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Old Posted Aug 30, 2023, 4:38 PM
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Just imagine the abundance of choice we would have with privatized liquor sales...
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Old Posted Aug 30, 2023, 5:10 PM
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Just imagine the abundance of choice we would have with privatized liquor sales...
For me the more important bit about privatized liquor sales isn't who I ultimately buy it from. I really don't care for the most part. I object to the distribution and pricing model that currently exists.

If stores were able to make their own supply decisions and the government wasn't the only supplier permitted, that would go a long way to making the system better. The other two pieces are the excessive tax regime and the puritan public drinking laws, but one piece at a time.
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Old Posted Aug 31, 2023, 4:40 AM
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Just imagine the abundance of choice we would have with privatized liquor sales...
When I lived in Seattle, they switched from state-run liquor stores to privatized liquor sales and the actual selection went way down. Prices went down slightly, but you mostly find the standard selection everywhere now. Surprisingly, the old state stores had an extensive catalog of worldwide liquor/wine choices that could be ordered.
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Old Posted Aug 31, 2023, 12:03 PM
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Just imagine the abundance of choice we would have with privatized liquor sales...
Sask. privatized it's liquor stores. I really don't see much of a change in either price or selection when I'm there.
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Old Posted Aug 31, 2023, 6:00 PM
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I don't think that going private would change much on the short run. It would be that plus the shift to businesses being able to source stuff themselves that would eventually lead to better selection and prices. At the very least it would allow for businesses to be independently more responsive to what their customers want. Aside from the legal drinking age, it would be good if liquor sales were pretty substantially deregulated, same with weed. Maybe a small excise tax, that's it.
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Old Posted Aug 31, 2023, 6:48 PM
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In Quebec liquor is privatized and the profit margins from selling alcohol is the biggest reason corner stores have been able to stay afloat rather than succumbing to Loblaws monopoly. If privatization means more corner stores in areas like Osborne and St. Boniface then sign me tf up.

Maybe we can get ultimate grocery stores that sell both liquor and cannabis (Besides superstore atleast)
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Old Posted Aug 31, 2023, 7:25 PM
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In Quebec liquor is privatized and the profit margins from selling alcohol is the biggest reason corner stores have been able to stay afloat rather than succumbing to Loblaws monopoly. If privatization means more corner stores in areas like Osborne and St. Boniface then sign me tf up.

Maybe we can get ultimate grocery stores that sell both liquor and cannabis (Besides superstore atleast)
My — is a ton of smaller scale operators not unlike depanneurs and little corner groceries are enabled to make things work. These are the types of amenities that really enhance the liveability of neighbourhoods. I guess I would hope that deregulation would allow for these smaller operators to thrive in the already good areas. Sure some corporate players would be there, but if we set up the smaller businesses to succeed in this industry, that would be fantastic.

Sigh...
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Old Posted Aug 31, 2023, 7:38 PM
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My — is a ton of smaller scale operators not unlike depanneurs and little corner groceries are enabled to make things work. These are the types of amenities that really enhance the liveability of neighbourhoods. I guess I would hope that deregulation would allow for these smaller operators to thrive in the already good areas. Sure some corporate players would be there, but if we set up the smaller businesses to succeed in this industry, that would be fantastic.

Sigh...
What you're talking about is what Strong Towns Winnipeg advocates for. Small-scale, locally owned businesses within neighbourhoods and other small-small, locally owned developments.

Steve Snyder is the head of Strong Towns Winnipeg. He's around here on this forum sometimes. If you're interested in getting invloved, you can email Steve for more info at [email protected].
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Old Posted Aug 31, 2023, 7:43 PM
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Here's an update on some of the major projects under construction/in pre-development in Osborne Village. It's very exciting to see so much multi-family and mixed-use development going on at once!
In addition to these projects, there's also a number of lots that look like they will get redeveloped soon. Here are the ones I'm guessing will get redeveloped first:

-145 Osborne St (was a City owned lot that was put up for sale awhile ago)
-320 River Ave (vacant lot up for sale right now)
-406 Wardlaw Ave (vacant lot)
-421 Gertrude Ave (large surface parking lot)
-424 Gertrude Ave (small surface parking lot)

Anyone want to place any bets on which one will get redeveloped first haha.
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Old Posted Sep 7, 2023, 8:54 PM
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Old Posted Sep 8, 2023, 1:36 AM
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They want to make Osborne a more neighborhood and pedestrian friendly street that has less cars yet on Osborne they still want to have street parking during off peak hours instead of bike lanes???



Oh my god y’all we’re widening the sidewalk by a whole half a metre and added a table in the section drawing to showcase a half-assed patio this is clearly revolutionary design and urban planning. Osborne is gonna be soooooo pedestrian friendly. Ignore the lack of trees it’s not like our second class res… I mean um pedestrians need any sort of shading or weather protection in Winnipeg’s very friendly climate.

As far as I’m concerned this document is pure —. They talk about “reducing parking” and “implementing parking maximums” but then give this joke of a design. Even when I’m gone this damn city gives me a reason to be pissed off smh. I guarantee this will do nothing to curb traffic congestion and the street will remain as unpleasant as ever during rush hours.

Also, using Bloor St as the case study is ridiculous. Bloor has a subway running underneath the street to reduce traffic congestion. I didn’t know Osborne is getting a Subway line as well? The bike lane on Bloor is super uncomfortable to ride on based on personal experience especially with how dangerous the intersections are on Bloor and how narrow the bike lane is because they just can’t help themselves with keeping on-street parking. It is a subpar precedent for Osborne.

Is it really so hard to close Osborne St to cars and just redirect traffic to Pembina, River, and Stradbrook? If it were up to me I’d make Osborne Street pedestrian only from Confusion Corner to Portage Ave. Hell I’d be satisfied if they went the Graham Ave route and made it bus only with an added caveat of unidirectional protected bike lanes. With all the talk about making Osborne more bike friendly you would think that would include adding cycling facilities on the actual street but nope can’t have that in Winnipeg.

Am I asking for too much? I’d like to believe not but damn where’s the public engagement process, or alternative street designs? The city is deliberately only showcasing one design because there’s an agenda to push and it’s sickening. Based on public engagement results on Provencher and Marion it seems they don’t want to make the same “mistake” of letting the actual residents determine what Osborne should look like and want to impose this design in a borderline totalitarian manner. Just like they’ve done with the rehabs on Broadway, Donald, Smith, Roblin, Nairn, and Stafford to name a few. Public Works needs to be audited, but even if there were any findings the cities politicians would be too spineless to do anything about it.

Rant over this city never fails to let me down.

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Old Posted Sep 8, 2023, 2:04 PM
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^So you're not fond of it then?
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Old Posted Sep 8, 2023, 2:26 PM
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Nah he loves it
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Old Posted Sep 8, 2023, 2:47 PM
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There's no way anything endorsed by the BIZ is going to come down against parking on Osborne outside of rush hour even though in the big picture, those, what, 15 spots don't make much of a difference in the big picture.

That said, personally I'm not convinced that Osborne should be converted to a pedestrian zone or even transit-only unless those traffic lanes are replaced somewhere else. Traffic capacity linking south Winnipeg to downtown is already badly strained and eliminating a major route will make it even worse.
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Old Posted Sep 8, 2023, 2:53 PM
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Am I missing something. Currently bus lanes on Osborne?
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Old Posted Sep 8, 2023, 3:05 PM
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Am I missing something. Currently bus lanes on Osborne?
There are currently no bus lanes on that stretch of Osborne. The top image is incorrect.

Also, the sidewalk on the west side of Osborne there is definitely not 4.25m wide. It's about the same as the other side, around 3m.
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Old Posted Sep 8, 2023, 3:17 PM
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^So you're not fond of it then?
I would say there's some room for improvement

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There's no way anything endorsed by the BIZ is going to come down against parking on Osborne outside of rush hour even though in the big picture, those, what, 15 spots don't make much of a difference in the big picture.

That said, personally I'm not convinced that Osborne should be converted to a pedestrian zone or even transit-only unless those traffic lanes are replaced somewhere else. Traffic capacity linking south Winnipeg to downtown is already badly strained and eliminating a major route will make it even worse.
Or having a transit only lane from Confusion Corner to let's say Portage for example would significantly reduce commute times for Transit Users, and convince people to use a different mode of transportation rather then driving especially during rush hour. After all transit does more to reduce traffic congestion then road lanes. Terminating at Osborne Station makes it an easy connection to the Blue Line.
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Old Posted Sep 8, 2023, 3:20 PM
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^ Not sure that a diamond lane makes sense through the Village given that the major southbound routes are on the transitway now. The priority should be completing the SWBRT transitway between Harkness Station and Graham Avenue.
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Old Posted Sep 8, 2023, 4:31 PM
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My contrarian-urbanist opinion is that street parking can be a good thing. The Osborne strip often feels empty, it needs a sense of busyness to feel alive again. Parked cars along the sides (during off-peak hours, as the report recommends) will add more people and, crucially, creates a barrier between traffic and pedestrians. Just look at Corydon or Osborne itself at night when cars can park there, it is a much more pleasant pedestrian environment, and I think the parked cars are part of that. They also have the effect of encouraging slower moving traffic. I'm not here to defend car-centric planning, I live in the Village and sold my car recently because I believe in being car-free (there is nothing I want more than a bike lane over the Osborne Bridge), but I think these plans have the potential to bring some life back to the neighborhood that is desperately missing.
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Old Posted Sep 8, 2023, 8:34 PM
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Crazy suggestion : once the fire hall leaves for elsewhere in 100 years or whatever, build a parkade up to the sidewalk with ground floor retail and maybe even residential above the parkade, and convert one lane in each direction to dedicated bus/bikes. City subsidizes a large portion of the parkade element of the building in order to remove all the street parking, rest of the building is a private development. This leaves one lane in each direction for regular traffic IE a reduction in that sense but an olive branch for the car army.

It’s completely unlikely YES but it is as close to middle ground for all interests as possible.
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