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Old Posted May 3, 2019, 6:11 PM
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They're not wrong, though.
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Old Posted May 10, 2019, 10:13 PM
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They're not wrong, though.
It depends on your views.

For decades, Hamilton residents complained about the lack of high-end residential projects in Downtown Hamilton. Those people lived on the Mountain, Stoney Creek, Ancaster, Dundas, etc and only came down if they worked Downtown or if they had to for any other reason. Otherwise, those people avoided Downtown completely.

Then you have the people who live in the rest of the GTA who immediately cringe when you tell them you're from Hamilton.

It's a stigma that has existed for decades and it still exists presently.

This is an example of a development that contributes to changing that stigma for the better. It also symbolizes the growth of our city.

Does there have to be more affordable and city housing? 110%. I see both sides of the argument, but I also love seeing neighborhoods that used to be in shambles slowly get resurrected and start to look appealing again or even for the first time.

It's a double-edged sword. I do think the City is thinking about affordable housing and they're making efforts to get more built. I also think they realize that we have only scratched the surface in terms of breaking the negative stigma some have of Hamilton still and are encouraging more developments like this to be constructed as well.
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Old Posted May 10, 2019, 10:34 PM
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Unfortunately the stigma of hamilton will always exist as long as the only view of hamilton people see going over the skyway bridge is of the factories - these people don't do their research to see what else hamilton has to offer - first impressions are everything - so you can spruce up the city all you want - as long as this truth remains, that stigma will never go away.

And maybe it's partially good that it doesn't - if people are that quick to turn up their nose at our city, do we really want those types of people living here..? Do we want people coming here that look down on factory workers and industry?
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Old Posted May 10, 2019, 10:43 PM
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Unfortunately the stigma of hamilton will always exist as long as the only view of hamilton people see going over the skyway bridge is of the factories - these people don't do their research to see what else hamilton has to offer - first impressions are everything - so you can spruce up the city all you want - as long as this truth remains, that stigma will never go away.

And maybe it's partially good that it doesn't - if people are that quick to turn up their nose at our city, do we really want those types of people living here..? Do we want people coming here that look down on factory workers and industry?
Part of the stigma is the way our Downtown currently looks compared to the downtowns in neighboring cities in the province. It's not all about the factories. I'm sure that plays a small factor for some people when forming a view of Hamilton, but a lot of it has to do with the actual Downtown. It's come a long way and gets better every single day.

I think the stigma is fading, actually. I speak to professionals from across the province on a regular basis and whenever they visit the city after not visiting for several years, they're incredibly impressed with everything they see. They also realize that the stigma that was present 10 years ago isn't the same as it was back then.

We're in a beautiful time for the City of Hamilton. I'm happy to see this development Under Construction.
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Old Posted May 10, 2019, 10:51 PM
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No man, it has a LOT to do with how people who have never actually gone through hamilton view it - of all the people I have spoken to that have never gone through hamilton and only seen it from the skyway bridge - 100% of them said it was because of the view of the factories that they had that perception of the city - it's huge, and you don't have to go THROUGH hamilton, to go BY hamilton.

The other stuff plays a role as well, but for those that make a blanket assumption, the factories are 100% the reason.

Sorry man, don't mean to argue but I really did want to drive this point home, because it's something that I have constantly been barraged with by others growing up. As someone who has lived here my whole life it's still a big issue for the perception of our city from those who know nothing about our city.
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It depends on your views.

For decades, Hamilton residents complained about the lack of high-end residential projects in Downtown Hamilton. Those people lived on the Mountain, Stoney Creek, Ancaster, Dundas, etc and only came down if they worked Downtown or if they had to for any other reason. Otherwise, those people avoided Downtown completely.

Then you have the people who live in the rest of the GTA who immediately cringe when you tell them you're from Hamilton.

It's a stigma that has existed for decades and it still exists presently.

This is an example of a development that contributes to changing that stigma for the better. It also symbolizes the growth of our city.

Does there have to be more affordable and city housing? 110%. I see both sides of the argument, but I also love seeing neighborhoods that used to be in shambles slowly get resurrected and start to look appealing again or even for the first time.

It's a double-edged sword. I do think the City is thinking about affordable housing and they're making efforts to get more built. I also think they realize that we have only scratched the surface in terms of breaking the negative stigma some have of Hamilton still and are encouraging more developments like this to be constructed as well.
I agree, it depends on how you view things (and, honestly, your opinion on markets in general).

Let's take the "Housing for people, not for profit". My view is that these aren't mutually exclusive. Ultimately, developers only make a profit if the units are bought (or rented). Developers aren't holding units hostage to drive up prices, it's in their economic interest that they sell as many units as possible, rather than keep them as an empty liability. Of course, there are people with purist views that all housing should be built by the government because then there would be no profit motive, but I don't subscribe to that outlook.

On the "your profit, our trauma" poster, this development isn't really inflicting trauma unless you're an anti-market-development hardliner. Half of the site was a decrepit house and half of it was an empty lot. Who exactly is suffering here? Of course, if this development was replacing an older apartment complex, for example, there would be more of a case to be made that the development is causing problems for those renters. Ultimately, though, increasing the housing supply is the most basic, necessary policy to protect and enhance affordability.

And on "end the war on the poor", I mean, it depends on how you view things politically, and your opinion on whether development helps or hurts the poor. I certainly believe we can do things to improve life for poorer Hamiltonians, but the evidence shows that new housing and increased supply helps everyone! Stopping development, implementing inclusionary zoning, extracting "community benefits", etc. will not help end the war on the poor, in my personal view.

A healthy housing supply is key to building an economic system that gives everyone, even the most disadvantaged, a chance to get ahead. Part of that solution is ensuring the poorest and worst-off have access to things like affordable housing, and that demand should be met, in my personal opinion, by supply neutral inclusionary zoning which mixes income levels but does not increase the cost of market housing, which is terrible policy for long-term affordability.
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we have 800 acres of prime and vacant waterfront in need of a plan and a new life. Perhaps some consortium (P3) could actually change what everyone sees as the zip along the skyway.
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we have 800 acres of prime and vacant waterfront in need of a plan and a new life. Perhaps some consortium (P3) could actually change what everyone sees as the zip along the skyway.
I was under the impression Stelco went ahead and purchased those lands. They'll probably expand their operations or sit on it and flip right? Or lease some of the land to the city?
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How's this development coming along?!?!
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How's this development coming along?!?!
Agree. Let's keep the discussion about people opinions of Hamilton under General Discussion.
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Agree. Let's keep the discussion about people opinions of Hamilton under General Discussion.
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Old Posted May 15, 2019, 3:55 PM
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fair enough!
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Looks like they're starting on this. They've got new equipment on site, looks to be starting foundation. How deep are they digging for this build?
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Looks like they're starting on this. They've got new equipment on site, looks to be starting foundation. How deep are they digging for this build?
Great news!
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Old Posted Sep 19, 2019, 2:22 PM
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How convinient.
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Work on this seems to have stopped over the last 1-2 weeks. I'm assuming they don't have permits for foundations?
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