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Originally Posted by NYguy
And not a single one of you has explained a valid reason why other than it's not moving on your terms. There's nothing special about this office tower other than the height. You can repeat it as much as you like, but it's nonsense.
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lol past experience with other developments
alone is enough valid reason to not be 1000000% confident in this proposal. Jesus
I'm not lamenting the timeline, I'm concerned about potential design changes (value engineering)
Past experience should also teach me that you won't understand my position yet again though and that there's no use in arguing this point ad nauseam lol
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Well you see, that's why there is a PROPOSAL section and a CONSTRUCTION section. NOTHING is guaranteed to be built until it IS.
But again, you people still seem to think that things move on YOUR time, and that's just ridiculous. 15 Penn Plaza was approved 15 years ago. How's it going? 3 Hudson Yards was around so long people have already forgotten it once went by the name of Girasole. 2 WTC has seen multiple designs. We're still sitting at street level. But at least 4 WTC now has a plan to get built. BTW, how's that one rising? Even smaller projects like 415 Madison haven't managed to get out of the ground. 343 Madison has been around forever. They finally got it approved, and they say they will build on spec. They say. But somehow THIS is the tower that won't get built. Sure. Tell me more. I can never understand the rationale some of you have that everything that CAN and WILL be built in New York City must ALL be built at the same time, and TODAY. That's not how it works. And that's not how it has ever worked. And it's not going to start working like that now. If you don't have the patience or fortitude to wait out developments, then perhaps this isn't for you. But it gets very annoying looking at what amounts to the kid in the back seat saying "are we there yet?" No. We're not there. And we'll get there when we will.
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I, for one, don't care about the timeline. I'm super confident something massive will be built here.....eventually. Whether it's tomorrow or 5 years from now, something's going up here. I'm much more concerned about the height and design being more or less maintained. That, I (and many of us) have much less confidence in. How many times has 15 Penn changed its design lol?
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