Calgary International Airport II

[Alexcaban]

Originally Posted by hehehe

If there's no FRA this winter would WS bump up Euro capacity? It's not like FRA was a badly performing route...a lot of people would be affected I'd assume.

There will still be a Frankfurt it’s just going to be operated by Eurowings.

[hehehe]

Originally Posted by Calfan12

I could see (possibly) Calgary YYC - Paris CDG on WestJet go from 3x weekly to 4/5 x weekly. Will see?

But other than that, with Air Canada suspending YYC - Frankfurt FRA

YYC Winter 2023 Europe flights :
Air Canada London Heathrow LHR,7x weekly
WestJet London Heatherow LHR , 7x weekly
WestJet Paris CDG, 3x weekly
KLM Amsterdam, 7x weekly

Eurowings Frankfurt FRA, 3x weekly from October 30?

I'd hope that it's 7x weekly on Eurowings...going from daily AC service to 3x weekly leisure carrier service is horrid.

[hollywoodcory]

4Y appears to be 6x weekly over the winter, and up to daily next summer.

Also WS already increased CDG to 4x weekly during December and March/April when they released their winter schedule.

[Zmonkey]

Originally Posted by Calfan12

Yep , good points!

With WestJet continuing to build up its mega hub at Calgary YYC. Air Canada is having trouble competing with WestJet & ULCC Lynx, Porter & Flair at YYC✅!

Plus WestJet definitely could use some more Boeing 787’s for its long haul flight operations at YYC. The WestJet fleet info on -Wikipedia, (it saids WestJet still has 2 orders for the Boeing 787-9 plane ✈️). Currently they have 7.

Those were cancelled. WestJet has all of there deliveries of 787. This was done when they put in there large order for 737's this year. No more wide bodies coming to WestJet as of current plans.

The last two were actually produced and fitted for Westjet and Boeing has been trying to sell them. The new buyer would have to retrofit to their standards which hasn't happned yet.

[hollywoodcory]

The AC suspension appears to be year-round, not just for the winter.

4Y is now scheduled year-round 6x weekly in the winter and 12x weekly in the summer.

[Calfan12]

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory

4Y appears to be 6x weekly over the winter, and up to daily next summer.

Also WS already increased CDG to 4x weekly during December and March/April when they released their winter schedule.

Thanks for the update.

Calgary YYC Europe flights ✈️,this upcoming Winter ❄️ season: up to 30x weekly.
Air Canada YYC- London LHR, 7x weekly
WestJet YYC- London LHR, 7x weekly
WestJet YYC- Paris CDG , 3/4x weekly
KLM YYC - Amsterdam AMS, 7x weekly
Eurowings YYC - Frankfurt FRA, 6x weekly.

[outoftheice]

Originally Posted by Calfan12

Yep , good points!

With WestJet continuing to build up its mega hub at Calgary YYC. Air Canada is having trouble competing with WestJet & ULCC Lynx, Porter & Flair at YYC✅!

Plus WestJet definitely could use some more Boeing 787’s for its long haul flight operations at YYC. The WestJet fleet info on -Wikipedia, (it saids WestJet still has 2 orders for the Boeing 787-9 plane ✈️). Currently they have 7.

I'd honestly say it has less to do with AC being unable to compete with WestJet and more the fact that AC is creating competitive roadblocks for itself. I know it sounds like PR fluff to blame these moves on a lack of planes and pilots but that is most definitely the case and AC has refused to order more planes or pay more to attract pilots. Until they realize they need to spend the money to do both, they're going to be bleeding operational potential and to stop the bleeding they are going to need to make cuts. They can't afford to cut YVR, YYZ or YUL.and create openings for Global competitors so they'll cut YYC because they know it's already the focus of their main competitor.

[nname]

Originally Posted by outoftheice

AC has refused to order more planes or pay more to attract pilots.

They did have more planes in order. Just that the A220 have engine reliability issues and the A321XLR had been delayed. Plus the fact that travel demand bounce back much quicker than expected on both the Atlantic and Pacific sides... so they just don't have enough capacity to handle the demand until summer 2025 at least.

It's not like you can just order more planes and get it and start using them the next month. If they order now, they probably won't get them until the latter half of this decade?

[hehehe]

Woah AC is down to 28 flights a day this winter.

[msmariner]

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory

The AC suspension appears to be year-round, not just for the winter.

4Y is now scheduled year-round 6x weekly in the winter and 12x weekly in the summer.

Sad to see AC exiting YYC. But having Eurowings take up the slack is good on my mind. 12 weekly next summer is great (same as this summer?? AC & Eurowing combined?). Has there ever been a European carrier with multiple daily flights into YYC?

[Calfan12]

Originally Posted by msmariner

Sad to see AC exiting YYC. But having Eurowings take up the slack is good on my mind. 12 weekly next summer is great (same as this summer?? AC & Eurowing combined?). Has there ever been a European carrier with multiple daily flights into YYC?

Yes & few years ago when the Covid 19 pandemic restrictions started to ease up in Canada to allow for more International flights✈️.

KLM had 2 flights through Calgary, their daily Amsterdam AMS to Calgary YYC nonstop & along with a 2/3x weekly (circle route) doing AMS-YYC-Edmonton YEG-AMS. All on the KLM Airbus A330.

[hehehe]

Originally Posted by msmariner

Sad to see AC exiting YYC. But having Eurowings take up the slack is good on my mind. 12 weekly next summer is great (same as this summer?? AC & Eurowing combined?). Has there ever been a European carrier with multiple daily flights into YYC?

Looks like after after December Eurowings goes down to 5x weekly from 6x weekly.

[FormerWingTipper]

Originally Posted by msmariner

Has there ever been a European carrier with multiple daily flights into YYC?

Eurowings isn't multiple daily yet... a lot can change from now to next summer.

Monarch Airlines used to have a flight from London-Gatwick and a flight from Manchester arrive and depart 40min apart for their ski charters that operated twice weekly. Always fun with 600+ pax arriving and departing at once, each with a ski/snowboard bag, a boot bag, and a regular suitcase. The Canada Customs Oversized Baggage Area was always a zoo when the flights landed at basically the same time, as was oversized baggage screening for when they departed back to England. Checkin used to stretch for a long ways as the busses arrived one after the other all at once.

If I am not mistaken, Thomas Cook Airlines also operated from Glasgow, Manchester, and London-Gatwick, and at its' peak I think they had up to two flights a day, as if memory serves me correctly LGW was 4 weekly, MAN was 3 weekly, and GLA was 2 weekly (some continued to YVR).

[Canadian74]

It’s a pretty significant downgrade in the hard product between eurowings and AC even in Y.

I wonder how the elite FFs are going to respond as from my understanding YYC-FRA did good in the premium cabins?

I remember at peak a few years ago Lufthansa used to operate daily with the A330 with F, along with daily AC A330.
BA also operated 4 class 772s at one point before downgrading to the 763 if I’m not mistaken?

Why has all the premium demand dried up at YYC?

[FormerWingTipper]

Originally Posted by Canadian74

I wonder how the elite FFs are going to respond as from my understanding YYC-FRA did good in the premium cabins?

^^^ THIS ^^^

It is important to remember that although Eurowings is a subsidiary of LH, Eurowings is NOT a Star Alliance member and AC Elite (which equals Star Alliance Silver / Gold) benefits will not apply in many cases.

[hollywoodcory]

Originally Posted by Canadian74

I wonder how the elite FFs are going to respond as from my understanding YYC-FRA did good in the premium cabins?

In addition to the internal email, they sent a message to YYC FF about the changes too.

Additionally, effective October 30, our flights between Calgary and Frankfurt will now be serviced non‑stop by a Lufthansa Group airline, maintaining the same connectivity to Lufthansa’s global network. You will continue to be eligible for Aeroplan earning and redemption, access to Air Canada Maple Leaf Lounges, and Concierge services in both Calgary and Frankfurt when choosing this destination.

We will proactively accommodate all customers impacted by these bookings and they will hear from us about alternative travel options, re-routing through other airports, or the choice of a full refund.

As a frequent traveller of YYC routes, we want you to know that Air Canada remains committed to Calgary. By far, we will still be YYC’s second largest airline, offering as many as 10,000 seats daily, in addition to the thousands of seats offered by our partners United and Lufthansa. Together, every day, we continue to connect you to our Canadian, U.S., and international network

.

Interesting that the email says "Lufthansa group airline" and won't outright name them.

[YYCFlier]

Originally Posted by Canadian74

Why has all the premium demand dried up at YYC?

It hasn't. It's just that AC is reclaiming that frame to FRA to shore up their hubs on other routes and feels that's more important. AC is running 789s on leisure transborder markets (LAS, PHX) to YYZ. FRA is an important business route, and I can see a lot of TATL premium travel bleeding over to KLM.

[Canadian74]

Originally Posted by YYCFlier

It hasn't. It's just that AC is reclaiming that frame to FRA to shore up their hubs on other routes and feels that's more important. AC is running 789s on leisure transborder markets (LAS, PHX) to YYZ. FRA is an important business route, and I can see a lot of TATL premium travel bleeding over to KLM.

Maybe it opens the door for LH mainline to return with the 789.

[outoftheice]

Anyone know if/when these winter flights to FRA will be bookable on the Eurowings Discover website?

[msmariner]

Originally Posted by outoftheice

Anyone know if/when these winter flights to FRA will be bookable on the Eurowings Discover website?

I looked for S24 and they are on their booking page