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View Poll Results: Who has the more positive vision for Canada's future?
Mark Carney's Liberals 176 73.95%
Pierre Poilievre's Conservatives 62 26.05%
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I guess Build.It is a renter who is preparing for the inevitable housing crash so he can get into the market at a 50% discount. He also assumes his livelyhood will remain identical today while the entire economy crashes around him leading to that housing crash.
     
     
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Carney certainly has qualifications up the ying-yang but that does not mean he is a shrewd politician nor electable. Since when do qualifications have anything to do with being able to get elected? Don't take my word for it, just go ask Trudeau.

No one could forsee a nutcase like Trump getting elected, little alone twice, but that said, Canada has put itself into this position. We have tied our trade and standard of living to the elephant in the room for far too long and neglected other countries and even our own. Hell, right now we have freer trade with Mexico than we do with each province. We have built most of our physical infrastructure in a north/south direction but not one that actually connects Canadians to themselves. Then, to make matters much worse, we have created an economy that is not based upon productivity gains thru technology or upgrading the skills of Canadians but rather by importing cheap labour and basing all our economic growth on highly unproductive real estate flipping.

Over the course of many decades and from parties of all stripes, we have painted ourselves into this corner and it's going to take a monumental effort to get us out but, quite unlike previous decades, time is no longer on our side.
     
     
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I'm a renter, though I was initially hoping to buy later this year.

Housing prices here are pretty stable so it doesn't make sense as an investment.

I work in healthcare, so a tariff war doesn't directly impact me. A tariff war would be a disaster for the province's bottom line, so healthcare cuts in 2026 and beyond is a real threat to my livelihood.

Our biggest industrial plants in town do major business with the US (oil refinery and steel production). The community as a whole would get punched by Trump.
     
     
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So based on your personal situation, what Carney has done is in his career so far, and is likely to do if he became PM, and your professional expertise, it is absolutely in your best interest to support Carney. I would probably want him to win as well if I were you. At least be honest about the reason though.
This and the rest of your post is pure rubbish, but if you think I would vote somebody because...maybe my house would go up in value (along with every other house, which is tantamount to no increase at all...my family has to live somewhere) you are mistaken. Also, when Harper was PM, he did absolutely nothing to rein in housing prices. It is partly a baked in Canada issue; but it is also the product of much larger macroeconomic and social trends that are having similar effects in many other markets.

You can't handle someone contradicting you on things like "Carney is anti-capitalist" so you make unfounded assumptions about other people's motives for why they might prefer MC over PP. I don't need to read this stuff. If you have a personal vendetta, PM me. Maybe better, just stop making stuff up.
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Carney certainly has qualifications up the ying-yang but that does not mean he is a shrewd politician nor electable. Since when do qualifications have anything to do with being able to get elected? Don't take my word for it, just go ask Trudeau.

No one could forsee a nutcase like Trump getting elected, little alone twice, but that said, Canada has put itself into this position. We have tied our trade and standard of living to the elephant in the room for far too long and neglected other countries and even our own. Hell, right now we have freer trade with Mexico than we do with each province. We have built most of our physical infrastructure in a north/south direction but not one that actually connects Canadians to themselves. Then, to make matters much worse, we have created an economy that is not based upon productivity gains thru technology or upgrading the skills of Canadians but rather by importing cheap labour and basing all our economic growth on highly unproductive real estate flipping.

Over the course of many decades and from parties of all stripes, we have painted ourselves into this corner and it's going to take a monumental effort to get us out but, quite unlike previous decades, time is no longer on our side.
The interprovincial trade barrier stuff gets brought up a lot, and perhaps we'll finally do something about it, but I can't help but feel its just more lip service. Even if the provinces could agree on something, there are hundreds of quasi governmental organizations in each province that will fight tooth and nail to prevent this because getting rid of these barriers would take away their reason for existing.
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The interprovincial trade barrier stuff gets brought up a lot, and perhaps we'll finally do something about it, but I can't help but feel its just more lip service. Even if the provinces could agree on something, there are hundreds of quasi governmental organizations in each province that will fight tooth and nail to prevent this because getting rid of these barriers would take away their reason for existing.
Federal government after federal government has been afraid to lower the boom. Maybe a flat out national crisis will help them to grow some cojos.
     
     
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Mark Carney is the definition of a "technocrat".

And honestly, I don't hate that.

It tends not to do well in elections however. Populism wins elections these days, not having a good resume.
Carney doesn't have a resume, he's a banker and not a real politician. If Carney wins, that's populism.
     
     
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Carney doesn't have a resume, he's a banker and not a real politician. If Carney wins, that's populism.
What? He doesn't have a resume? What is a "real politician"?
     
     
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Looks like I hit a nerve. Someone had to point out your obvious bias and hypocrisy. You are completely blind to it and it's extremely irritating.


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Federal government after federal government has been afraid to lower the boom. Maybe a flat out national crisis will help them to grow some cojos.
Wouldn't lowering the boom require a re writing of the constitution? Hard to see any changes being made without provincial buy in.
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Wouldn't lowering the boom require a re writing of the constitution? Hard to see any changes being made without provincial buy in.
Trade and commerce, including interprovincial trade, is the exclusive jurisdiction of the federal government under S.91(2).
     
     
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What? He doesn't have a resume? What is a "real politician"?
A glorified accountant is not a politician. Poilievre is more of a politician than Carney is. Regardless, I am not concerned at all about his lack of experience in this field. Simply saying that populism would be with Carney rather than with Poilievre.
     
     
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I’d bet this means no more spring election… Singh just indicated he’s willing to work with the Liberals in parliament on tariff relief when parliament resumes.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/singh-liberal-tariff-relief-1.7443908
     
     
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A glorified accountant is not a politician. Poilievre is more of a politician than Carney is. Regardless, I am not concerned at all about his lack of experience in this field. Simply saying that populism would be with Carney rather than with Poilievre.
You do yourself no favours ...
     
     
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You do yourself no favours ...
Wow, you sure showed me on that one. Good job gramps!
     
     
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Carney is seen as part of the Elite Class working for Goldman, Brookfield, etc. while appointed to numerous Global Policy Groups and committees. No doubt he is definitely Establishment.

Cannot be a populist by the current concept in politics.
     
     
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Poilievre is more of a politician than Carney is.
Well, yeah, because Poilievre has no experience at all other than being a politician.
     
     
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Well, yeah, because Poilievre has no experience at all other than being a politician.
Is there another type that you are supposed to elect in? We've been doing this for centuries. Is there a problem with this now? Seems like all of a sudden it's a problem.
     
     
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I’d bet this means no more spring election… Singh just indicated he’s willing to work with the Liberals in parliament on tariff relief when parliament resumes.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/singh-liberal-tariff-relief-1.7443908
What a lapdog he is.
     
     
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I won’t be surprised if the decision to prorogue the parliament comes back to haunt the liberals during the election.
That’ll be quite some ammunition at PP’s and YFB’s disposal.

If LPC doesn’t wrap up the leadership race and reconvene before the tariffs are in effect, the attack ads will write themselves.
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