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Old Posted Aug 3, 2023, 9:00 PM
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Yeah I saw they applied for Peru. Has the political situation cooled back down there recently? I know AC had suspended pax ops to LIM.
No. It’s still ongoing. So definitely not ideal for TS to launch the route. But they clearly see an opportunity, with AC canceling YYZ/YUL-LIM.

From 2 weeks ago:

https://www.npr.org/2023/07/19/118873977...in-peru-call-for-the-presidents-resignat

GoC travel advisories for Peru:

https://travel.gc.ca/destinations/peru
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 4, 2023, 5:44 AM
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Flair will be shipping 2 aircraft to Australia for the winter season. Bonza and Flair, who are both 777 partners have entered a wet lease agreement for each others summers. Bonza will ship some of their aircraft to Canada next summer to help support Flair’s summer flying.

I wonder if Flair will ship Bonza the “Flonza” livery planes
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 6, 2023, 2:07 PM
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MCO, TPA, CUN loaded on OAG at 3x weekly; PUJ 2x weekly.
Pretty much the same as Swoop.
Subject to change but I guess we'll get confirmation tomorrow.



Calgary - Daily
Edmonton - Daily
Halifax - 1x weekly
Kelowna - 3x weekly
Ottawa - 2x weekly
Regina - 3x weekly
Saskatoon - 2x weekly
Toronto - Daily
Vancouver - Daily
Victoria - 2x weekly
Winnipeg - 5x weekly
Hamilton - 3x weekly*
I think you must have meant "at least daily" for the ones you listed as "Daily" because CUN-YVR is 9x weekly (daily plus 2 extra flights on Thu and Sat), YEG is 8x weekly (daily plus 1 extra on Friday), YYC is 14x weekly (some days are 1x and some days are 3x, so 14x weekly does not equal double daily), and YYZ is 16x weekly. Sorry didn't check the rest, just the ones listed as daily, wanted to be clear that this didn't mean 7 flights a week for any of those destinations. As posted before, YYZ, YYC and YVR will have daily 787 service, with the extra flights operated by 737 for all three cities (as well as for all the other airports on the list)
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2023, 5:16 PM
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A Trous-Rivières company is retrofitting GSE from gas to electric and they’re now making their debut at YUL: https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/2001212/tracteur-electrique-aeroport-montreal-ingenext

A 200 km electric range means they’ll only need to be recharged a couple of times a week.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2023, 11:13 PM
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Dozens of plane spotters came out to YEG last week to celebrate a special arrival - Buffalo Airways’ first and only 737 aircraft that will soon offer 5x weekly cargo service between Edmonton and Yellowknife.


Our community’s passion for aviation is inspiring to experience, and brings the magic of flying to life.

This aircraft has been refurbished and upgraded in the UK and is now coming back to Edmonton for final touches before starting this important cargo route, supporting timely delivery of critical goods to Canada’s North, such as food, pharmaceuticals and building materials, reinforcing YEG's position as the Gateway to the North.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 9, 2023, 4:59 PM
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Great to see a 737 still with eyebrows. In other North of 60-related news (on the 45th), Canadian North to receive up to $11 million in National Trade Corridors Fund funding to substantially expand their YOW cargo handling capacity: https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/mi...awa-international-airport-868098864.html

The airline will also invest up to $11 million.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 9, 2023, 5:48 PM
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Flair really has gone too far when they start screwing over the Swifties.

B.C. 'Swifties' miss out on L.A. concert after Flair Airlines diverts back to Vancouver under bizarre circumstances
Kevin Charach
CTV News Vancouver Multi-Media Journalist
Published Aug. 9, 2023 7:29 a.m. PDT

A Flair Airlines flight had to return to Vancouver shortly after taking off Tuesday morning, devastating passengers with tickets to one of Taylor Swift's concerts in Los Angeles.

More than an hour into the flight, the plane diverted back to the Vancouver International Airport, where passengers were told there was a mechanical issue with the plane’s bathrooms. The passengers were initially told the flight was delayed, but then Flair officially canceled the flight at 4:08 p.m.

One passenger told CTV News she and a group of friends were supposed to attend Swift’s Tuesday night concert at SoFi Stadium.

”We’ve all just been looking forward to going to see her for so long and to have something like this stop us from going, it’s just a huge inconvenience,” said Annice Lee, a Vancouver resident. “I would not recommend using Flair to go anywhere.”

Lee says she and her friends each spent $2,000 per ticket and chose Flair to help offset the pricey purchase.

“We knew it was a — but we never would’ve imagined it would come to this.”...


https://bc.ctvnews.ca/b-c-swifties-miss-...utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 9, 2023, 6:35 PM
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"We knew flying Flair was a —" lmaooo
Aviation in this country is such a gongshow.
This is probably one thing on this forum that nearly EVERYONE can agree on. Flying in, out or across this country is very frustrating. I don't know which would be better, a giant, public monopoly or the current fragmented "everyone throw everything at the wall and see what sticks" setup.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 9, 2023, 7:46 PM
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"We knew flying Flair was a —" lmaooo

Aviation in this country is such a gongshow.
Well if they left (or attempted) yesterday and the show's tonight, they had a full day to figure out an alternate way of getting there. You could even drive it and probably still make it in time.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 9, 2023, 8:33 PM
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“We knew it was a — but we never would’ve imagined it would come to this.”...
Well that's almost worse since the people already knew it was a — but THEY decided to — so it's their issue unfortunately. But yes it doesn't change the fact that Flair has lost some customers and received more bad publicity. I find it strange, though, that someone would risk $2,000 to save a $100 or maybe $200. And from YVR you have plenty of competition even with connections so it would be interesting how much they really saved on the Flair pricing.

I'm flying YEG-YVR for a concert in the fall and i'm not flying Flair for the same reason even though theoretically there are a multitude of options if the Flair flight was cancelled.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 9, 2023, 10:01 PM
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Well that's almost worse since the people already knew it was a — but THEY decided to — so it's their issue unfortunately. But yes it doesn't change the fact that Flair has lost some customers and received more bad publicity. I find it strange, though, that someone would risk $2,000 to save a $100 or maybe $200. And from YVR you have plenty of competition even with connections so it would be interesting how much they really saved on the Flair pricing.

I'm flying YEG-YVR for a concert in the fall and i'm not flying Flair for the same reason even though theoretically there are a multitude of options if the Flair flight was cancelled.
I'm not sure about Aug 8, but I was checking August 5/6/7... pretty much all flights are full, and maybe there are a few Y seats left for AC, going for $1200 one-way. Flair was cheaper at $700 one-way.

This was about a week before the flight.

So there might be a lot of flights, but there may be zero option for last-minute booking.

I didn't check connecting flight though, maybe it's cheaper to connect at YYC/YEG/YWG or some other US cities?
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 9, 2023, 10:27 PM
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I'm not sure about Aug 8, but I was checking August 5/6/7... pretty much all flights are full, and maybe there are a few Y seats left for AC, going for $1200 one-way. Flair was cheaper at $700 one-way.

This was about a week before the flight.

So there might be a lot of flights, but there may be zero option for last-minute booking.

I didn't check connecting flight though, maybe it's cheaper to connect at YYC/YEG/YWG or some other US cities?
$300 one way from Seattle if you leave tomorrow so assume thats usually true. There are options from Vancouver. Other cities not so much.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 9, 2023, 10:45 PM
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$300 one way from Seattle if you leave tomorrow so assume thats usually true. There are options from Vancouver. Other cities not so much.
Well, that is for tomorrow though, not the peak at Aug 5/6/7/8.

There are still lots of availability for YVR-LAX tomorrow:
WS $432
AC $508
F8 $514

Funny that it's cheaper to fly AC/WS than to fly Flair if you want to book a ticket for tomorrow
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 10, 2023, 3:25 AM
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I mean I get that F8 is cheap but it still shouldn't be a roll of a damn dice on whether or not they'll get you to your destination. They claim to be an air carrier, then carry people. It's not the fault of the people who booked.
Easy solution to this problem, bring in regulation that requires the airline to book you on the next available flight if your going to be late.

Wait, don't we already have such rules. They can creatively define a failed washroom as an act of god can they?
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 10, 2023, 4:19 AM
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Intersting tidbit from the latest Jetlines press release
“Later this month, we will provide an update on our fall and winter schedule and announce new scheduled leisure destinations”

As a consumer, I wouldn’t trust them given how they’ve essentially canceled every damn route they’ve flown. They have LAS/CUN on schedule but I wouldn’t trust them on that. The fares they are offering aren’t even competitive…

Jetlines is better off staying in the charter business if they aren’t going to compete price wise with the likes of Flair and Westjet.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 10, 2023, 4:56 AM
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I mean I get that F8 is cheap but it still shouldn't be a roll of a damn dice on whether or not they'll get you to your destination. They claim to be an air carrier, then carry people. It's not the fault of the people who booked.
You mentioned that aviation in Canada is a gongshow. Well you're right but these passengers admitted that they took a — on Flair the biggest gongshow instead of a lesser gongshow like AC or WS. Flying any airline in Canada is a roll of the dice. I can't speak to the rules of US carriers. We know how Europe's rules and penalties are much more in favor of the passenger than the airline. Can you imagine the penalties Flair, Swoop, Lynx, Air Transat and the others would have to fork out if we had Europe's rules?

I've said this before about any airline (in Canada anyways) and how the rules are completely different than from any other purchase. I buy a ticket on an airline for a departure date and time, an arrival date and time, a non-stop flight and even on a type of aircraft. The airline can cancel the flight, reschedule it to another time or another day, change the flight to 1 stop instead of 2 stop and change the aircraft and the only repercussion is that they will offer to return your money. For 90% of passengers that isn't good enough as they have hotels booked, tours, cruises, concerts, business meetings, etc. Supposedly the airline has to rebook you but good luck fighting the agent at the 1-800 number. Your other option is to complain to the federal government and wait your 2 years. It's easier to get paroled out of prison.

I remember booking a YEG-CUN non-stop flight and Air Transat changed this to a 1 stop flight both ways at YYC. When I called TS they said "it wasn't enough of a time difference to warrant any compensation". I said to them but I booked this flight specifically for it's non-stop aspect so I should be paying less for a worse flight. They wouldn't budge whatsoever. So I will never fly again TS again as they are too small, inflexible and have a small schedule. Of course, they disappeared out west so it's moot point. I would also not book Condor to FRA from YEG and pick KL to AMS from YEG instead as KL has enough redundancies through other Canadian airports and even through AF if need be.

To be fair, I have never had any issues with AC or WS when schedules have changed. I was able to pick an alternate flight at my choosing almost every time and even chose better itineraries than what I had originally. At the end of the day, choose AC or WS if you want the least or a normal amount of risk. Yes they have their issues but they have enough planes, partner airlines and routes to get you home. All the other airlines give you an exponentially higher risk factor for not getting to your destination on time and yes you are basically rolling the dice.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 10, 2023, 6:28 PM
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A system that existed on the back of previous surplus capacity and low costs runs smack into reality as travel demand soars beyond supply and more cost is unlikely to come out in the future. It's a very mid-2020s vibe.

One either chooses the oligopoly and pays accordingly, or takes a big chance with upstarts. Caveat emptor.

The end of cheap flying had to come at some point. It was a high, a drug. Squeezing cost out comes to an end when you've scarce high-skill labour, fickle low-end labour, rising fuel costs, rising interest rates, airports running at the ragged edge of capacity, and the next generation of airliners that have mostly replaced the less-efficient previous generation.

The last thing keeping prices sane is investors shovelling cash into startups and expansions. We shall see how long that lasts when one can actually get a near-risk free decent return for boring investments like bonds now. Throwing Jello at the wall and seeing what stuck was fine when one has near-infinite supply of Jello, not so much when people want their pound of flesh to keep up the supply of Jello.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 10, 2023, 7:09 PM
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A system that existed on the back of previous surplus capacity and low costs runs smack into reality as travel demand soars beyond supply and more cost is unlikely to come out in the future. It's a very mid-2020s vibe.

One either chooses the oligopoly and pays accordingly, or takes a big chance with upstarts. Caveat emptor.

The end of cheap flying had to come at some point. It was a high, a drug. Squeezing cost out comes to an end when you've scarce high-skill labour, fickle low-end labour, rising fuel costs, rising interest rates, airports running at the ragged edge of capacity, and the next generation of airliners that have mostly replaced the less-efficient previous generation.

The last thing keeping prices sane is investors shovelling cash into startups and expansions. We shall see how long that lasts when one can actually get a near-risk free decent return for boring investments like bonds now. Throwing Jello at the wall and seeing what stuck was fine when one has near-infinite supply of Jello, not so much when people want their pound of flesh to keep up the supply of Jello.
Of course the argument is always that new competition keeps the existing players on their toes. I'd question that, when we had AC and CP as the dominant carriers with some smaller regional carriers like Pacific Western and Nordair flights seemed to be much more reliable even with less technologically advanced equipment.

As you say, the amount of money burned through on the latest startups could have been deployed elsewhere in the economy to a greater benefit.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 10, 2023, 9:29 PM
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I think the trouble with the airline industry is it's strange. What I just said is strange but what makes an airline successful? I feel like no one knows what a fair profit is for an airline to be able to operate and expand while keeping prices relatively low. All these are subjective depending if you're a traveler, a worker or a CEO. You hear airlines losing money for 5+ years and they stay afloat. Or they lose tons of money, declare bankruptcy and start over with the same setup albeit with perhaps lower wages, less aircraft and so on.

Canada's geography and population makes the above even more challenging. So is an ideal situation for Canada two stable scheduled carriers with some charter companies that handle summer and winter seasonal flying? Or one large scheduled carrier, one smaller scheduled carrier and one low cost carrier? On top of this, all these companies want to run the other one out of business and predatory pricing and scheduling is done by all of them. Like Acey said, a gongshow lol.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 10, 2023, 10:54 PM
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Kudos to Air Canada for ferrying planes to Maui for rescue flights:

...an empty plane was sent to evacuate Canadians stranded across the Hawaiian island on Wednesday night.

“Last night, we operated an evening flight with a larger aircraft, a 298-seat Dreamliner, where normally we fly a 169-seat Boeing 737. The Dreamliner flight flew down empty, what we call a ferry flight, and it is coming back full of passengers,” said an Air Canada spokesperson.

Air Canada is planning a second such ferry flight this evening, the spokesperson said.

“We continue to monitor the Maui situation very closely as the situation is evolving.”....


https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/air-...e83e036-9a8b-5861-902d-34e6b672d608.html
     
     
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