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Old Posted Jun 13, 2023, 2:17 PM
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20 might work, but realistically nothing higher than the Chateau Laurier would be built, I'm afraid..
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And the process of casting the market district into a massive shadow begins.
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I can't imagine anything this tall being built here.
No need to imagine anymore, it will happen.
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No need to imagine anymore, it will happen.
I love your enthusiasm, but again, literally zero chance.

Open the NCC's Capital Core Area Sector Plan and search for the word 'Height' and see just how many different ways it is said that this parcel will not have a building taller than 20 stories on it.

Out of curiosity, do you actually want a tall building here looming over the Chateau Laurier and Parliament? I can't think of a worse place for a tall building in this city.

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This seems like borderline aggressive name calling. I don't see the need to pigeonhole any of our members in this forum. I, for one, constantly change my opinions about a development. I can flip flop three times in three pages, and I'm proud of that. I'm not beholden to one opinion, nor should any of us be on discussion forum...our opinions are constantly evolving. I love how we calmly debate and discuss, share opinions, and learn from each other on SSP Ottawa. I would never go back through a fellow member's post history in order to call them out and accuse them of being an acronym we consider negatively on this forum. No need for it. Frankly, it's quite rude and unnecessary. I'm not sure what you get out of this kind of tone and behaviour, but I for one don't appreciate it.

Edit: I just did a quick scan of J.OT13's comments in the 979 Wellington for examples of so called 'NIMBYism' , and I see no 'NIMBYism'. He was fighting the exact same fight I always fight. If we are going to new heights in this city, especially in prominent locations, we need to demand at least a modicum of quality design. They wanted an exception to go tall, cheap, and ugly in a spot that would form a visual gateway. No thanks. I guess you can pigeonhole me as a NIMBY too.
That site was by the official plan exactly where the city wanted high density development. The zoning that both you and jot are referring to is not relevant because again it's out of date. Fighting housing here and fighting the results of the official plan is nimbyism.

The fight for better design is of your personal opinion, not really relevant to whether or not a site within 400 meters should be allowed to be built higher then 9 stories... Which again shouldn't be something up for discussion in a housing emergency.

Lastly, if devs could actually do whatever they wanted that discussion wouldn't have happened as it would have just been built to whatever height the dev wanted, but the city and local nimbys balked and instead it got cut down. We would also not be having a discussion on whether 20+ stories got built on this site....

P.S I didn't go back through their comment history that was from memory....
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I love your enthusiasm, but again, literally zero chance.

Open the NCC's Capital Core Area Sector Plan and search for the word 'Height' and see just how many different ways it is said that this parcel will not have a building taller than 20 stories on it.

Out of curiosity, do you actually want a tall building here looming over the Chateau Laurier and Parliament? I can't think of a worse place for a tall building in this city.

https://ncc-website-2.s3.amazonaws.c...th_Maps_LR.pdf
I was kidding, like I said before; I'd prefer higher but I doubt we get more than 16-18 floors. Don't even think we'll get the full 20 that's allowable.
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50 Rideau Street - Former Chapters

NCC acquires former home of Chapters bookstore on Rideau Street

David Sali, OBJ
January 16, 2024 3:29 PM ET




The former home of the Rideau Street Chapters bookstore has been sold to the National Capital Commission.

The NCC confirmed Tuesday it has purchased the building at 47-57 Rideau St. but did not disclose the sale price.

In an email to OBJ on Tuesday, an NCC spokesperson called the building a “landmark property,” adding it was purchased “because it is considered part of the National Interest Land Mass (NILM) due to its prominent location along Confederation Boulevard, and its potential to bring new life to this area of the downtown core.”

The Crown corporation said it is “actively engaged in confidential discussions with a proponent” and expects to provide further details “in the coming weeks.”

Chapters occupied the building from 1996 until 2022, when parent company Indigo Books & Music moved it to a smaller location across the street at the Rideau Centre.

According to CBRE, which brokered the deal, the building’s previous owner was a Quebec-based entity that’s connected to an “international” company. The two-storey structure, which includes about 42,000 square feet of space above ground and 19,000 square feet below grade, was put on the market last April.

While the site has been a major component of downtown Ottawa’s retail landscape for decades, one leading commercial broker told OBJ last year he thinks the property could find new life as part of a much larger mixed-use development.

Michael Church, the managing director of Avison Young’s Ottawa office, called the former Chapters space a “prime” site for a highrise multi-residential project.

“There’s got to be an opportunity there,” Church said in an interview last June. “I would have to think that the buyer of that is going to be a build-to-suit apartment or condo user in the future.”

Business leaders view the Rideau Street corridor as an important element of a broader campaign to revitalize the city’s core after downtown office towers hollowed out amid the shift to hybrid work during the pandemic.

Last week, a task force consisting of developers, real estate executives, BIA heads and other community leaders issued a report urging governments and the private sector to work together to find new uses for aging downtown buildings such as L’Esplanade Laurier, the Jackson Building and the current main branch of the Ottawa Public Library.

As the city looks to create more “15-minute neighbourhoods” where people can live within walking distance of transit and amenities such as shopping and restaurants, properties like the former Chapters building could be part of the solution.

Church said that while the site is well-suited to ground-floor retail, he believes the next owner of the property will see even more opportunities looking skyward.

“You’ll have that kind of a (retail) flavour to it, but I’ve got to think it’s residential above at some point,” he said.

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it actually sounds worse then a possible Claridge tower. according to the article "...the Crown corporation will be seeking tenants. The NCC says it is actively engaged in "confidential discussions with a proponent" and expects to be able to provide further details "in the coming weeks." which tells me they are just gonna lease the current space instead of demolishing this ugly building and building something new and higher then 2 stories. I could be reading this wrong tho but that was my reaction after reading this.
It wasn't always ugly. It used to be brick.


https://urbsite.blogspot.com/2012/05...o-archive.html

Before that, it was two smaller three storey buildings.


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During the NCC Board Meeting Tobi Nussbaum mentionned that the NCC was in talk with a Entertainment and hospitality group to lease the former Chapters on Rideau and transform it into an event venue. More details coming at the April meeting

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During the NCC Board Meeting Tobi Nussbaum mentionned that the NCC was in talk with a Entertainment and hospitality group to lease the former Chapters on Rideau and transform it into an event . More details coming at the April meeting
Rec Room? Since they were botted out of Lansdowne?
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Rec Room? Since they were botted out of Lansdowne?
Dan Aykroyd House of Blues.
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Dan Aykroyd House of Blues.
That would be an insanely good win for Ottawa...
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Dan Aykroyd House of Blues.
I feel like you're saying this with extreme confidence. Inside information?
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Ex-Chapters/Indigo property could be transformed into event centre, NCC says
The National Capital Commission is negotiating a lease with a proponent "in the hospitality and entertainment industry" for 47-57 Rideau St.

Marlo Glass, Ottawa Citizen
Published Jan 25, 2024 • Last updated 29 minutes ago • 1 minute read


A prominent building in downtown Ottawa that was once home to a bookstore could be turning the page and transforming into an event centre.

Tobi Nussbaum, chief executive officer of the National Capital Commission, said Thursday that the commission was negotiating a lease agreement with a proponent “involved in the hospitality and entertainment industry” to develop an event venue at 47-57 Rideau St., near the intersection of Rideau and Sussex Drive.

Nussbaum said it would be premature to identify the other party, but added he was “encouraged with the discussions we’ve had thus far” in negotiating a potential lease.

The NCC confirmed earlier in January it had purchased the building at 47-57 Rideau St. for an undisclosed price, calling it a “landmark property in the heart of the national capital.”

A Chapters/Indigo bookstore occupied the space for 26 years until 2022, when it moved to a smaller space inside the Rideau Centre. The building has been vacant since, its windows lined with a prominent “For Lease” sign.

Nussbaum said the building had been purchased because it was considered part of the National Interest Land Mass due to its prominent location next to Confederation Boulevard. He added it had “potential to bring new life to this area of the downtown core.”

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Created it's own thread. What comes next should be interesting.

I had suggested Rec Room, which probably lost it's place at Lansdowne, but Marcus is suggesting House of Blues, which is owned by Live Nation, who pulled out of Lansdowne. Dan Akroyd being from Ottawa, there's an interesting connection there.
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I feel like you're saying this with extreme confidence. Inside information?
No. Just wishful thinking and vision. If Ottawa wants to create more night life and bring people back to the core they need to start to think big. If Ottawa had more mid size nightclub/ venue then they could draw in more touring acts. There are alot of good artists out there that have large cult niche followings that could easily draw in 500 to 1k people. The Bronson center might be filling some of this market but it is not a night club.

Ottawa is the home of Bluesfest and The Rainbow bistro is Iconic in its own way but since we are now a city of over 1 million it is time for something larger.
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No. Just wishful thinking and vision. If Ottawa wants to create more night life and bring people back to the core they need to start to think big. If Ottawa had more mid size nightclub/ venue then they could draw in more touring acts. There are alot of good artists out there that have large cult niche followings that could easily draw in 500 to 1k people. The Bronson center might be filling some of this market but it is not a night club.

Ottawa is the home of Bluesfest and The Rainbow bistro is Iconic in its own way but since we are now a city of over 1 million it is time for something larger.
Time will tell, but I don't think they're considering a nightclub when they say "event centre".
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No. Just wishful thinking and vision. If Ottawa wants to create more night life and bring people back to the core they need to start to think big. If Ottawa had more mid size nightclub/ venue then they could draw in more touring acts. There are alot of good artists out there that have large cult niche followings that could easily draw in 500 to 1k people. The Bronson center might be filling some of this market but it is not a night club.

Ottawa is the home of Bluesfest and The Rainbow bistro is Iconic in its own way but since we are now a city of over 1 million it is time for something larger.
I'll be very happy to be proven wrong but a bar or nightclub seems very unlikely something the NCC is brining in. Honestly I'd be happy with bowling or something like that but NCC's track record would be something even less exciting (and trafficked) than that. Somehow it'll be something only open twice a week for example.
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I'll be very happy to be proven wrong but a bar or nightclub seems very unlikely something the NCC is brining in. Honestly I'd be happy with bowling or something like that but NCC's track record would be something even less exciting (and trafficked) than that. Somehow it'll be something only open twice a week for example.
Bowling? That building would be particularly well suited for bowling with its long and narrow shape. Anyone know if it has a basement level?
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I’m not sure how much we can read into the specific wording used
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. . .proponent “involved in the hospitality and entertainment industry” to develop an event venue at 47-57 Rideau St.
So, what does the ‘Hospitality and Entertainment Industry’ supply?

According to Investment Bank https://investmentbank.com/hospitali...ndustry-intro/
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The hospitality and entertainment industry is a service-based super sector that provides recreational activities and offers accommodations to a large volume of patrons[1]. The activities within the industry are segmented into the “arts, entertainment, and recreation” and “accommodations and food services” industries.
So, it is really wide open. Preforming arts; Spectator Sports; Museums; Portrait Gallery; Go-Cart Racing; Trampoline Park; Casino; Gym; Hotel; Homeless Shelter; Restaurant; Bar; etc.

However, we might narrow the field somewhat by keying on the term “event venue”. This is a term that I associate with large, open, rooms, where various events can configure the space to their individual needs – like the Congress Centre, or the E-Y Centre. There are also a number of smaller ‘Event and Conference Centres’ throughout the city, where wedding receptions, or the like, can be held. Of course, an ‘event venue’ can be more for a specific purpose, like the NAC, or Dominion-Charlmers United Church.

My bet would be big, open, spaces. The existing building is not particularly big, and it is divided into two stories. Not ideal for stadium seating for a concert hall. Perhaps it will be divided so that there is some public function on the ground floor (maybe the long-rumored Portrait Gallery for 'National Significance'?), with a large meeting space on the second floor; for event leasing.

I doubt that it will become a downtown casino – even though Watson is no longer in command.
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