Ottawa Macdonald-Cartier International Airport (YOW/CYOW) 1.0

[Dominion301]

Today’s departure count: 62

Today’s cancellation count: 5

[Dominion301]

Today’s departure count: 74

Today’s cancellation count: 2

[fanofYOW]

I love how PD now has more year-round destinations options than AC. I wonder how long it will take for PD to have more options in total and more daily departures.

In other news, I wrote to BA last week suggesting YOW-LHR. If they even take it with a smidgen of 0.00001% seriousness, it would be a win

[Dominion301]

Originally Posted by fanofYOW

I love how PD now has more year-round destinations options than AC. I wonder how long it will take for PD to have more options in total and more daily departures.

In other news, I wrote to BA last week suggesting YOW-LHR. If they even take it with a smidgen of 0.00001% seriousness, it would be a win

There’s an Ottawa Business Journal article behind their paywall where apparently (heard this from someone else) Laroche says he’s cautiously optimistic about LHR returning in 2024. Anyone on here read it and can provide more info?

[YowItaliano]

Here's a little hint of London LHR

https://www.ledroit.com/actualites/actua...ie-dallumage-XRCWLTTFOZFKZI2SUDG3EDS3GU/

[YOWflier]

Originally Posted by Dominion301

There’s an Ottawa Business Journal article behind their paywall where apparently (heard this from someone else) Laroche says he’s cautiously optimistic about LHR returning in 2024. Anyone on here read it and can provide more info?

I don’t see an obvious such article, but if you use iOS/Safari, go to the paywalled article, and select “Show Reader” in Safari’s menu…magic usually happens.

[fanofYOW]

Originally Posted by Dominion301

There’s an Ottawa Business Journal article behind their paywall where apparently (heard this from someone else) Laroche says he’s cautiously optimistic about LHR returning in 2024. Anyone on here read it and can provide more info?

Very much hoping it’s not AC but it probably is.

[RomanR27]

The quote from the article (using Google auto-translate so might be lacking nuance):

Mr. Laroche does not hide the hope that the success of this link with the City of Light will act as a kind of locomotive to succeed in adding other popular European cities to Ottawa's offer, in particular by adding London, which was on the list of destinations just like Frankfurt before COVID-19 shook the planet.

“It may not be in the next few months, because these decisions, even for next year, have already been made. These are big assets for the airlines. Sometimes it happens at the last minute, like in the case of Paris, but it's not usual. It's a very competitive industry so they don't want to show their cards too fast. We definitely want to go back to England, the market is there and it was working well (before the pandemic). And the people who take the flight to Paris, they continue beyond France, but they do not retrace their steps to go to London”, mentions Mr. Laroche, who recalls that several airlines have suffered a lot in the last three years and are rebuilding their hubs as a priority.

To me it sounds like 2024 may be a pipe dream for LHR still.

[fanofYOW]

Originally Posted by RomanR27

The quote from the article (using Google auto-translate so might be lacking nuance):



To me it sounds like 2024 may be a pipe dream for LHR still.

What I understood from the translation is that LHR and CDG won’t be in direct competition with one another because people using AF to CDG aren’t using it to get to LHR. So the two routes can coexist?

[RomanR27]

Originally Posted by fanofYOW

What I understood from the translation is that LHR and CDG won’t be in direct competition with one another because people using AF to CDG aren’t using it to get to LHR. So the two routes can coexist?

I think they can coexist for sure, but the "It may not be in the next few months, because these decisions, even for next year, have already been made" line makes it sound like at this point it's not in the cards for 2024 unless something changes.

[YOWflier]

If it’s to be AC reinstating LHR and/or FRA, and if they are indeed awaiting the A321XLR for this/these, then it won’t be 2024. Don’t ask me how I know.

If it’s to be a 788 or other then…maybe.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by fanofYOW

What I understood from the translation is that LHR and CDG won’t be in direct competition with one another because people using AF to CDG aren’t using it to get to LHR. So the two routes can coexist?

They are in competition for transfer passengers. Anecdotally I know some frequent travellers are considering abandoning Air Canada and Star Alliance for Air France. Points west and south are still limited but if your trips are to Europe or Africa/Middle East Air France is starting to look good.

[fanofYOW]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

They are in competition for transfer passengers. Anecdotally I know some frequent travellers are considering abandoning Air Canada and Star Alliance for Air France. Points west and south are still limited but if your trips are to Europe or Africa/Middle East Air France is starting to look good.

As they should. AC’s YOW-LHR connections in LHR is limited to Star Alliance and code share. AF to CDG has no limits. You’d think AC would move their a** because the people driving to YUL are not necessarily choosing AC for Europe. I also don’t know the number but I suspect AF is currently taking away some potential YOW feed in YYZ.

[Dominion301]

Originally Posted by YowItaliano

Here's a little hint of London LHR

https://www.ledroit.com/actualites/actua...ie-dallumage-XRCWLTTFOZFKZI2SUDG3EDS3GU/

Merci pour ceci!

Originally Posted by YOWflier

I don’t see an obvious such article, but if you use iOS/Safari, go to the paywalled article, and select “Show Reader” in Safari’s menu…magic usually happens.

Thanks for the tip!

Originally Posted by YOWflier

If it’s to be AC reinstating LHR and/or FRA, and if they are indeed awaiting the A321XLR for this/these, then it won’t be 2024. Don’t ask me how I know.

If it’s to be a 788 or other then…maybe.

I still think those are waiting for the XLR which would mean summer 2025 at the earliest. An XLR to LHR would cater to the O&D traffic, which pre-pandemic was YOW's largest international market at about 100k O&D pax/year. AC used to put a lot of non-Star interline partner connections thru LHR on the 767 back in the day.

[RomanR27]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

They are in competition for transfer passengers. Anecdotally I know some frequent travellers are considering abandoning Air Canada and Star Alliance for Air France. Points west and south are still limited but if your trips are to Europe or Africa/Middle East Air France is starting to look good.

I wonder if Delta will ever re-enter the market here, I think that would entice more people to make the switch who do US travelling as well. I also wonder if AF continues to have strong bookings on YOW but don't have the equipment to make it daily, if KLM would jump in 2-3x weekly so AF/KL could combine for daily service to Europe.

[Dominion301]

Today’s departure count: 77

Today’s cancellation count: 0

[fanofYOW]

Originally Posted by RomanR27

I wonder if Delta will ever re-enter the market here, I think that would entice more people to make the switch who do US travelling as well. I also wonder if AF continues to have strong bookings on YOW but don't have the equipment to make it daily, if KLM would jump in 2-3x weekly so AF/KL could combine for daily service to Europe.

KLM and Delta would be amazing for my newly activated Flying Blue haha. Still not incentivizing enough to use WS. Also this idea of KLM coming in 2x weekly on days AF does not would be incredible. Much more so than AF going daily. At least this way we have an option for direct to Amsterdam.

[Dominion301]

Today’s departure count: 72 - including a Rouge sub to YYZ at 1900

Today’s cancellation count: 5

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by RomanR27

I wonder if Delta will ever re-enter the market here, I think that would entice more people to make the switch who do US travelling as well. I also wonder if AF continues to have strong bookings on YOW but don't have the equipment to make it daily, if KLM would jump in 2-3x weekly so AF/KL could combine for daily service to Europe.

DL maybe. I doubt YOW can support KLM and AF. Better for AF to just expand service and go daily to eventually double daily. They are one company. No point supporting multiple brands in a market like YOW.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by Dominion301

Today’s departure count: 72 - including a Rouge sub to YYZ at 1900

Today’s cancellation count: 5

Does the information you draw from indicate what flights are cancelled? It would be interesting to know.