Relevé Ottawa [400 Albert St] | 78/98m | 23/29f | U/C

[Harley613]

Originally Posted by DTcrawler

Regardless of impact on the skyline, the quality of architecture alone is enough to garner much excitement for this project. And as JHikka mentioned, this project, along with Moon, will play a big role in stretching the vibrancy from the eastern part of the CBD further west and hopefully into Lebreton/Zibi in the near future.

Also, I'm hopeful that the 35 storey tower will get underway soon. When it was still in M+M's hands, wasn't it due to be the first one to go up as Phase I? Perhaps someone could fact check me on that. And if ownership has changed hands, the new owners wouldn't be collecting any revenue from the shorter two towers once those are built, so it wouldn't make much sense to sit on this one for too long.

It might be the hotel component of the largest tower that is delaying the project. Still too many unknowns with the covid situation.

[SL123]

Originally Posted by Harley613

While I'm super excited to see these two go up, they will be almost completely lost in the clump. Only the third tower, and only if it is 35 not 33 stories, can make a real impact on the skyline.

I disagree slightly. Coming towards the east from the west end on Albert and probably even from the SJAM the two smaller tower will have a major impact on the skyline. there's literally a whole block between slater and Albert that is just 2 storeys houses

[UrbOttawa]

Bumping this post as it's relevant again. With the shorter two towers it looks like it will still have an impact from the south, west and to a lesser extent the north. Although in that shot from wellington/portage they will probably be covered by the cathedral hill tower U/C

Originally Posted by UrbOttawa

I was curious about how this would look from different views so I modelled it up and added it to google earth. Heights and footprints are fairly accurate. It's quite prominent from a lot of different views which is great to see, the claridge buildings fortunately don't obscure it too much.













And just for fun with the previous massing of trinity bayview

[Harley613]

If only there was a 40+ story tower in this plan. The great clump would finally be broken.

[AuxTown]

It may not be the dramatic skyline changing tower we all want but it will serve an important purchase. It (along with Claridge) will bump our skyline further west and finally place PDVC where it belongs, as a quality international-style filler in our skyline rather than the focus of attention from almost every angle. Looking forward to this one

[Harley613]

I'm just worried about the lack of available lots in Centretown. The chances of a clump-breaker are dwindling. I'm all for the taller developments in TOD's, but the clump needs a hero. Hopefully the Technical High School lands become available soon...

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by Harley613

Hopefully the Technical High School lands become available soon...

There's an open lot across the street to the south that should be developed eventually - between Slater and Laurier, west side of Bay. I'm assuming Technical HS also owns this land?

It's an aside but it would be interesting if these denser developments moved further west past Bronson and down Primrose towards Booth. Otherwise we're looking at densifying and replacing homes east of Bronson and north of Somerset - Lisgar, Cooper, Nepean streets west of Bank. Doubt many of those are replaced any time soon.

[Harley613]

Aside from the Technical HS, 272 Queen St. and the empty lot at the corner of Bank and Slater are really the only other lots available for a Clump-breaker unless you move further South. I wonder about Centennial Public School though, it's a huge chunk of land and that school is decrepit....

[OTSkyline]

I've officially lost faith in an interesting skyline or any type of height in our CBD. It's not going to happen, the only thing we can hope for is filling out the remaining empty / parking lots and we should work on adding residential and working on active frontages / ground-floor retail and making it a vibrant, clean place to walk, shop, eat, etc..

We have to accept the fact that height (and exciting skylines) will be outside of CBD (Lebreton/Bayview, Little Italy, West-End)

[Fraser]

Walked by the site earlier this morning. Completely fenced off and they’ve started digging. The northwest corner of the lot looks to be excavated down a storey or so.

[DTcrawler]

Originally Posted by Fraser

Walked by the site earlier this morning. Completely fenced off and they’ve started digging. The northwest corner of the lot looks to be excavated down a storey or so.

Great news!!! I will have to walk by to get a look for myself before I accept that it's finally happening. Even though we're only getting the shorter two towers for now, we'll be getting arguably Ottawa's best-designed project to date.

[Har13]

Yeah. Shoring walls are being installed and drills and excavators are on site.

[waterloowarrior]

http://www.juteaujohnsoncomba.com/ne...mber-Sales.pdf

400 Albert Street was purchased by
138083764 Canada Inc. from Albert &
Main Developments Inc. for
$28,700,000 or $1,423 per square foot.
It is zoned Residential Fifth Density.
The agents involved with this
transaction were Jason Shinder and
Charles Mirsky of District Realty and
Nick Pantieras and Aik Aliferis of IPA
Marcus Millichap.

[Harley613]

The delay on the 35 story tower is a letdown but I just realized the 29 story tower that just broke ground will still be the second tallest tower in the Centretown Clump after PDVC.

[AuxTown]

I'm in Toronto right now and staying on the 30th floor of the Delta. I can't believe how little human activity there is in all the massive office buildings I have views of. I can't believe anyone is building office towers at all right now!

That said, Toronto is a friggin metropolis! I am so jealous of all the towers and particularly some of their newer very high quality towers under construction or recently completed. CIBC Square is the best of the bunch IMO. We just need a couple of taller towers (35-40) with glazing of that quality and I'd be happy.

[Harley613]

Originally Posted by AuxTown

I'm in Toronto right now and staying on the 30th floor of the Delta. I can't believe how little human activity there is in all the massive office buildings I have views of. I can't believe anyone is building office towers at all right now!

That said, Toronto is a friggin metropolis! I am so jealous of all the towers and particularly some of their newer very high quality towers under construction or recently completed. CIBC Square is the best of the bunch IMO. We just need a couple of taller towers (35-40) with glazing of that quality and I'd be happy.

In my fairly extensive travels, I have been very few places in the world that feel as impressively dense with highrises as Toronto between the Lakeshore and Bay/Bloor. Hong Kong and Manhattan are the only places I've been that beat it. Panama City, Kuala Lumpur, Taipei and Dubai Marina come close. Tokyo is impressive but the buildings are in little clusters all over, there is no one area as dense. I have never been to Chicago, but I believe Toronto is less than 10 years years away from equaling it.

[phil235]

Originally Posted by Harley613

In my fairly extensive travels, I have been very few places in the world that feel as impressively dense with highrises as Toronto between the Lakeshore and Bay/Bloor. Hong Kong and Manhattan are the only places I've been that beat it. Panama City, Kuala Lumpur, Taipei and Dubai Marina come close. Tokyo is impressive but the buildings are in little clusters all over, there is no one area as dense. I have never been to Chicago, but I believe Toronto is less than 10 years years away from equaling it.

Chicago is well worth the trip (assuming that one day we have direct flights again). They also have by far the best architectural tours that I have been on. For variety of architecture and relationship to the lakefront, it's very hard to beat.

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by Harley613

In my fairly extensive travels, I have been very few places in the world that feel as impressively dense with highrises as Toronto between the Lakeshore and Bay/Bloor. Hong Kong and Manhattan are the only places I've been that beat it. Panama City, Kuala Lumpur, Taipei and Dubai Marina come close. Tokyo is impressive but the buildings are in little clusters all over, there is no one area as dense. I have never been to Chicago, but I believe Toronto is less than 10 years years away from equaling it.

It's anecdotal but a friend of mine from KL who now lives in Toronto said that Toronto felt small to them.

Originally Posted by AuxTown

That said, Toronto is a friggin metropolis! I am so jealous of all the towers and particularly some of their newer very high quality towers under construction or recently completed. CIBC Square is the best of the bunch IMO. We just need a couple of taller towers (35-40) with glazing of that quality and I'd be happy.

It's difficult to keep up sometimes. At least when I lived in Ottawa I was able to keep track of most medium-and-large builds. In Toronto it's impossible.

City is getting larger and larger with each passing day and month. Will be much larger in five/ten years and beyond.

[Harley613]

Originally Posted by JHikka

It's anecdotal but a friend of mine from KL who now lives in Toronto said that Toronto felt small to them.

Odd because KL is not much bigger in metro population and the main skyline is definitely less dense and takes up less space than the main skyline in Toronto. They do have five buildings taller than the tallest in Toronto however.

[GeoNerd]

Excavation on its way.