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[the urban politician]

^ I am responding to your post here, since I don't want another tangential discussion in our beloved Economy thread:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...208431&page=88

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by BrinChi

This is fascinating and, logically and anecdotally, it totally makes sense to me. $75-$100K is that income range where you can live comfortably, but around Chicago it's still going to be tough to put away much savings besides your 401K. You feel rich based on your salary but are shocked when your expenses quickly eat up your monthly income. If you're a family, health care costs keep going up and now your SALT taxes are going up plus they can't be deducted over 10K. You're going to be much more open to move to a low-tax state to keep living in the same size house (or bigger) + 2 cars at a lower cost. This income range also reflects people I've known who end up leaving the area due to the "high costs of Chicago."

This also fits into the narrative of the squeezed middle class.

There is most likely many reasons why but without much evidence it's hard to say all of them. Many other explanations can be there such as the fact that many households could be moving up income brackets who were previously at the $75K-$100K bracket, but now are above $100K.

[Vlajos]

Sorry, misread that one.

[the urban politician]

I would love to attend one of those high end art shows. If for no other reason than to sip champagne and to look like a highly civilized person.

[OrdoSeclorum]

Originally Posted by the urban politician

I would love to attend one of those high end art shows. If for no other reason than to sip champagne and to look like a highly civilized person.

You can! Most gallery openings are free, with free drinks. I went to both of the fairs last week with my wife's VIP ticket. I go with her every year and kind of hate it. But it's only $30 to get into Expo if you like. Good people watching, for sure.

[Baronvonellis]

Hmmm, that's interesting. I know about Art Basel in Miami, I didn't know Chicago had a art fair of that scope. I would have gone to it, not that I'm going to buy art at those prices. It would be fun to check out and people watch haha.

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by Baronvonellis

Hmmm, that's interesting. I know about Art Basel in Miami, I didn't know Chicago had a art fair of that scope. I would have gone to it, not that I'm going to buy art at those prices. It would be fun to check out and people watch haha.

One of.my cousins used to be the President of an art museum on the west coast. He was in Chicago at least twice a year for these shows buying stuff for the museum and himself.

[the urban politician]

Marothisu, I posted your 2018 ACS numbers as a thread in City Discussions, I felt it was very interesting.

Don't worry, I credited you

[the urban politician]

^ Your numbers for San Jose and SF confuse me. How can the >100k number be less than the >200k number?

[the urban politician]

^ Ok, I see, I think it’s confusing when you label the category as >$100k, that makes people assume that you mean everything over $100k. Probably would be better to label it as $100k-$200k instead

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by the urban politician

^ Ok, I see, I think it’s confusing when you label the category as >$100k, that makes people assume that you mean everything over $100k. Probably would be better to label it as $100k-$200k instead

Yeah I was also thinking it looks weird until looking again at the data.

[Skyguy_7]

^I’m pro-public transit, and very anti-NIMBY, but how could they forgo parking in both those proposals? The West Loop is an absolute nightmare for autos. I have to swing down there from the north burbs for meetings and it’s always a great ordeal. This goes against my being; but MORE PARKING PLEASE

[ardecila]

Originally Posted by Skyguy_7

^I’m pro-public transit, and very anti-NIMBY, but how could they forgo parking in both those proposals? The West Loop is an absolute nightmare for autos. I have to swing down there from the north burbs for meetings and it’s always a great ordeal. This goes against my being; but MORE PARKING PLEASE

OK, so I was at the meeting for 800 W Lake. Ald. Burnett said he will be pushing for a new L stop at Halsted to replace the one that was removed in the 90s.

I dunno if CTA will listen, since Morgan is only 1/4 mile away... this site isn't exactly a transit desert, and there are tons of areas in the city with a far greater need. But arguably, if Fulton Market is gonna be part of downtown, it deserves a downtown station spacing. Ideally they would have skipped Morgan in the first place, and built two stations at Racine and Halsted.

I also questioned the architect from GREC about saving the Hollenbach building on Lake... the proposed facades on the hotel podium are pretty generic, I don't know why they wouldn't save the beautiful facade they already have on site. GREC already did this with a similar historic building at the Ace Hotel. He said they were "still considering it"...

[aaron38]

Originally Posted by ardecila

OK, so I was at the meeting for 800 W Lake. Ald. Burnett said he will be pushing for a new L stop at Halsted to replace the one that was removed in the 90s … Ideally they would have skipped Morgan in the first place, and built two stations at Racine and Halsted.

At that spacing they could put a station at Elizabeth if the demand is ever there for it.

[k1052]

Originally Posted by ardecila

I dunno if CTA will listen, since Morgan is only 1/4 mile away... this site isn't exactly a transit desert, and there are tons of areas in the city with a far greater need. But arguably, if Fulton Market is gonna be part of downtown, it deserves a downtown station spacing. Ideally they would have skipped Morgan in the first place, and built two stations at Racine and Halsted.

This seems a little too close maybe. One thing that constantly irritates me about Morgan is that the secondary exits don't span to the next block east or have high barrier gate entries so you have to make an extra crossing and walk the full block.

[BrinChi]

Originally Posted by k1052

This seems a little too close maybe. One thing that constantly irritates me about Morgan is that the secondary exits don't span to the next block east or have high barrier gate entries so you have to make an extra crossing and walk the full block.

This irks me too. And they did the same thing with the new Washington/Wabash station too. When approaching from the south you have to walk all the way to the north part of the station. Why don't they use more turn-style entry points?

[rgarri4]

I would hate for cities to be designed in a way to accommodate car drivers who don't even live in the city. Part of why I love living here is because I haven't needed a car in 10 years. Improve public transit, design the city for people not cars!

[OrdoSeclorum]

Originally Posted by Skyguy_7

^I’m pro-public transit, and very anti-NIMBY, but how could they forgo parking in both those proposals? The West Loop is an absolute nightmare for autos. I have to swing down there from the north burbs for meetings and it’s always a great ordeal. This goes against my being; but MORE PARKING PLEASE

Parking CREATES traffic. If you add parking things will get worse, not better. PLUS the one thing we should never do is think about making our streets work better for people who are *driving in from the burbs*. I walk to Fulton Market and it's great. It would be much less great. Places that are good for cars are bad for people.

[Handro]

Originally Posted by OrdoSeclorum

Parking CREATES traffic. If you add parking things will get worse, not better. PLUS the one thing we should never do is think about making our streets work better for people who are *driving in from the burbs*. I walk to Fulton Market and it's great. It would be much less great. Places that are good for cars are bad for people.

I understand induced demand, but parking is SO limited in an area swelling with new residents, visitors, and workers that a sizable portion of the traffic there is probably people circling looking for a space.

People will drive always drive in Chicago--while we want to offer as many alternatives as possible, we'll never have the transit coverage of NYC.

[west-town-brad]

Originally Posted by Handro

I understand induced demand, but parking is SO limited in an area swelling with new residents, visitors, and workers that a sizable portion of the traffic there is probably people circling looking for a space.

People will drive always drive in Chicago--while we want to offer as many alternatives as possible, we'll never have the transit coverage of NYC.

the amazing transit coverage in NYC must be the reason for such little 24-hour automobile traffic there.