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Old Posted Oct 7, 2021, 3:36 PM
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Agreed, with this strategy it's going to take a significant amount of time for any semblance of urban fabric to form.
Urban fabric is not going to "form" (intransitive verb) as long as every detail is micromanaged, and as long as the street architecture is, fundamentally, suburban (wide streets, generous turn radii).
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Why does every NIMBY want a library? Grow up and live with the times, everything is online, I agree with a community centre, but Libraries? Jeeesh, why dont you ask for a Blockbuster to be built as well and ban people from accessing Netflix in the area
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Phasing plan for LeBreton. Very disjointed IMO. They should star with everything around the library first, up Booth second, the rest of the aqueduct and then up Albert to Bayview (since this is likely not a good time for the Sens).

I like the library part. The only thing that really irritates me is the lack of flow like you said with it being disjointed.

Additionally, lacking that aquaduct or community centre area will hurt the area's development as a hot spot. Also, the western portion just being a large slab on "park" area instead of being developed with seperate park areas planned around each seperate district is horrible planning. There's plenty of park area to the direct North and East of the development. They're only using half of the land and calling it a day. This plan is atrocious for what was supposed to be the model plan for increasing densification and activity within downtown.

Excluding the riverfront to create a boardwalk area that can be great to visit during the summer or winter is also a thumbs down.
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I like the library part. The only thing that really irritates me is the lack of flow like you said with it being disjointed.

Additionally, lacking that aquaduct or community centre area will hurt the area's development as a hot spot. Also, the western portion just being a large slab on "park" area instead of being developed with seperate park areas planned around each seperate district is horrible planning. There's plenty of park area to the direct North and East of the development. They're only using half of the land and calling it a day. This plan is atrocious for what was supposed to be the model plan for increasing densification and activity within downtown.

Excluding the riverfront to create a boardwalk area that can be great to visit during the summer or winter is also a thumbs down.
I think I'm OK with the green space balance here. Remember there is also another large parcel of land on the opposite side of Bayview station that is open for development. I'm really excited for the aquaduct. That along with Zibi,Trinity and Gladstone village or whatever its called I expect the common areas here to be very busy.

Fingers crossed for the aquaduct being all that it can be.
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Aquarium? Ferris wheel? NCC is ready to take pitches on LeBreton Flats attractions
Two parcels are the subject of the NCC's request for expressions of interest, scheduled for release on Wednesday.

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Publishing date: Dec 01, 2021 • 7 hours ago • 4 minute read




The National Capital Commission on Wednesday is launching a new process to determine what major attractions should be built at LeBreton Flats, with hopes of drawing experienced and credible contenders to pitch their visions.

People have talked up an aquarium, museum, gallery, ferris wheel, and of course, a National Hockey League-calibre arena as the perfect anchor event centre for a redeveloped LeBreton Flats.

Now, the NCC is asking development teams with the chops to pull off a major project to make their pitches.

“It’s a process intended to open a door and not to be scaring folks off,” said Katie Paris, the NCC’s director of the LeBreton Flats project.

“There are a lot of things we don’t yet have in Ottawa that we think could be very well-situated at LeBreton Flats.”

The last time a major event centre was part the LeBreton Flats discussion was when the Ottawa Senators and Trinity Developments won preferred status to build a new arena and mixed-use development on the site. The falling out between the two companies sent the NCC back to the drawing board.

Since then, the NCC has restarted planning work for LeBreton Flats under CEO Tobi Nussbaum and has decided on a phased approach to developing the massive federal property.

Armed with a master plan for LeBreton Flats, the NCC is ready to see what amenity can anchor the site and to give developers in future phases an idea of how to tailor their plans to suit the new mixed-use community.

Two parcels are the subject of the NCC’s request for expressions of interest, scheduled for release on Wednesday.

The larger, 6.3-acre site is east of Bayview Station between City Centre Avenue and Preston Street. Another 1.2-acre site is at the heart of LeBreton Flats in the aqueduct district, described as a “cultural hub” and “entertainment district” in the larger redevelopment.

Paris says it’s a true blue-sky exercise with few parameters.

“We want to somebody to have the capacity and the ability to implement the vision,” Paris said, “but, if you are an innovator, if you are someone with a big idea, well, you get yourself in a team with a bunch of people who have done those things, so we need to see your capacity as a team for your big idea.”

Paris says proposals should first respond to what the NCC has laid out in the concept plan for LeBreton Flats. The agency has developed strategies around parks and public realm, mobility, sustainability, culture and housing. It’s also working on an Algonquin Nation Partnership Strategy.

The request for expressions of interest is fairly basic, asking contenders to describe their experience and their ability to carry through on their visions and to provide a letter from a financial institution confirming their credit information.

The land transaction would likely be a long-term lease, but the price hasn’t been determined and there’s no financial target, Paris said. Those numbers would be hammered out through negotiations.

Groups submitting proposals can include drawings of what they have in mind.

An internal committee at the NCC will evaluate the proposals. They will be scored out of 50 points: 30 points assigned to development and operating concept and 20 points for experience.

While Paris says the LeBreton Flats master plan has been based on public consultation, the NCC doesn’t intend to float the proposals publicly after the submission deadline in February.

The NCC has in its back pocket an alternative development option if it doesn’t like any of the proposals for the large attraction parcel. The alternative option would simply extend mixed-use development west on the site. Paris says the success of the entire LeBreton Flats redevelopment doesn’t hinge on the major attraction.

Sorting out the attractions for LeBreton Flats is the next step in the larger redevelopment, which started on the east side of Booth Street on a 1.1-hectare parcel of land next to the future super library. Three mixed-use development proposals are being evaluated for that site.

The NCC is also building new pathways at LeBreton Flats connecting Bayview Station, Pimisi Station and the pathway along the Ottawa River.

The request for expressions of interest for major attraction sites will close on Feb. 28, 2022, with evaluations happening in March and April.

There would still be due diligence conducted by the NCC and negotiations with a top-ranked group.

Paris couldn’t say when ground would be broken for the attractions.

“Trying to predict that is not likely to be accurate. It really depends on the idea and the readiness of the partner to launch that idea and whatever pushes and pulls in the industry where they’re coming from,” Paris said, but she stressed that the NCC wouldn’t plod through the process.

“We’re not letting grass grow under our feet. We’re going to move this forward at a clip.”

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Just received an email from NCC saying the new path is opening on Dec 6th

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What exciting condos/apartments will be proposed? We all know that this is Lebreton's destiny and not much more.
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Anybody here have any solid ideas?

The ferris wheel is almost overused now and in basically every city. Plus with our climate would it even operate year round (not sure if Montreal's does)?

Theme park would take up too much space. Aquarium / Indoor water park has been discussed a few times.

Museum should be the last thing proposed here, we have so many already and I don't believe they provide to a lively, year round destination for both residents / tourists like we hope they would...
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What exciting condos/apartments will be proposed? We all know that this is Lebreton's destiny and not much more.
You need a mix of things at Lebreton Flats. Condos and apartment are part of that mix. Without people living there its just gonna be like Sparks street on the Weekend or after 5pm, Completely dead.
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Anybody here have any solid ideas?

The ferris wheel is almost overused now and in basically every city. Plus with our climate would it even operate year round (not sure if Montreal's does)?

Theme park would take up too much space. Aquarium / Indoor water park has been discussed a few times.

Museum should be the last thing proposed here, we have so many already and I don't believe they provide to a lively, year round destination for both residents / tourists like we hope they would...
Please lord not another museum. I'd like something like an Aquarium, a botanical garden or a big Green House garden or a big Multisport Centre (pool, gym, etc) Obviously an Arena for Hockey and shows would be best but I don't believe in that anymore
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Please lord not another museum. I'd like something like an Aquarium, a botanical garden or a big Green House garden or a big Multisport Centre (pool, gym, etc) Obviously an Arena for Hockey and shows would be best but I don't believe in that anymore
We are certainly missing a botanical garden, but I think there is already plans for one near Carleton University beside the arboretum. (this project isn't publicly discussed enough, or moving fast enough in my opinion).

An aquarium would be amazing! I would certainly visit it a few times a year.
We do need a new attraction that we don't have already. Something worth a G7 capital that would bring people all over the world to visit. The flats are big enough to have a stadium, a world class attraction and a mixture of housing/retail/office. Live/work/play should be the slogan for this area. We don't need another dormitory with shopper's drug mart at every street corner.
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While Ottawa does have enough museums, what would be nice is an exhibition space that is untethered from the "Canadian" mandate of the national museums. A place that can comfortably host the myriad of global travelling blockbuster exhibits without having to exert "Canadian-ness". I'm thinking something like Kitchener's THEMUSEUM which is currently hosting Rolling Stones | UNZIPPED.
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The NCC has had similar polls in the past and I have written to them before. And I will pitch THIS to them agaiin! My idea would be to have a stunning glass conservatory with an urban jungle! We have such a tough climate for 6 months of the year - this could be a wonderful escape from the elements for locals AND a cool attraction for tourists.

Not everyone can get away in the winter. This could be a little corner of tropical paradise in the north! There could be benches and possibly even a cafe/restaurant somewhere inside. Maybe even a plant shop which could sell plants propagated in the conservatory? (Mtl Botanical Garden has done this for years).

Honestly we have NOTHING in this city. Tourists avoid it. My friend from Taipei visited Canada two years ago and went all over EXCEPT Ottawa. When I asked her why, she told me that she had done her research online and there appears to only be one attraction in Ottawa and it's a government building so it wasn't worth her time or money to come all the way up here. BTW she was referring to the Parliament building

Time for this city to think out of the box. Capital cities the world over are exciting and diverse in their attractions.
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Totally agree with both of you!

A international exhibition space would be amazing.
And public conservatories are one of my favorites. In Toronto I used to visit the Allan Gardens Conservatory where they have different climate greenhouses you can visit for free.
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Totally agree with both of you!

A international exhibition space would be amazing.
And public conservatories are one of my favorites. In Toronto I used to visit the Allan Gardens Conservatory where they have different climate greenhouses you can visit for free.
I like the concept, but I lived beside Allan Gardens for a few years, and I can tell you that it attracted approximately zero tourists. I think we'd need to think bigger and have something that is more unique than an indoor garden or a jungle - something that would attract people of multiple ages and that would work year round. Maybe something like an indoor-outdoor Biodome with more public spaces to eat and hang out.

I also think that the statement that we have nothing in this city and no tourists come here is just factually inaccurate.
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I like the concept, but I lived beside Allan Gardens for a few years, and I can tell you that it attracted approximately zero tourists. I think we'd need to think bigger and have something that is more unique than an indoor garden or a jungle - something that would attract people of multiple ages and that would work year round. Maybe something like a Biodome with more places to eat and hang out.

I also think that the statement that we have nothing in this city and no tourists come here is just factually inaccurate.
Allan Gardens is neat but I wouldn't exactly describe it as a tourist attraction. Neat to walk around in for a half hour or so.

The last page or so exemplifies something that happens here quite a bit - hand-wringing and worrying that Ottawa isn't cool enough or that enough tourists visit or what others think of Ottawa. The best cities to visit are the ones that don't care about what others think about them. Do we think New Yorkers stay up at night wondering how best to appeal to tourists? Londoners? Parisians? The value of going to those cities is that you're getting a unique, city-specific experience. People in Montreal or Toronto don't really care about appealing to Ottawa, so why should Ottawa try to appeal to them? Ottawa doesn't have to be any of those places but it doesn't need to pretend like it needs aquariums or hanging gardens or whatever else just to look better to outsiders. Do your own thing, figure out what Ottawa actually is, and people will come and visit it for that.

Tourists and outsiders can tell when a place is 'forced fun'. And they can see tourist traps from a mile away.
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Allan Gardens is neat but I wouldn't exactly describe it as a tourist attraction. Neat to walk around in for a half hour or so.

The last page or so exemplifies something that happens here quite a bit - hand-wringing and worrying that Ottawa isn't cool enough or that enough tourists visit or what others think of Ottawa. The best cities to visit are the ones that don't care about what others think about them. Do we think New Yorkers stay up at night wondering how best to appeal to tourists? Londoners? Parisians? The value of going to those cities is that you're getting a unique, city-specific experience. Ottawa doesn't have to be any of those places but it doesn't need to pretend like it needs aquariums or hanging gardens or whatever else just to look better to outsiders. Do your own thing, find out what Ottawa actually is, and people will come and visit it for that.

Tourists and outsiders can tell when a place is 'forced fun'.
I agree with you that we should built attractions for the locals primarily. But in my opinion, Ottawa is a tourists destination. So we can't neglect them for the success of these spaces. If you want really cool big attractions such as an aquarium, do you think the local population will be big enough a market to keep it profitable?

I would want an aquarium or a giant indoor botanical garden for myself to visit, not for being a flashy tourist destination. But I think we have no choice to include them as part of the conversation so that these projects succeed.
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I'm not a fan of the aquarium idea. Just like zoos, I think they are antiquated attractions. A prison for humans to display their dominance on other creatures.

I wouldn't mind a museum, but there's no money in it, so not going to happen.

An NHL arena is still my top choice, but with the current owner and his history with the City and NCC, not going to happen.

I don't see the rush to build-up this parcel. Focus on the east. With the continued uncertainty around COVID and sky-high construction costs, this is not the time to ask for proposals. We won't get any quality proposals at this time because there is no money in it. Residential is just about the only thing we can still build profitably. Wait another 5-10 years.
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