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Old Posted Aug 17, 2023, 9:49 AM
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I do wonder how scooters got added to "active transportation". I've not seen one person on a traditional kick scooter getting some exercise, but plenty of passive people on the electric ones.

Sure, e-scooters are fun for some, and certainly more enviro-friendly than a motor vehicle, but "active" they are not.

E-Scooter By-Law no 2020-174, shared and personal e-scooters can operate on the City’s multiuse pathways, cycling facilities like cycle tracks and bike lanes and on roads with a speed limit of 50 km/h or lower. Of course, its an NCC path to get to the bridge so...The NCC says The Capital Pathway is for everyone — pedestrians, runners, cyclists, in-line skaters and people with mobility impairments. Entirely power-assisted e-bikes and scooters are not allowed. Not sure how you would have an entirely power assisted scooter...are they not always 'kickable' and therefore would be allowed? Nubs on fat wheels bikes doing 30k blasting their tunes pisses me off ... and powered unicycle dude blasting through even faster too. In 3 years of doing about 50 km a day on the paths I've seen 'enforcement' one time.
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I do wonder how scooters got added to "active transportation". I've not seen one person on a traditional kick scooter getting some exercise, but plenty of passive people on the electric ones.

Sure, e-scooters are fun for some, and certainly more enviro-friendly than a motor vehicle, but "active" they are not.
There are different levels of activity and if you consider standing to be a low level of activity, scooters could be considered active. They are certainly more active than sitting in car.

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E-Scooter By-Law no 2020-174, shared and personal e-scooters can operate on the City’s multiuse pathways, cycling facilities like cycle tracks and bike lanes and on roads with a speed limit of 50 km/h or lower. Of course, its an NCC path to get to the bridge so...The NCC says The Capital Pathway is for everyone — pedestrians, runners, cyclists, in-line skaters and people with mobility impairments. Entirely power-assisted e-bikes and scooters are not allowed. Not sure how you would have an entirely power assisted scooter...are they not always 'kickable' and therefore would be allowed? Nubs on fat wheels bikes doing 30k blasting their tunes pisses me off ... and powered unicycle dude blasting through even faster too. In 3 years of doing about 50 km a day on the paths I've seen 'enforcement' one time.
This would be considered "an entirely power assisted scooter:"

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I meant like, des trotinettes, not the wanna-be motorcycles.
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I meant like, des trotinettes, not the wanna-be motorcycles.
So a kick scooter? No offence, but it doesn’t matter what you mean, it is what the NCC regulation says. Both are scooters but only one could be considered “entirely power assisted.”
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So a kick scooter? No offence, but it doesn’t matter what you mean, it is what the NCC regulation says. Both are scooters but only one could be considered “entirely power assisted.”
Kick scooters are not allowed? I know e-scooters aren't (at least the rentals). NCC should update that policy.
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Testimony from people who will use it regularly.


Chief William Commanda Bridge opens
Alayne McGregor, Centretown Buzz
August 10, 2023

The Chief William Commanda Bridge finally opened on August 4, just in time for the long weekend, and to the delight of several Centretown cyclists and pedestrians. [...]

See https://centretownbuzz.ca/2023/08/chief-william-commanda-bridge-opens/

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Not sure if you're joking or not.

It is a multi-use pathway for any active form of transportation, be it foot, bike, scooter or whatever.
Thanks for the clarification. The post I quoted when I asked the question seem to say it was a bicycle transportation route, not an MUP.

I'm still skittish around cyclists after my concussion from being knocked down by one on a sidewalk outside a store. I can't walk steadily straight and am not able to jump out of the way.

Combined with not being able to see bikes coming at me (because I have to walk with my back to them on an MUP), I tend to stay off MUPs but have been looking at making an exception to walk the bridge. Obviously, I wouldn't if it wasn't open to pedestrians.

Given the congestion on the bridge from cyclists, I'm not sure I will go now. I might wait until the weather turns colder and school is back in to reduce the number of bikes on the path (although that may create a situation where the dedicated cyclists will want to go faster than the speed limit.)
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Thanks for the clarification. The post I quoted when I asked the question seem to say it was a bicycle transportation route, not an MUP.

I'm still skittish around cyclists after my concussion from being knocked down by one on a sidewalk outside a store. I can't walk steadily straight and am not able to jump out of the way.

Combined with not being able to see bikes coming at me (because I have to walk with my back to them on an MUP), I tend to stay off MUPs but have been looking at making an exception to walk the bridge. Obviously, I wouldn't if it wasn't open to pedestrians.

Given the congestion on the bridge from cyclists, I'm not sure I will go now. I might wait until the weather turns colder and school is back in to reduce the number of bikes on the path (although that may create a situation where the dedicated cyclists will want to go faster than the speed limit.)
Sorry to hear that...

It was quite busy when it opened. Maybe someone who uses it frequently can confirm if it's as busy or if the novelty has worn off.

If I were a pedestrian crossing it, I'd stick as close to the railing as possible, based on my one trip (on a bike) across it a few weeks ago.

Waiting for a quiet fall evening to try it out for the first time might not be such a bad idea in your situation.
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Sorry to hear that...

It was quite busy when it opened. Maybe someone who uses it frequently can confirm if it's as busy or if the novelty has worn off.

If I were a pedestrian crossing it, I'd stick as close to the railing as possible, based on my one trip (on a bike) across it a few weeks ago.

Waiting for a quiet fall evening to try it out for the first time might not be such a bad idea in your situation.
I walked across on Tuesday late morning. Traffic was relatively light, both pedestrians and cyclists. I didn't find the bike traffic was intimidating at all for a pedestrian. The bridge pathway was wide, and on the island, pedestrians can go onto the gravel shoulder, which was quite smooth. I really like the new crossing.
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There are different levels of activity and if you consider standing to be a low level of activity, scooters could be considered active. They are certainly more active than sitting in car.

This would be considered "an entirely power assisted scooter:"

Technically the images below are "motorcycle style e-bikes" - since they have pedals. Which I guess are all allowed on pathways?

The first one has the pedals folded up near the chain.




I'm not sure most people would be strong enough use those pedals for longer than the time needed to needed to say "Yes officer, this is a bicycle! See - it has pedals that work! I am allowed on the bike path!"

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Speaking of ditches, any idea why they didn't make one along the slope near Chief William Commanda bridge? So the path doesn't get covered with dirt after every rain?

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Technically the images below are "motorcycle style e-bikes" - since they have pedals. Which I guess are all allowed on pathways?

The first one has the pedals folded up near the chain.



I'm not sure most people would be strong enough use those pedals for longer than the time needed to needed to say "Yes officer, this is a bicycle! See - it has pedals that work! I am allowed on the bike path!"
I don't know about the NCC, but Ontario has the following regulations as to what can be considered an eBike:
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E-bike requirements

To operate an e-bike in Ontario, the e-bike must have:
  • a maximum assisted speed of 32 km/h
  • a maximum weight of 120 kg (includes the weight of the bike and battery)
  • an electric motor not exceeding 500 watts
  • no modifications to the motor to allow it to exceed a power output greater than 500 watts and an assisted speed greater than 32 km/h
  • battery and electric motor securely fastened to the bicycle frame to prevent them from moving while the e-bike is operating
  • all electrical terminals properly insulated
  • minimum wheel width of 35 mm and minimum diameter of 350 mm
  • two independent braking systems that applies force to each wheel and is capable of bringing the e-bike, while being operated at a speed of 30 km/h, to a full stop within 9 metres, on a level asphalt surface, from the point at which the brakes were applied
Removing the pedals makes the e-bike a motor vehicle, which requires a licence, insurance and registration to operate. It is also illegal to modify your e-bike's electric motor to make it more powerful or to increase the assisted speed of the bike.
https://www.ontario.ca/page/riding-e-bike#section-2
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Reminds me of The Simpsons episode "Homer's Odyssey". We've become a Simpsons episode.

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I walked across on Tuesday late morning. Traffic was relatively light, both pedestrians and cyclists. I didn't find the bike traffic was intimidating at all for a pedestrian. The bridge pathway was wide, and on the island, pedestrians can go onto the gravel shoulder, which was quite smooth. I really like the new crossing.
I agree. As far as MUPs in Ottawa go, this one is quite wide, especially on the bridges themselves. Plenty of room for pedestrians and cyclists to navigate comfortably as long as people keep to the right when walking. As mentioned, for some reason it’s normal MUP width on the island in the middle, but there is a gravel shoulder that many people walk on. The issue may be that you’ll have to walk along a normal width MUP to get to the bridge, but it’s a very short distance from Bayview Station.

I was there on Saturday afternoon (although it was overcast and kind of chilly) and it wasn’t particularly busy. The western parkway is fully open to only cars after noon on the weekend, so I don’t know if that makes a difference in terms of number of cyclists on weekends.
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According to Leiper, official opening will be on Saturday, but it hasn't been officly announced.
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Chief William Commanda Bridge has been a huge hit with Ottawans, mayor says
“Let us walk this bridge together in that good way with peace and love and kindness.”

Andrew Duffy, Ottawa Citizen
Published Sep 09, 2023 • Last updated 4 hours ago • 3 minute read


Almost 30,000 people crossed the Chief William Commanda Bridge in the first week after it opened in August, Mayor Mark Sutcliffe told a ceremony held Saturday to celebrate the completion of the infrastructure project.

More than 7,500 people crossed the bridge’s multi-use pathway in a single day, said Sutcliffe, who estimated that he had already run across the bridge 30 times.

“This bridge embodies so much about what I love about our community, what I love about Ottawa,” Sutcliffe told the official opening ceremony.

“It connects communities, it connects Ottawa and Gatineau, it facilitates active transportation, it’s being enjoyed by cyclists and commuters and recreational users and runners and pedestrians and visitors and tourists.”

Sutcliffe was joined by Hull-Aylmer MP Greg Fergus, three Ottawa councillors and a host of Indigenous leaders and elders to celebrate the official opening of the bridge, which was renamed for legendary Algonquin Chief William Commanda.

Commanda’s granddaughter, University of Ottawa Chancellor Claudette Commanda, led the group on a walk across the Ottawa River on a postcard afternoon.

“Let us walk this bridge together in that good way with peace and love and kindness,” Commanda said. “Let’s celebrate who William Commanda was; let’s celebrate his legacy of peace and harmony, love and kindness.”

Kitigan Zibi council member Frankie Cote, William Commanda’s great grandson, said his famous forebear had been an expert canoe maker, which made him a builder of bridges since that was once the only way to cross the Ottawa River.

“It’s so fitting it’s being named after him because he was a bridge-builder before there was a bridge,” Cote said.

Algonquins of Pikwakanagan First Nation Chief Greg Sarazin called the opening of the Commanda bridge deeply symbolic, noting that Algonquins were now divided into communities north and south of the Ottawa River.

“It could be said this bridge and walkway symbolically rejoins our Algonquin nation,” Sarazin said.

The $22.6-million project to revitalize and repurpose the decrepit old rail bridge was financed by the City of Ottawa with the help of $8.6 million from the federal government.

Previously known as the Prince of Wales Bridge, it was officially renamed last year for Commanda, who died in August 2011 at age 97.

William Commanda called for forgiveness and reconciliation despite facing hardship and racism in his own life.

Born on the Kitigan Zibi reserve on Nov. 11, 1913, one of seven children, Commanda said he grew up hungry and escaped residential school only by hiding in a bush.

He overcame alcoholism as a young man and worked as a guide, logger and trapper, becoming an expert birch bark canoe maker. He guided his community as chief for two decades between 1951 and 1970 and fought for recognition of Indigenous rights.

Commanda was devoted to living simply and in harmony with nature. He attended the 1991 Rio Earth Summit and called on the Canadian government to return Chaudière Falls, a sacred meeting place for Indigenous peoples, to its natural state.

Fluent in English, French and Algonquin, Commanda founded a peace organization called Circle of Nations, which advocated reconciliation and forgiveness. He met with the Dalai Lama, Nelson Mandela and a host of Canadian political leaders.

During his lifetime, Commanda was awarded the key to the city and an honorary doctorate from the University of Ottawa, and he was made an officer of the Order of Canada in 2008.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-new...idge-a-huge-hit-with-ottawans-mayor-says
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https://twitter.com/JLeiper/status/1727073963019473307

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Despite our stated opposition, the City has determined to close the Chief William Commanda bridge for the winter. You can read the memo we received today here: https://dropbox.com/scl/fi/z4fk2pwrmzmf5...pdf?rlkey=2vhsdbc3wcp0mui5i1qvh1mna&dl=0.
@ArielTroster and I will continue to press the City to find a way to keep it open safely.
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