CHICAGO | General Discussions

[rgarri4]

Originally Posted by XxxX

- i know that the old buildings are protectet... i know this

- but there is a big difference ... between building a big glass building in the the front row of historical buildings or behind it...

- if i was a city council, i would prohibit big glass skyscrapers in the front row... and allow them only behind the old buildings... and in the front row i would only approve buildings with 1920, 30 architecture... like one bennet park

- you know what i mean ?

You must have hated when this and Essex went up.

[pianowizard]

Originally Posted by XxxX

now if destroy all old buildings in the front row and just build tall glass buildings instead... you will destroy this unique skyline forever... it will be just a another city with a big skyline

South Michigan Ave has mostly old buildings north of Essex on the Park, and mostly new buildings south of (and including) Essex on the Park. 1000M fits into this scheme very nicely, and complements NEMA et al. well. I agree that those old buildings need to be protected, but they are not at risk of being replaced, so please calm down!

[XxxX]

Originally Posted by sentinel

Which still aligns with my belief that 788' figure is the top of highest structural slab, seen in Nick's picture:



...and is where the previously shown 791' height that was in the section diagram from ChicagoYimby is located.

a 12' or taller mechanical and elevator penthouse is certainly possible, so I feel confident that the architectural top of this building is still 800'+

now we have this two ugly big things in the front row ...

[SnowFire]

I would be nice if they could have done a base like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearst_Tower_(Manhattan) but $$$ talks.

[Klippenstein]

Why can't I see the Masonic Temple in these old aerial photos? I wish it was more visible.

[marothisu]

2022 ACS came out the other day (1 year). While I take it with a big grain of salt, here's where Chicago (the city) stacks up against literally every place in America for increases of each racial group from 2021 to 2022

- Hispanic population: #2 in America
- Mixed Race population: #2
- Asian population: #4
- White (non Hispanic): 2nd to last place
- Black: last place (aka lost the most)
- Other: last place
- Native Hawaiian/American Indian: #17

The Census estimated that more non Hispanic white people moved out of the city than Black people moved. of course, take the ACS with a grain of salt but still interesting. There was 41,000 reduction of White non-Hispanic but 45,000 gain in Hispanic, Asian, and Mixed Race population.

[OrdoSeclorum]

Originally Posted by marothisu

2022 ACS came out the other day (1 year). While I take it with a big grain of salt, here's where Chicago (the city) stacks up against literally every place in America for increases of each racial group from 2021 to 2022

- Hispanic population: #2 in America
- Mixed Race population: #2
- Asian population: #4
- White (non Hispanic): 2nd to last place
- Black: last place (aka lost the most)
- Other: last place
- Native Hawaiian/American Indian: #17

The Census estimated that more non Hispanic white people moved out of the city than Black people moved. of course, take the ACS with a grain of salt but still interesting. There was 41,000 reduction of White non-Hispanic but 45,000 gain in Hispanic, Asian, and Mixed Race population.

If it's easy, I'd also be interested in knowing which cities lost and gained the most numbers of White and Black resident.

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by OrdoSeclorum

If it's easy, I'd also be interested in knowing which cities lost and gained the most numbers of White and Black resident.

NYC and Chicago are bottom 2 for both...lost the most. But NYC also lost a ton of Hispanic people and the most of any city . Apparently.

[OrdoSeclorum]

Originally Posted by marothisu

NYC and Chicago are bottom 2 for both...lost the most. But NYC also lost a ton of Hispanic people and the most of any city . Apparently.

Thanks for doing this. Interesting. I wonder how much of Chicago's white loss are retirees? Baby boom generation is probably at a peak retirement age right about now.

[galleyfox]

Originally Posted by OrdoSeclorum

Thanks for doing this. Interesting. I wonder how much of Chicago's white loss are retirees? Baby boom generation is probably at a peak retirement age right about now.

My impression is that the white loss is primarily in the Northwest and Southwest bungalow belt neighborhoods.


There’s definitely a loss of white parents and children, along with a good chunk of people about to retire.

The household incomes of the people leaving seem too low for the Lincoln Park/Lakeview area. And there’s quite a lot of single mothers among them.

Together with strong Hispanic and Asian growth, several of whom have good incomes…

I would imagine there’s a major demographic transition underway in Jefferson Park, Dunning, Belmont Cragin, Bridgeport ,ect.

White parents wanting to transfer to a suburban school, selling to Hispanic and Asian families using the proceeds from the housing appreciation of the past few years.





Ages 0-19: -13,159
Ages 20-34: -1,466
Ages 35-54: -17,484
Ages 55+: -7,950



Married Household

2021: 158,426
2022: 149,719

Female Household

2021: 25,465
2022: 18,671

Non-family Household - Lives Alone

2021: 260,591
2022: 269,630

Non-family Household - Roommates

2021: 70,077
2022: 69,598

[galleyfox]

It’s a bit wild to see Texas-like numbers suddenly appearing in Chicago’s Hispanic household estimates.

Households with a Hispanic Householder

Chicago

2022: 260,927
2021: 244,664
2019: 231,394
2018: 230,411
2017: 218,636
2016: 224,226
2015: 221,248
2014: 220,364
2013: 211,457
2012: 209,162
2011: 209,527

2021-2022: +16,263
2019-2021: +13,270
2018-2019: +993
2017-2018: +11,775
2016-2017: -5,590
2015-2016: +2,978
2014-2015: +894
2013-2014: +8,907
2012-2013: +2,295
2011-2012: -365


Houston

2022: 353,597
2021: 334,267
2019: 319,471
2018: 303,258
2017: 291,299
2016: 311,344
2015: 297,541
2014: 289,993
2013: 276,726
2012: 260,228
2011: 257,799

2021-2022: +19,330
2019-2021: +14,796
2018-2019: +16,213
2017-2018: +11,959
2016-2017: -20,045
2015-2016: +13,803
2014-2015: +7,548
2013-2014: +13,267
2012-2013: +16,498
2011-2012: +2,429

[SIGSEGV]

and with the stroke of a pen...

[marothisu]

https://apnews.com/article/biden-imm...5f420001248b06

[ChiMIchael]

I'm kinda glad I'm hearing this side the the migrant issue because the people at my job are P-I-S-S-E-D. In a nutshell, they don't like having the compete with the migrants for resources.

[twister244]

Originally Posted by ChiMIchael

I'm kinda glad I'm hearing this side the the migrant issue because the people at my job are P-I-S-S-E-D. In a nutshell, they don't like having the compete with the migrants for resources.

My beef is the the entire bureaucratic process and how convoluted it has become over the past century. On one hand, I don't think we should be ok with hundreds of thousands of people just pouring across the border, then leaving it to local officials to figure it out. That just creates headaches for everyone, and feeds criticisms coming from the right. We are seeing this right now with massive budget shortfalls being fueled by the migrant crisis. It's a problem that has been dumped on the doorstep of major cities. All this is doing is pissing people off on both sides of the aisle.

On the other hand, immigration can be very healthy, as the very existence of the Chicago Hot Dog shows..... I would much rather have a streamlined efficient process that takes advantage of new technologies and massive data mining to help expedite the process of determining who exactly is coming across the border.

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by twister244

My beef is the the entire bureaucratic process and how convoluted it has become over the past century. On one hand, I don't think we should be ok with hundreds of thousands of people just pouring across the border, then leaving it to local officials to figure it out. That just creates headaches for everyone, and feeds criticisms coming from the right. We are seeing this right now with massive budget shortfalls being fueled by the migrant crisis. It's a problem that has been dumped on the doorstep of major cities. All this is doing is pissing people off on both sides of the aisle.

On the other hand, immigration can be very healthy, as the very existence of the Chicago Hot Dog shows..... I would much rather have a streamlined efficient process that takes advantage of new technologies and massive data mining to help expedite the process of determining who exactly is coming across the border.

In reality this is nothing new. LOADS of immigrants poured into especially NYC in thr late 19th and early 20th centuries. The attitude towards them was not much different than today. Lower East Side in Manhattan used to be a German enclave - and many Jews but they were more middle and upper class. Most of them moved to Upper East Side or Bronx, with similar attitudes we see today from some people today. They didn't want to be around it and many opposed it pretty much. In the long run, the outcome of that immigration did a ton for the US but it wasn't apparent right away as many people immigrating were dirt.poor and uneducated (like my family). There is a whole history on this and even steeped in prejudice and why wr have immigration quotas today, and a lot more.

The difference is that the US and local governments didn't tell them they had to wait to work. Most, like my family, could work.right away.

But I do agree it puts stress on local governments and isn't good but this is the result of decades old federal government work permit policy

[twister244]

All good points..... And it's not like Chicago doesn't have the room to accommodate people. Shit, if anything, In the long run, this could be something to spark some rejuvenation in parts of the South side. The thought of having a South American cultural enclave embedded somewhere on the South side sounds like a really cool thing. We have a sizeable Mexican presence across parts of the city, but (correct me if I'm wrong), there isn't nearly a S. American presence here.

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by twister244

All good points..... And it's not like Chicago doesn't have the room to accommodate people. Shit, if anything, In the long run, this could be something to spark some rejuvenation in parts of the South side. The thought of having a South American cultural enclave embedded somewhere on the South side sounds like a really cool thing. We have a sizeable Mexican presence across parts of the city, but (correct me if I'm wrong), there isn't nearly a S. American presence here.

Honestly, I have no problems with it. I feel a personal connection to these refugees. My family escaped and survived literal mass murder in their town, their house getting burned down 3 times, and also getting bombed in a field by the army. And also sleeping in hollow graves during winter to evade capture and sleeping in thr barns of farmers who secretly took them (and many others like my family in) just so they could walk to another country to get on a boat to come to the US. Because this was better than what they were subjected to where they were living. This is not much different than what's going on with some of these refugees in essence. The difference is my.family was from Europe. There was shit along their way -- some in the federal government used people like my family as an example of "dirty, poor uneducated people" to call for immigration quotas and stop letting people in. Well guess what? Out of that part of my family came many successful business owners, doctors, lawyers, etc. Even a UN ambassador to multiple central and South American countries came out of this side of my family. They came here with almost $0 - just a dream to escape from the violence where they came.from. And they were able to get on their feet because the fucking federal government didn't block them for months or years on end to legally work. Unlike what's happening for decades.

My wife came.to America a decade or.so ago and is now a citizen. I work with and employ many people here on visa or green card. The federal government makes it near impossible for anyone to even be here. We are a capitalist country and yet people cry at "immigrants stealing my job." Sorry but if you are for capitalism then you have no reason to bitch about that part.

But the key thing is our attitudes to immigration and federal policy has put unnecessary strain on local governments and other organizations to foot a bill because they cannot even legally work for literal months and potentially over a year or 2.

[galleyfox]

Originally Posted by twister244

All good points..... And it's not like Chicago doesn't have the room to accommodate people. Shit, if anything, In the long run, this could be something to spark some rejuvenation in parts of the South side. The thought of having a South American cultural enclave embedded somewhere on the South side sounds like a really cool thing. We have a sizeable Mexican presence across parts of the city, but (correct me if I'm wrong), there isn't nearly a S. American presence here.

With all due respect to the South side… immigration is their only hope.

Even assuming that nobody moves to the suburbs, to other neighborhoods, or to other cities (impossible), there is barely enough youth population to make up for the current number of elderly residents.

There would need to be a mass migration from Detroit, St. Louis, or the South, and that’s just not happening.

There’s no restoring South side neighborhoods without more population. Even wealthy households remaining at the current population would struggle to support retail.



Black Alone - B01001B ACS
Total: 736,230

0-4: 40,255
5-14: 90,815
15-24: 90,755
25-34: 114,529
35-44: 92,722
45-54: 88,045
55-64: 93,558
65-74: 75,258
75-84: 36,709
85+: 13,584

<17: 158,996
65+: 125,551

[galleyfox]

Originally Posted by twister244

On the other hand, immigration can be very healthy, as the very existence of the Chicago Hot Dog shows..... I would much rather have a streamlined efficient process that takes advantage of new technologies and massive data mining to help expedite the process of determining who exactly is coming across the border.

Legal immigration to the U.S. has become borderline impossible over the past few years. I’ve even seen wealthy company owners get denied, it’s so bad. And yet, most of the country is at record low unemployment rates, with some areas losing population.

Water flows downhill. Air fills the vacuum.

We can hardly be shocked that otherwise normal people from a collapsing country think the dangerous journey is worth it under the current circumstances.

My most radical opinion is that American immigration has been running too low for almost a century, and a lot of the country’s pathologies are linked to that.

There hasn’t been enough immigration from the usual entry ports to make it far past the coast to areas that need people, or for communities to establish themselves in more affordable areas.

This country has forgotten what real growth looks like.