Metro Phoenix Dining Thread - Page 67

exit2lef · #**1321** Posted **Jul 7, 2023, 11:56 AM**

Federales has appealed the Board of Adjustment's decision against them:

https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/restaura...rom-opening-in-downtown-phoenix-16618553

Although I was more inclined to support Federales than the neighborhood opposition, their choice of attorney has me rethinking that position.

combusean · #**1322** Posted **Jul 7, 2023, 12:29 PM**

Four Corners has quite the uphill battle. Phoenix is under no obligation to hand out variances and use permits. The applicant has many tenets they have to meet (page 3) for every line item which will not be easy for them.

They're probably hiring that Wilenchik hack because he's an anti-government troll that isn't afraid of losing. Any sane lawyer would have laughed the appeal out the door, probably like their original counsel did.

Obadno · #**1323** Posted **Jul 7, 2023, 4:27 PM**

It seems strange to me that this is the development that Roosevelt is going to attack compared to the Apartments that went up at 3rd street.

I really don't get the opposition; it looks like a nice big patio that will feed into the street and the general area of nightlife/entertainment/Restaurants.

What is so bad about this restaurant? Its too big?

CrestedSaguaro · #**1324** Posted **Jul 7, 2023, 4:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by Obadno

It seems strange to me that this is the development that Roosevelt is going to attack compared to the Apartments that went up at 3rd street.

I really don't get the opposition; it looks like a nice big patio that will feed into the street and the general area of nightlife/entertainment/Restaurants.

What is so bad about this restaurant? Its too big?

I believe it's basically being perceived as another Golden Margarita if I am reading the opposition correctly. I'm not sure if it's going to be quite like GM's was. I posted about Federales when I saw the permits were submitted last year some time and I was looking forward to trying it out when it was completed. But now, I am also having second thoughts with their choice of attorney. I believe the city did sign off on everything. So the fight is pretty much the Roosevelt area and not with the city.

Obadno · #**1325** Posted **Jul 7, 2023, 5:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by CrestedSaguaro

I believe it's basically being perceived as another Golden Margarita if I am reading the opposition correctly. I'm not sure if it's going to be quite like GM's was. I posted about Federales when I saw the permits were submitted last year some time and I was looking forward to trying it out when it was completed. But now, I am also having second thoughts with their choice of attorney. I believe the city did sign off on everything. So the fight is pretty much the Roosevelt area and not with the city.

The renderings alone tells me this is nothing like The Golden Margarita.

I actually met the owner of the golden Margarita, and he was exactly like you would expect, that was the result of space being available. This development and restaurant group is many steps above Golden margarita in every way.

I dont really have a dog in the fight just seems strange to prevent a pretty nice looking restaurant from opening on Roosevelt.

MiEncanto · #**1326** Posted **Jul 7, 2023, 5:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by CrestedSaguaro

I believe it's basically being perceived as another Golden Margarita if I am reading the opposition correctly. I'm not sure if it's going to be quite like GM's was. I posted about Federales when I saw the permits were submitted last year some time and I was looking forward to trying it out when it was completed. But now, I am also having second thoughts with their choice of attorney. I believe the city did sign off on everything. So the fight is pretty much the Roosevelt area and not with the city.

Yep. It doesn't "feel" like the RR they want. Same reason they would oppose a Cold Beers and Cheeseburgers.

Hiring Wilenchenk is a bizarre choice. Perhaps a few years ago but with his recent press that is going to sink them. There are dozens of zoning guys who would like the experience even if it's a tough case.

Maybe they don't deserve it if they are dumb enough to hire him.

combusean · #**1327** Posted **Jul 8, 2023, 3:20 AM**

Whether this is a "fit" in terms of culture, etc is subjective, the core of the variance and use permit process is that granting one should not have any adverse affects on neighboring properties. I don't see a rambunctious full patio bar as meeting that without precedent. This would be a better use for the areas of downtown that have that as I'm pretty sure all the existing patios in RR don't sell hard liquor. If this were off Van Buren or Washington St I doubt anyone would say anything.

Accordingly, the experienced zoning attorneys would know that the requirements of use permits and variances are very strict. They're not going to burn bridges with the City fighting an uphill battle because they need that productive relationship with the City to provide results to future clients. Like, I generally do not recall any board of adjustment case that's been appealed to Superior Court and if I were a zoning attorney I would not want to be the first in memory.

Wilenchik has no such skin in the game. This is just far-right grand standing and opportunism. I hope the judge laughs them out of the courtroom.. the last thing we need is Phoenix to be another ground zero in some out of towner's anti-government charade.

TJPHXskyscraperfan · #**1328** Posted **Jul 8, 2023, 7:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by exit2lef

Federales has appealed the Board of Adjustment's decision against them:

https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/restaura...rom-opening-in-downtown-phoenix-16618553

Although I was more inclined to support Federales than the neighborhood opposition, their choice of attorney has me rethinking that position.

Parking? What makes this any different from any other restaurant in the area?

exit2lef · #**1329** Posted **Jul 8, 2023, 8:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by TJPHXskyscraperfan

Parking? What makes this any different from any other restaurant in the area?

Nothing. Parking is just a convenient argument to make in opposition to change.

Obadno · #**1330** Posted **Aug 11, 2023, 4:31 PM**

Sanora based Mexican brewing company opening at 1st Ave and Van Buren. My question is where?

In the parking garage next to Pizza Hut?

https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/news/2023/08/10/buqui-bichi-brewing-location-in-phoenix.html

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Buqui Bichi recently opened its Chandler location in July and now it’s brewing up a new spot in the Valley. The Mexican award-winning brewery from Hermosillo, Sonora is set to open its second U.S. location in downtown Phoenix.

“[It's] going to be opening September 15, right before Mexican Independence Day,” confirmed Kevin Gauthereau, manager of the Chandler location, to ABC15.

The new location is set to open near 1st Avenue and Van Buren in Phoenix.

exit2lef · #**1331** Posted **Aug 11, 2023, 4:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by Obadno

Sanora based Mexican brewing company opening at 1st Ave and Van Buren. My question is where?

In the parking garage next to Pizza Hut?

https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/news/2023/08/10/buqui-bichi-brewing-location-in-phoenix.html

There are some storefronts on the east side of Van Buren in the ground floor of that garage. It might be one of those.

ASU Diablo · #**1332** Posted **Aug 11, 2023, 4:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by Obadno

Sanora based Mexican brewing company opening at 1st Ave and Van Buren. My question is where?

In the parking garage next to Pizza Hut?

https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/news/2023/08/10/buqui-bichi-brewing-location-in-phoenix.html

At a loss as well. The corner spot (next to Pizza Hut) is supposed to be some brunch spot called Plush PHX (former Even Stevens spot). On the 1st Ave side and next to Plush, I think it's Loaded Weiner (former Poke Spot). There was one spot left and I think there's some cigar/vape shop? No idea where it would go.

Excited for another brewery in downtown!

Phxguy · #**1333** Posted **Aug 11, 2023, 4:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by exit2lef

There are some storefronts on the east side of Van Buren in the ground floor of that garage. It might be one of those.

Their liquor license application (which includes a site plan) is available on the CoP website, ‘Newly received applications’, look under District 7:

https://www.phoenix.gov/cityclerk/services/licensing/liquor/regular/new-apps

I believe it’s going into the corner space where ‘Plush’ was supposed to open.

ASU Diablo · #**1334** Posted **Aug 11, 2023, 5:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by Phxguy

Their liquor license application (which includes a site plan) is available on the CoP website, ‘Newly received applications’, look under District 7:

https://www.phoenix.gov/cityclerk/services/licensing/liquor/regular/new-apps

I believe it’s going into the corner space where ‘Plush’ was supposed to open.

Great spot for it if that is indeed the case. I'll try to drive by the area at some point this weekend. Construction should be well under way if they plan to open by 9/15.

pbenjamin · #**1335** Posted **Aug 14, 2023, 4:17 PM**

Phoenix Business Journal reports that Little Miss BBQ has canceled plans to open on Central in midtown due to rising interest rates and increased construction costs.

Obadno · #**1336** Posted **Aug 14, 2023, 4:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by pbenjamin

Phoenix Business Journal reports that Little Miss BBQ has canceled plans to open on Central in midtown due to rising interest rates and increased construction costs.

I think that was obvious given the "coming soon" sign for 5 years

pbenjamin · #**1337** Posted **Aug 14, 2023, 6:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by Obadno

I think that was obvious given the "coming soon" sign for 5 years

It's only been a year or so. They announced the plan in March of 22.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/entertai...e-miss-bbq-central-canceled/70588693007/

exit2lef · #**1338** Posted **Aug 14, 2023, 9:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by pbenjamin

It's only been a year or so. They announced the plan in March of 22.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/entertai...e-miss-bbq-central-canceled/70588693007/

The absence of any visible progress over the course of a year made me think this wasn't going to happen.

On the other hand, Cornish Pasty Company on Monroe took five years but did eventually happen.

TJPHXskyscraperfan · #**1339** Posted **Aug 16, 2023, 4:30 AM**

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Originally Posted by exit2lef

The absence of any visible progress over the course of a year made me think this wasn't going to happen.

On the other hand, Cornish Pasty Company on Monroe took five years but did eventually happen.

That could be a cool spot for Cornish,lol. I imagine they could get a huge lunch crowd! And we could use more bars in that area.

exit2lef · #**1340** Posted **Aug 16, 2023, 11:36 AM**

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Originally Posted by TJPHXskyscraperfan

That could be a cool spot for Cornish,lol. I imagine they could get a huge lunch crowd! And we could use more bars in that area.

You're right. It would be a good spot for a Midtown CPC, but I expect it would open around 2030 given how long it took for them to renovate and open the downtown location.