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[antinimby]

Please finesse away Norman.

[antinimby]

I am rooting for the No-action version.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by antinimby

I am rooting for the No-action version.

That's not gonna happen. It was already determined that the enclosure of the open space would have no adverse impact. But they could end up with a tower of similar height anyway, depending on where they go with the extra air rights.

[JMKeynes]

Originally Posted by PeterQM

Here are a few more Google Earth shots added to the story. This thing will be massive and probably taller once Foster finesses all this bulk. Shown is just a bit more than 1,400 feet btw.

I don’t think that there will be any finessing. I’m pretty sure that these are essentially the final product.

Both versions look better than 50 HY.

[Prezrezc]

To give you an idea here:

271P is most likely next to go; so we're looking at something as big as JPM.

The only thing about 245P that could save it is the fact that it was the last of the trio to rise (comp. 1967). Soby virtue of the date, any repurposing/retrofitting would porlly work best here.

Besides, the facade at least has a uniqueness to it.

[streetscaper]

https://www.cityrealty.com/nyc/marke...building/25461

[JMKeynes]

What an amazing city!!!!!

[chris08876]

I’ll just quote this from the city realty article that I found interesting:

In a statement, Foster said, “The building design is set to respond to its historic location as well as the heritage of JP Morgan, and we look forward to working with them to realise their vision for a new global headquarters for the company.”

Surely I hope its not soul crushing like other JP towers (Chase tower in Houston or 383 Madison Avenue).

But something that has qualities of some of the historical Park Ave structures would be nice.

I kinda wish Robert A.M. Stern designed this. But we shall see what Foster provides.

[JMKeynes]

Originally Posted by chris08876

... But we shall see what Foster provides.

I seriously believe that we have seen the two designs. Either of those (and likely, the 1,400' version) will rise. I'm happy with either. They're nicer than 50 HY, not as fat, and much taller. Foster is a hack, but these will be great towers.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by JMKeynes

I seriously believe that we have seen the two designs. Either of those (and likely, the 1,400' version) will rise. I'm happy with either. They're nicer than 50 HY, not as fat, and much taller. Foster is a hack, but these will be great towers.

What we have seen is the massing for the tower. The main details of course are what will make the design, but we've seen the basic outline. The only question is the ultimate height. It will be a bulky, massive office tower. But it doesn't overwhelm Vandy too much, and I think they will work well together.

[The North One]

Originally Posted by streetscaper

https://www.cityrealty.com/nyc/marke...building/25461

Jesus, is it really gonna be this fat? It's like MetLife on steroids.

[JMKeynes]

But I'm talking about the shape of the tower (including the number of setbacks, etc.). I think that these "massing models" depict almost precisely what it will look like from the outside.

There is no reason to believe that the shape of the towers will be anything different from what has been revealed thus far. I think that they're both decent towers.



https://newyorkyimby.com/2018/11/270...manhattan.html

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by JMKeynes

But I'm talking about the shape of the tower (including the number of setbacks, etc.). I think that these "massing models" depict almost precisely what it will look like from the outside.

There is no reason to believe that the shape of the towers will be anything different from what has been revealed thus far. I think that they're both decent towers.

Nobody is saying that the massing will change, although it certainly can. We're still almost two years away from this thing being under construction, and there are still options with more development rights. The massing that was depicted is where it stands now. But it gives us none of the design details of the tower.

[JMKeynes]

I’m quite pleased with this tower. All I’m saying is that this is very likely the shape that it will have. We’ve seen the design. I also suspect that the facade shown in the rendering of the plaza for the taller version is what we’ll get since Foster is intent on making it “respect” its neighbors.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by JMKeynes

I’m quite pleased with this tower. All I’m saying is that this is very likely the shape that it will have. We’ve seen the design. I also suspect that the facade shown in the rendering of the plaza for the taller version is what we’ll get since Foster is intent on making it “respect” its neighbors.

That was basically a rehash of the tower as it stands. We've only seen the massing (shape) as far as what the design entails, but the details will offer far more.

[chris08876]

Happens all the time. A general idea to give to the city planning, and the details follow later on. As we've all be seen, proposals are submitted to city planning, but once further revisions are added, and a project continues to develop in the design change, alterations are made. Sometimes, even the massing change.

I think we are all just very excited and impatient. I know I am (the suspense hurts).

[Prezrezc]

Oh, yes indeedy it will.

Don'r forget that this and 277 have the huge bases set apart from the main "shaft". 245's sits atop the podium, which isn't much wider.

And all three's ft^2'age are justabout equal.

[NYguy]

I like to compare it to 277, shown with the massing, for scale...

[JMKeynes]

Foster said that it will respect the nearby International towers, so the resemblance to 277 is to be expected. I think that the façade also will be very similar to those towers but glassier.

[Submariner]

Originally Posted by JMKeynes

Foster said that it will respect the nearby International towers, so the resemblance to 277 is to be expected. I think that the façade also will be very similar to those towers but glassier.

He said it would respect the character of the area. GCT and Helmsworth are right down the street...

But, I really wish Robert Stren were at the helm...Internationalism needs to die.