Federal Elections

[adam-machiavelli]

Ah yes...the typical reaction of a conservative supporter is to deflect attention away from their own problems. The Liberals have done bad things too. I'm sure we could open a whole new thread on what the Liberals have done. However right now we're discussing the Conservatives. You only make your dear party look worse with that improper reaction. The right thing to do would have been to acknowledge your leader's problems, apologize, and beg the rest of the country for forgiveness. Also, do not ever ever say what the majority of Canadians want. A majority of Canadians almost never agree on the same thing. Your comments only make you appear arrogant and patronizing -therefore humiliating yourself and your party even further. A majority of Canadians have only been in agreement on one issue in recent memory and that's that they don't want a government made up of Conservatives.

[reidjr]

Originally Posted by adam-machiavelli

Ah yes...the typical reaction of a conservative supporter is to deflect attention away from their own problems. The Liberals have done bad things too. I'm sure we could open a whole new thread on what the Liberals have done. However right now we're discussing the Conservatives. You only make your dear party look worse with that improper reaction. The right thing to do would have been to acknowledge your leader's problems, apologize, and beg the rest of the country for forgiveness. Also, don't not ever ever say what the majority of Canadians want. A majority of Canadians almost never agree on the same thing. Your comments only make you appear arrogant and patronizing -therefore humiliating yourself and your party even further. A majority of Canadians have only been in agreement on one issue in recent memory and that's that they don't want a government made up of Conservatives.

Did you not read what i said i no longer support harper for many reason bottom line is i won't be voting for him.It may have looked like i was defending him i was not i am just sick of how high and mighty some liberal supporters are they act like there party is perfect.As for a majority your right most including my sel don't want harper as a pm but aslo a vast many don't want a deal where the ndp-liberals-bloc share power that would be a nightmare for many people.

[Ottawan]

Originally Posted by reidjr

Did you not read what i said i no longer support harper for many reason bottom line is i won't be voting for him.It may have looked like i was defending him i was not i am just sick of how high and mighty some liberal supporters are they act like there party is perfect.As for a majority your right most including my sel don't want harper as a pm but aslo a vast many don't want a deal where the ndp-liberals-bloc share power that would be a nightmare for many people.

I somehow fail to see the arrogance, or using your phrase, the "high and mighty" nature of my simple request that people actually consider each party's platform and use that as a basis for casting their vote, merely confident that I feel this time the Liberal platform holds out the best.

I don't believe the subsequent comments that you take issue with are specifically related to Liberals, but rather were solely anti-Conservative.

[reidjr]

Originally Posted by Ottawan

I somehow fail to see the arrogance, or using your phrase, the "high and mighty" nature of my simple request that people actually consider each party's platform and use that as a basis for casting their vote, merely confident that I feel this time the Liberal platform holds out the best.

I don't believe the subsequent comments that you take issue with are specifically related to Liberals, but rather were solely anti-Conservative.

I should have been more clear i was not talking about your remarks per say my point i am trying to make is most partys have issues sure maybe not as bad at this time as the consertives but still they have issues.

[adam-machiavelli]

reidjr,

I am sorry for accusing you of being a Conservative Party supporter. To accuse someone of your intelligence and whit is a very horrible thing. I just didn't understand the intent of your criticism.

[Ottawan]

The recent municipal election was full of surprises and changes to the Ottawa-area political landscape. Whether or not that is your desire, this election has the same potential transformative effect. It is exciting to see democracy in action, and to take part in it. All there is left to do is for everyone to make sure to exercise your right and responsibility as a citizen, and to go out and vote!

[reidjr]

Originally Posted by Ottawan

The recent municipal election was full of surprises and changes to the Ottawa-area political landscape. Whether or not that is your desire, this election has the same potential transformative effect. It is exciting to see democracy in action, and to take part in it. All there is left to do is for everyone to make sure to exercise your right and responsibility as a citizen, and to go out and vote!

I hope people will vote in large numbers and we see a change my hope is for a liberal majority.

[Kitchissippi]

The Ottawa Citizen's shoddy endorsements affirms why I never buy that paper anymore. I remember them endorsing a majority for the Mulroney government, too. I don't know why their editorial board feels like it has to openly show bias, as it really erodes the paper's credibility and polarizes readers.

[Cre47]

Considering, what happen in the Throne Speech yesterday, are we seeing a future PM? She would definitely get my support before Harper, Rae, Trudeau or even Layton, Dewar and Elizabeth May. This is the thing I like from this Canada, stand up against the nonsense in politics. If the youth movement can just continue to built in politics. By that time, I might be too old already.

[reidjr]

Originally Posted by Cre47

Considering, what happen in the Throne Speech yesterday, are we seeing a future PM? She would definitely get my support before Harper, Rae, Trudeau or even Layton, Dewar and Elizabeth May. This is the thing I like from this Canada, stand up against the nonsense in politics. If the youth movement can just continue to built in politics. By that time, I might be too old already.

As for non sense like it or not the people did speak and that is why harper has a majority.

[Ottawan]

Originally Posted by Cre47

Considering, what happen in the Throne Speech yesterday, are we seeing a future PM? She would definitely get my support before Harper, Rae, Trudeau or even Layton, Dewar and Elizabeth May. This is the thing I like from this Canada, stand up against the nonsense in politics. If the youth movement can just continue to built in politics. By that time, I might be too old already.

I was busy Friday and missed it. What exactly happened, and who is "she"?

[Cre47]

Originally Posted by Ottawan

I was busy Friday and missed it. What exactly happened, and who is "she"?

A 21-year old women who was actually working within the Canadian Senate as a page basically just showed her opposition to the Harper Regime by showing a Stop Harper sign. Nothing drastic but she got kicked out and fired and there are a lot of supporters praising her gutsy move and some are even wanting her to go for the PM job. I would support her for sure. And maybe that could be the next avater so maybe I will ditch the Captain Lights avatar soon. Note that on the youtube video below she looks a little bit like Lights.

During multiple interviews, she blasted the radical right-wing agenda of the Conservatives citing basically the same stuff I've been blasting them in this forum, the fancy jets, the jails, the big corporation tax cuts and the wars.

She also wrote article blasting the G8/G20 fiasco and the crime/youth policy. So she is known to be quite the activist too.

http://www.policyalternatives.ca/pub...g20-waste-time

http://www.policyalternatives.ca/pub...ner-city-youth


She also indicated that Conservative values are not Canadien values contrary to Stevie-o's statement said in the Citizen. She also cited that this country needed its version of Arab spring in reference to the protests against dictatorial regimes in Egypt, Libya, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Tunisia and Syria. And sure we want a mass load of protest in this country just like the Tea Party gang in the States against Obama.

Previously there was a video of her courtesy of TedxYouth Ottawa.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRU5lIus-Zg

BTW reidjr 75%+ of Canadians didn't voted for this crap anyways. Among those who voted it was over 60%. Time for electoral reform. Big time! Sick and tired of old politics. Lets go the German or Italian way proportionnal to mixed proportionnal.

[Cre47]

Meanwhile, Jason Kenney is expanding its list of controversies since being named Minister.

Immigration Minister Jason Kenney told Postmedia News DePape was a "lefty kook" and said it was unfortunate that the page program had been "shadowed" by Friday's event.

Well might as well call Don Cherry a right-wing "wacko".

[reidjr]

Originally Posted by Cre47

A 21-year old women who was actually working within the Canadian Senate as a page basically just showed her opposition to the Harper Regime by showing a Stop Harper sign. Nothing drastic but she got kicked out and fired and there are a lot of supporters praising her gutsy move and some are even wanting her to go for the PM job. I would support her for sure. And maybe that could be the next avater so maybe I will ditch the Captain Lights avatar soon. Note that on the youtube video below she looks a little bit like Lights.

During multiple interviews, she blasted the radical right-wing agenda of the Conservatives citing basically the same stuff I've been blasting them in this forum, the fancy jets, the jails, the big corporation tax cuts and the wars.

She also wrote article blasting the G8/G20 fiasco and the crime/youth policy. So she is known to be quite the activist too.

http://www.policyalternatives.ca/pub...g20-waste-time

http://www.policyalternatives.ca/pub...ner-city-youth


She also indicated that Conservative values are not Canadien values contrary to Stevie-o's statement said in the Citizen. She also cited that this country needed its version of Arab spring in reference to the protests against dictatorial regimes in Egypt, Libya, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Tunisia and Syria. And sure we want a mass load of protest in this country just like the Tea Party gang in the States against Obama.

Previously there was a video of her courtesy of TedxYouth Ottawa.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRU5lIus-Zg

BTW reidjr 75%+ of Canadians didn't voted for this crap anyways. Among those who voted it was over 60%. Time for electoral reform. Big time! Sick and tired of old politics. Lets go the German or Italian way proportionnal to mixed proportionnal.

Thats right and i was part of the 75% that did not vote for them but when people start comparing canada to the middle east i think thats going a bit far i am not saying page did but some posters on some messege boards have.I give page credit i think she means well but at the same time lets not get carried away making this into something much bigger then it really is.

[eternallyme]

Redistribution is underway, and Ontario has not yet been proposed, but other provinces have initial proposals made.

For the Ottawa area, here is how I would change the ridings:

Ottawa Centre - Add Sandy Hill and Lower Town. Remove Carleton Heights and all other areas west of Island Park and the Experimental Farm (use Island Park and Carling as the boundary to the O-Train line).

Ottawa East-Vanier - Remove the areas west of the Rideau River. Add Blackburn Hamlet and Cardinal Heights.

Ottawa South - No changes. If too large, maybe shift some extremities around (i.e. Billings Bridge, Uplands).

Ottawa West - Add the Carlington, Carleton Heights and Westboro portions of Ottawa Centre. Remove the parts in the former City of Nepean by aligning the western boundary to such.

Ottawa-Barrhaven - Renaming of Nepean-Carleton. Remove all areas north of Fallowfield, along with the former Townships of Osgoode and Rideau and the rural part of the former City of Gloucester that lies east of Hawthorne Road.

Ottawa-Kanata - New riding. It makes up the portions of Carleton-Mississippi Mills in the former City of Kanata, as well as the Stittsville area, that being bounded by Richardson Side Road, Spruce Ridge Road, a straight line down to Flelellyn and onward to Eagleson.

Ottawa-Nepean - New riding. It makes up the remaining parts of Ottawa West-Nepean that lie in the former City of Nepean, as well as the parts of Nepean-Carleton that lie north of Fallowfield.

Ottawa-Orleans - Remove the parts that lie in Blackburn Hamlet, Cardinal Heights and the rural part of southeast Gloucester (new southern boundary being the northern edge of Mer Bleue). Add the eastern fringes by realigning the boundary to Frank Kenny Road.

Rural ridings in eastern Ontario

Cornwall-Hawkesbury - Renaming of Stormont-Dundas-South Glengarry. Remove all of the former County of Dundas. Add North Glengarry and the part of Prescott-Russell east of The Nation and Alfred and Plantaganet (but not including them).

Dundas-Leeds-Grenville - New riding partially derived from Leeds-Grenville. Includes the areas in the former Counties of Grenville and Dundas, as well as the remainder of Leeds-Grenville, excluding Gananoque, Rideau Lakes and Leeds and the Thousand Islands.

Frontenac-Lakelands - Renaming of Lanark-Frontenac-Lennox and Addington. Remove all of the Lanark County portions. Add the Islands from Kingston and the Islands, County of Prince Edward, Leeds and the Thousand Islands, Gananoque and Rideau Lakes.

Kingston - Renaming of Kingston and the Islands. Remove all parts that do not lie in the City of Kingston.

Lanark-Carleton - Renaming of Carleton-Mississippi Mills. Remove the former City of Kanata and the Stittsville area. Add the remainder of Lanark County and the former Township of Rideau.

Renfrew-Nipissing-Pembroke - No changes.

Russell-Carleton - Renaming of Glengarry-Prescott-Russell. Remove the parts in Glengarry and east of The Nation and Alfred and Plantaganet (but keep those two municipalities plus Clarence-Rockland and Russell). Add the former Township of Osgoode and the rural portions of the former Cities of Gloucester and Cumberland that lie east of Hawthorne Road.

[eternallyme]

That layout means 2 new seats for Ottawa.

Most likely, in that hypothetical setup, John Baird would run in the safer Ottawa-Nepean, making Ottawa West an open seat and a horse race (maybe a three-way race!). I would think Gordon O'Connor would run in Ottawa-Kanata, Scott Reid in Lanark-Carleton and Frontenac-Lakelands would be an open seat (likely safe Conservative regardless).

Presumptive MP's if that was the lineup:

Ottawa Centre: Paul Dewar (safer NDP)
Ottawa East-Vanier: Mauril Belanger (little change)
Ottawa South: David McGuinty (no change)
Ottawa West: open (likely battleground seat)
Ottawa-Barrhaven: Pierre Poilievre (little change)
Ottawa-Kanata: Gordon O'Connor (somewhat more marginal but still solid Conservative)
Ottawa-Nepean: John Baird (safer Conservative)
Ottawa-Orleans: Royal Galipeau (slightly safer Conservative)

Cornwall-Hawkesbury: Guy Lauzon (little change)
Dundas-Leeds-Grenville: Gord Brown (little change)
Frontenac-Lakelands open (likely safe Conservative)
Kingston: Ted Hsu (safer Liberal)
Lanark-Carleton: Scott Reid (safer Conservative)
Renfrew-Nipissing-Pembroke: Cheryl Gallant (no change)
Russell-Carleton: Pierre Lemieux (little change)

[McC]

Edmonton and Calgary's proposed realignment looks like it rationalizes urban representation in both of those cities (Edmonton was notorious for "pie-slice" ridings with slivers of core appended to larger swaths of suburb and rural); but I wasn't actually expecting Ottawa to win out with new seats, figuring they'd all go to Greater Golden Horseshoe. But our population has grown too, and we have some big ridings, but nothing like the Brampton ridings with over 130K.

@eternallyme: Curious if you know what the population of your revised Ottawa Centre would be? At Census2006, it was just under 110K.

[eternallyme]

Originally Posted by McC

Edmonton and Calgary's proposed realignment looks like it rationalizes urban representation in both of those cities (Edmonton was notorious for "pie-slice" ridings with slivers of core appended to larger swaths of suburb and rural); but I wasn't actually expecting Ottawa to win out with new seats, figuring they'd all go to Greater Golden Horseshoe. But our population has grown too, and we have some big ridings, but nothing like the Brampton ridings with over 130K.

@eternallyme: Curious if you know what the population of your revised Ottawa Centre would be? At Census2006, it was just under 110K.

I think it would be slightly smaller, around 105,000. I just think the whole downtown area should be one riding. (Paul Dewar would love that I would think too, it makes it stronger for him).

I think Ottawa and the region will gain 2 seats in the whole math, the southwest 1 and the rest in the GGH. Likely one of the new seats, no matter what, would be a safe Conservative seat (in the outer suburban and rural areas), and the other would be a tough match, since they would have to seriously gerrymander to make it safe for anyone without impacting current ridings.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by eternallyme

I think it would be slightly smaller, around 105,000. I just think the whole downtown area should be one riding. (Paul Dewar would love that I would think too, it makes it stronger for him).

Actually, Lowertown and Sandy Hill would (everything else being equal) reduce the transposed NDP over Liberal margin in the rejiggied Ottawa Centre. The NDP has some good polls for it in those neighbourhoods, but even as late as 2008 Bélanger swept everything but the student ghetto.

[toaster]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

Actually, Lowertown and Sandy Hill would (everything else being equal) reduce the transposed NDP over Liberal margin in the rejiggied Ottawa Centre. The NDP has some good polls for it in those neighbourhoods, but even as late as 2008 Bélanger swept everything but the student ghetto.

Not sure what the hell your talking about? Seriously, do some research before you post BS like that. Most polls in the south-eastern portion of the riding went to Hache (NDP), who is basically a place-holder candidate who has run numerous times for the NDP. If they got a credible name who actually campaigned, they could have won.

Also, my source:

http://earth.smurfmatic.net/canada2011/polls/#35065