Highway 1 Fraser Valley Phase 2&3: 216th to Hwy 11 | U/C

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by giallo

I just drove through the Hwy 1 gauntlet last Sunday, so I'm probably feeling a little extra testy after that predictably awful experience.

We drove back from a holiday on Friday specifically to avoid the Sunday return circus, and it was still really bad. No accidents, just volume.

[Jimbo604]

Will poor performance on this issue be an election issue coming up in October 2024 for those valley ridings the NDP snapped up last time?

[hollywoodnorth]

Originally Posted by Jimbo604

Will poor performance on this issue be an election issue coming up in October 2024 for those valley ridings the NDP snapped up last time?

one can only hope so.


The NDP excuse-making faltered when Coulter, Ma’s successor as minister of state for infrastructure, was asked about a completion date for widening Highway 1 out to Whatcom Road and then to the Sumas exit on the western border of Chilliwack.

“I believe the Sumas exit would be by 2034, ’35, something like that,” he told reporter Tyler Olsen of the Fraser Valley Current newsletter.

When Olsen pointed out how that would mean extending the deadline for the Whatcom Road portion by almost a decade, Coulter didn’t dispute it.

“Yes, it’s taking a bit longer, but part of the reason for that is the scope has increased a little bit,” said the minister, who represents Chilliwack in the legislature. “It’s not just about widening the highway.”

https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columni...ditch-election-promise-on-hwy-1-widening



Dan Coulter should be back pumping gas or collecting cans by the end of 2024 .... what a USELESS TOOL. people in his riding are going to be PISSED about this.

This would be like a person being from the SUNSHINE COAST being put in charge of BC FERRIES and not even knowing that only 1 ship sails the Vancouver (Horseshoe Bay) - Sunshine Coast (Langdale) route ....... TOTAL USELESS TOOL. "well we have multiple ships on that route daily" ..... ummm no you don't. do you even know your own portfolio LET ALONE YOUR OWN BACKYARD?

[libtard]

As soon as the NDP took power we went from high gear to neutral in terms of infrastructure building. Say what you want about the liberals during Gordon Campbell and Christy Clarke, they got a lot of projects done

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by libtard

As soon as the NDP took power we went from high gear to neutral in terms of infrastructure building. Say what you want about the liberals during Gordon Campbell and Christy Clarke, they got a lot of projects done

Road projects, maybe - but they sure dragged their feet on transit.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

Road projects, maybe - but they sure dragged their feet on transit.

they got the evergeen extension done. got Broadway Subway started. the Canada Line built.

so far, more than the NDP has.

fact is, we have had more major transit projects than road projects since 2000

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

they got the evergeen extension done. got Broadway Subway started. the Canada Line built.

so far, more than the NDP has.

fact is, we have had more major transit projects than road projects since 2000

According to Infrastructure BC there have been 9 road projects that have cost over $100m since 2002, costing the Province a total of $6.41bn, and three transit projects costing the Province $2.85bn. That's projects built, or under construction.

The liberals spent more on major road projects than transit projects, and so have the NDP, (despite paying a much higher proportion of the Broadway extension costs)

[libtard]

Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

Road projects, maybe - but they sure dragged their feet on transit.

Yes I was talking about road projects, this is a thread about a highway extension. Are you able to keep your agendas to yourself without shitting up this thread?

[Migrant_Coconut]

Saying "highways" instead of "infrastructure" would've helped.

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

... got Broadway Subway started...

The Libs literally kicked the Broadway extension six years down the road, which is the opposite of "getting it started."

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

Originally Posted by Changing City

According to Infrastructure BC there have been 9 road projects that have cost over $100m since 2002, costing the Province a total of $6.41bn, and three transit projects costing the Province $2.85bn. That's projects built, or under construction.

The liberals spent more on major road projects than transit projects, and so have the NDP, (despite paying a much higher proportion of the Broadway extension costs)

that's for the entire province. so a bunch of those projects don't count. you have to look at the lower mainland only and then compare. literally every decade we have gotten a new SkyTrain line. 80s Expo, 90s Surrey extension, 90s/00s Millennium, 00s Canada, 10s Evergreen, 20s BSP & Langley.

where as for roads its been 80s H91, 00s/10s Gateway and some miscellaneous projects here and there. i cant think of any other large projects.

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

The Libs literally kicked the Broadway extension six years down the road, which is the opposite of "getting it started."

and it should have been done as phase 1 on the millennium line, but the section through Burnaby voted NDP vs the Broadway area that voted liberal. so it became a gold plated, overly fancy station designed train to nowhere, and still has relatively low ridership compared to the Canada & Expo lines. the liberals are the ones who made it more useful with the evergeen extension. they also gave us the canada line. and if you consider the liberals an extension of the Social Credit, they also gave us the expo line. seems like most of our SkyTrain was built under SoCreds/liberal. hmmmm.

[Migrant_Coconut]

BC apparently had its greatest GDP per capita growth... under the 90s NDP. Same thing: correlation =/= causation, especially since the Libs haven’t nominated a single pro-transit leader since Gordon Campbell got the axe.

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

and it should have been done as phase 1 on the millennium line, but the section through Burnaby voted NDP vs the Broadway area that voted liberal. so it became a gold plated, overly fancy station designed train to nowhere, and still has relatively low ridership compared to the Canada & Expo lines. the liberals are the ones who made it more useful with the evergeen extension...

And yet the NDP's Phase 1 was actually built and finished in their time in office. Christy Clark simply continued a line that was already greenlighted by her predecessor; when it came to new transit, she said no, let's study a bridge to Gibsons instead. Wilkinson (and so far) Falcon are of the exact same mold.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

that's for the entire province. so a bunch of those projects don't count. you have to look at the lower mainland only and then compare. literally every decade we have gotten a new SkyTrain line. 80s Expo, 90s Surrey extension, 90s/00s Millennium, 00s Canada, 10s Evergreen, 20s BSP & Langley.

where as for roads its been 80s H91, 00s/10s Gateway and some miscellaneous projects here and there. i cant think of any other large projects.

Yes, the Provincial Government spends money on roads in the entire province, and on transit in the higher population concentration of Metro Vancouver, where over half the provincial population live. They still spend more on roads than on transit projects, both overall, and in the Lower Mainland.

The Port Mann Bridge cost almost the same the Province put into the Canada, Evergreen and Broadway transit projects. All the money comes out of the same taxpayers pot. If ageing infrastructure has to be replaced, it means there's less money for transit, or widening elsewhere.

[SFUVancouver]

Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

Road projects, maybe - but they sure dragged their feet on transit.

Not just foot-dragging, but outright sabotage of Translink funding culminating in the transit referendum.

Regardless, the proposed improvements to Highway 1 are long-overdue. While it makes sense to break up the corridor into phases, there should be a reasonable end-date for the whole scope of work and genuine effort made to expedite completion (e.g. overlap between phases), and further integrate transit expansion and multi-use paths into the project.

Lastly, regardless of which party can claim what projects, I think the overall pace of rapid transit expansion, bridge/crossing replacement projects, and overall highway capacity upgrades has been too slow over the last 30 years. Moreover, the separate Translink-BC Transit jurisdictions are hindering truly regional transportation planning and investment.

At one time it was true that 'The Valley' was a truly separate region with minimal overlap with Metro Vancouver (then GVRD) for commuting patterns and commerce. When that stopped being true is up for debate, but we've undoubtedly been on the other side of that line for some time. I don't know how it would be fairly implemented, but I think the province should 'contract out' regional transportation planning and transit delivery in the Fraser Valley to Translink and enable it to finally plan and operate transit for the entire region. BC highways would remain the domain of the Ministry of Transportation, but it would be Translink planning and operating transit from Hope to Bowen Island. Hopefully, critically, it would also receive adequate financial resources and political support in Victoria to design and implement a truly region-scale transportation system, inclusive of new regional rail services, regional bus service, and effective local transit service to suit the rural-to-dense-urban continuum, including investment in new and more local-serving SkyTrain lines to better knit together the densest parts of the region.

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by libtard

Yes I was talking about road projects, this is a thread about a highway extension. Are you able to keep your agendas to yourself without shitting up this thread?

Well, if you're going to praise the liberals and dump on the NDP for "infrastructure spending" then IMHO you're being a bit disingenuous and I think it needs to be pointed out that there are other priorities in the region than just road infrastructure. There's only so much money to go around, and you can't spend it all on one mode of transportation.

[Tvisforme]

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

....I don't know how it would be fairly implemented, but I think the province should 'contract out' regional transportation planning and transit delivery in the Fraser Valley to Translink and enable it to finally plan and operate transit for the entire region....

Back in 2007, there were plans to expand TransLink's scope to include transit, roads and bridges from Pemberton through to Hope. Obviously, that hasn't happened, but one would think that it would make sense in terms of regional planning.

[madog222]

Originally Posted by Tvisforme

Back in 2007, there were plans to expand TransLink's scope to include transit, roads and bridges from Pemberton through to Hope. Obviously, that hasn't happened, but one would think that it would make sense in terms of regional planning.

Speaking of the BC Lib's efforts to unload as much as possible from the Province to Translink.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by madog222

Speaking of the BC Lib's efforts to unload as much as possible from the Province to Translink.

Yeah it turns Translink into the whipping boy when really Municipal and Provincial governments should be the ones blamed.

Translink leadership is of course unelected and needs to beg for money from government.

[cairnstone]

Originally Posted by libtard

As soon as the NDP took power we went from high gear to neutral in terms of infrastructure building. Say what you want about the liberals during Gordon Campbell and Christy Clarke, they got a lot of projects done

Well let put that in perspective. They did highway 10 and 15 widening plus south perimeter and high way 1 partially. It was greatly reduced and still no plans for many sections of the highway. the ndp started the sea to sky project.

The liberals also offloaded 2 infrastructure projects onto translink. Golden ears and Patello bridge. There was not enough work desin or actual work done on Massey to count. Preload which was early works needed regardless of crossing type.

As for the interior they did a few bridges and hill climbing lanes. I would not say we hit neutral still lots going on and dont see the iron sitting so roads are being built .

[Migrant_Coconut]

There's a decent argument for a Fraser Valley Transit Agency (possibly including the Sea-to-Sky via Surrey and North Van) separate from TransLink and BC Transit, but that's it. The metro and the exurbs are too different to make a unified authority work.

[mcj]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

There's a decent argument for a Fraser Valley Transit Agency (possibly including the Sea-to-Sky via Surrey and North Van) separate from TransLink and BC Transit, but that's it. The metro and the exurbs are too different to make a unified authority work.

Are you suggesting a separate agency that'll govern local transit in the Fraser Valley? or a regional transit service?

I can see the value in a regional transit authority that's separate from local transit authorities that provides inter-regional service for the whole province. But I don't see value in creating another Translink-esque agency for FV local transit.