport for sure I have noticed more Venezuelans(not just the ones staying at the police station on halsted), South Asian and even Middle Eastern people.
Also I'm very chatty with my uber drivers and ive noticed ive had ukranian, turkish and algerian uber drivers tell me they all live or moved recently to Bridgeport. Obviously we dont have hard data yet but from my experience i do believe theres some significant churn going on right now at least in BP and the general area.

There’s a recent series of articles following a migrant family by the Tribune.

I’m under the impression that the father is the only one who officially passed through Chicago’s shelter system. But five other family members came later by Amtrak via Denver, and I don’t see when Chicago would have included them in the official tally.

They’ve ended up living in Englewood, and my Uber driver for 4th of July was telling me about the large Hispanic influx into Englewood near her old home.

The family of five — Yolexi, Fabián, his mother Esperanza and his two younger siblings — have been in the city since mid-July, when they walked through Chicago’s Union Station after traveling more than two days from El Paso by bus and train. Their overland trip from Maracaibo, Venezuela, took 52 days.

“Little by little, we’re learning to adjust to life in Chicago. But there’s just so much to do,” Esperanza said in Spanish.

They’ve settled on the second floor of a house in Englewood with Hugo Sánchez, the younger children’s father, who arrived last October from Venezuela. But it hasn’t been easy.

52 days on the road: A migrant family’s desperate journey to Chicago
https://www.chicagotribune.com/immig...htmlstory.html

Born in the USA: Venezuelan mother gives birth
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...eb4-story.html

[twister244]

Well.... This is one way to bring our population numbers up........

[Chisouthside]

Originally Posted by galleyfox

There’s a recent series of articles following a migrant family by the Tribune.

I’m under the impression that the father is the only one who officially passed through Chicago’s shelter system. But five other family members came later by Amtrak via Denver, and I don’t see when Chicago would have included them in the official tally.

They’ve ended up living in Englewood, and my Uber driver for 4th of July was telling me about the large Hispanic influx into Englewood near her old home.




52 days on the road: A migrant family’s desperate journey to Chicago
https://www.chicagotribune.com/immig...htmlstory.html

Born in the USA: Venezuelan mother gives birth
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...eb4-story.html

thanks, will take a read!

I also recently had an uber driver working under someone else's account also from Venezuela, who told me him and his girlfriend had initially settled in miami but due to the cost of living they came here. and also living in englewood. I know there was already alot of mexicans moving to west englewood but this other surge seems to be centered around venezuelans.

[galleyfox]

It’s a bit wild to see Texas-like numbers suddenly appearing in Chicago’s Hispanic household estimates.

Households with a Hispanic Householder

Chicago

2022: 260,927
2021: 244,664
2019: 231,394
2018: 230,411
2017: 218,636
2016: 224,226
2015: 221,248
2014: 220,364
2013: 211,457
2012: 209,162
2011: 209,527

2021-2022: +16,263
2019-2021: +13,270
2018-2019: +993
2017-2018: +11,775
2016-2017: -5,590
2015-2016: +2,978
2014-2015: +894
2013-2014: +8,907
2012-2013: +2,295
2011-2012: -365


Houston

2022: 353,597
2021: 334,267
2019: 319,471
2018: 303,258
2017: 291,299
2016: 311,344
2015: 297,541
2014: 289,993
2013: 276,726
2012: 260,228
2011: 257,799

2021-2022: +19,330
2019-2021: +14,796
2018-2019: +16,213
2017-2018: +11,959
2016-2017: -20,045
2015-2016: +13,803
2014-2015: +7,548
2013-2014: +13,267
2012-2013: +16,498
2011-2012: +2,429

[Handro]

Originally Posted by galleyfox

There’s a recent series of articles following a migrant family by the Tribune.

I’m under the impression that the father is the only one who officially passed through Chicago’s shelter system. But five other family members came later by Amtrak via Denver, and I don’t see when Chicago would have included them in the official tally.

They’ve ended up living in Englewood, and my Uber driver for 4th of July was telling me about the large Hispanic influx into Englewood near her old home.




52 days on the road: A migrant family’s desperate journey to Chicago
https://www.chicagotribune.com/immig...htmlstory.html

Born in the USA: Venezuelan mother gives birth
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...eb4-story.html

So much like the story of other immigrant groups arrive en masse during the 19th century. If Englewood is gaining a center of gravity for the migrants as it loses more black population there could be a pronounced demographic shift on the 2030 census.

We need all the immigrants we can get. The city is fumbling this golden opportunity right now by not getting these people a foundation for a successful life here more quickly. Now the latest is that they are paying $29m for these dumb tent cities to the same company that Florida is using to ship migrants all over the country... can't make this up.

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by Handro

So much like the story of other immigrant groups arrive en masse during the 19th century. If Englewood is gaining a center of gravity for the migrants as it loses more black population there could be a pronounced demographic shift on the 2030 census.

We need all the immigrants we can get. The city is fumbling this golden opportunity right now by not getting these people a foundation for a successful life here more quickly. Now the latest is that they are paying $29m for these dumb tent cities to the same company that Florida is using to ship migrants all over the country... can't make this up.

How exactly is the CITY fumbling that? They have nothing to do with the fact that the federal government's process for asylum seekers is they cannot get EAD for MINIMUM of 180 days (6 months) AFTER filing an application for the permit The city has literally nothing to do with that - it's a federal rule/law.

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/r...-asylum/asylum

To apply for an Employment Authorization Document (EAD) based on your pending asylum application under the (c)(8) category, you may file a Form I-765, Application for Employment Authorization, 150 days after you file your asylum application. You are not eligible to receive an EAD until your asylum application has been pending for at least another 30 days, for a total of 180 days, commonly referred to as the 180-Day Asylum EAD Clock.

And as the spouse of someone who was on H1B and green card (and very very recently became a citizen), I'll tell you that if you think you are magically going to get EAD right away after this then I have about 500,000 swamps to sell you.

I can't tell if you just want to blame the city or you just didn't bother to educate yourself about how this works at the federal (USCIS) level. All the city can do is basically give them places to stay, and if they want give them legal aid and money (if they really wanted to, obviously that's a whole different story).



The whole thing is bullshit. Part of my mom's side came here under situations that would have made them refugees but they didn't have refugee status back then. My great grandma, great uncles and aunt fled on foot for months across Europe after 200 people in their town were murdered, including their neighbors, and their house burned down. They had nothing and came to this country and guess what? The federal government didn't block them from being able to work. They were able to work right away. So I'm sorry to tell you but the city has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that USCIS makes it extremely hard for anyone (even Visa holders) to be here and support themselves.

[SIGSEGV]

and with the stroke of a pen...

[marothisu]

https://apnews.com/article/biden-imm...5f420001248b06

[ChiMIchael]

I'm kinda glad I'm hearing this side the the migrant issue because the people at my job are P-I-S-S-E-D. In a nutshell, they don't like having the compete with the migrants for resources.

[twister244]

Originally Posted by ChiMIchael

I'm kinda glad I'm hearing this side the the migrant issue because the people at my job are P-I-S-S-E-D. In a nutshell, they don't like having the compete with the migrants for resources.

My beef is the the entire bureaucratic process and how convoluted it has become over the past century. On one hand, I don't think we should be ok with hundreds of thousands of people just pouring across the border, then leaving it to local officials to figure it out. That just creates headaches for everyone, and feeds criticisms coming from the right. We are seeing this right now with massive budget shortfalls being fueled by the migrant crisis. It's a problem that has been dumped on the doorstep of major cities. All this is doing is pissing people off on both sides of the aisle.

On the other hand, immigration can be very healthy, as the very existence of the Chicago Hot Dog shows..... I would much rather have a streamlined efficient process that takes advantage of new technologies and massive data mining to help expedite the process of determining who exactly is coming across the border.

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by twister244

My beef is the the entire bureaucratic process and how convoluted it has become over the past century. On one hand, I don't think we should be ok with hundreds of thousands of people just pouring across the border, then leaving it to local officials to figure it out. That just creates headaches for everyone, and feeds criticisms coming from the right. We are seeing this right now with massive budget shortfalls being fueled by the migrant crisis. It's a problem that has been dumped on the doorstep of major cities. All this is doing is pissing people off on both sides of the aisle.

On the other hand, immigration can be very healthy, as the very existence of the Chicago Hot Dog shows..... I would much rather have a streamlined efficient process that takes advantage of new technologies and massive data mining to help expedite the process of determining who exactly is coming across the border.

In reality this is nothing new. LOADS of immigrants poured into especially NYC in thr late 19th and early 20th centuries. The attitude towards them was not much different than today. Lower East Side in Manhattan used to be a German enclave - and many Jews but they were more middle and upper class. Most of them moved to Upper East Side or Bronx, with similar attitudes we see today from some people today. They didn't want to be around it and many opposed it pretty much. In the long run, the outcome of that immigration did a ton for the US but it wasn't apparent right away as many people immigrating were dirt.poor and uneducated (like my family). There is a whole history on this and even steeped in prejudice and why wr have immigration quotas today, and a lot more.

The difference is that the US and local governments didn't tell them they had to wait to work. Most, like my family, could work.right away.

But I do agree it puts stress on local governments and isn't good but this is the result of decades old federal government work permit policy

[twister244]

All good points..... And it's not like Chicago doesn't have the room to accommodate people. Shit, if anything, In the long run, this could be something to spark some rejuvenation in parts of the South side. The thought of having a South American cultural enclave embedded somewhere on the South side sounds like a really cool thing. We have a sizeable Mexican presence across parts of the city, but (correct me if I'm wrong), there isn't nearly a S. American presence here.

[galleyfox]

Originally Posted by twister244

On the other hand, immigration can be very healthy, as the very existence of the Chicago Hot Dog shows..... I would much rather have a streamlined efficient process that takes advantage of new technologies and massive data mining to help expedite the process of determining who exactly is coming across the border.

Legal immigration to the U.S. has become borderline impossible over the past few years. I’ve even seen wealthy company owners get denied, it’s so bad. And yet, most of the country is at record low unemployment rates, with some areas losing population.

Water flows downhill. Air fills the vacuum.

We can hardly be shocked that otherwise normal people from a collapsing country think the dangerous journey is worth it under the current circumstances.

My most radical opinion is that American immigration has been running too low for almost a century, and a lot of the country’s pathologies are linked to that.

There hasn’t been enough immigration from the usual entry ports to make it far past the coast to areas that need people, or for communities to establish themselves in more affordable areas.

This country has forgotten what real growth looks like.

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by twister244

All good points..... And it's not like Chicago doesn't have the room to accommodate people. Shit, if anything, In the long run, this could be something to spark some rejuvenation in parts of the South side. The thought of having a South American cultural enclave embedded somewhere on the South side sounds like a really cool thing. We have a sizeable Mexican presence across parts of the city, but (correct me if I'm wrong), there isn't nearly a S. American presence here.

Honestly, I have no problems with it. I feel a personal connection to these refugees. My family escaped and survived literal mass murder in their town, their house getting burned down 3 times, and also getting bombed in a field by the army. And also sleeping in hollow graves during winter to evade capture and sleeping in thr barns of farmers who secretly took them (and many others like my family in) just so they could walk to another country to get on a boat to come to the US. Because this was better than what they were subjected to where they were living. This is not much different than what's going on with some of these refugees in essence. The difference is my.family was from Europe. There was shit along their way -- some in the federal government used people like my family as an example of "dirty, poor uneducated people" to call for immigration quotas and stop letting people in. Well guess what? Out of that part of my family came many successful business owners, doctors, lawyers, etc. Even a UN ambassador to multiple central and South American countries came out of this side of my family. They came here with almost $0 - just a dream to escape from the violence where they came.from. And they were able to get on their feet because the fucking federal government didn't block them for months or years on end to legally work. Unlike what's happening for decades.

My wife came.to America a decade or.so ago and is now a citizen. I work with and employ many people here on visa or green card. The federal government makes it near impossible for anyone to even be here. We are a capitalist country and yet people cry at "immigrants stealing my job." Sorry but if you are for capitalism then you have no reason to bitch about that part.

But the key thing is our attitudes to immigration and federal policy has put unnecessary strain on local governments and other organizations to foot a bill because they cannot even legally work for literal months and potentially over a year or 2.

[moorhosj1]

Another reason to question the Census year-to-year population figures. The number of students in CPS has grown this year compared to last year. This is the first increase since the 2011-12 school year.

New preliminary numbers for this school year show just over 322,500 students are registered at CPS schools. The data represents enrollment as of the end of the day Monday, the 20th day of the school year, when the district traditionally takes its official count. On the 20th day of last school year, 322,106 students were enrolled according to official data.

Seems like we can thank our new migrant friends. Can't wait for West Englewood to turn into a legit Venezuelan neighborhood.

According to preliminary enrollment data analyzed by Chalkbeat, there are 5,767 more students learning English as a new language this school year than last year. That’s a sizable jump: CPS has historically enrolled an average of 3,000 new English learners annually, a district spokesperson said.