The US Census Bureau thread

[benp]

Originally Posted by ChiSoxRox

Utica: 65,283

This site has done a nice job of scraping the data.

That site does not include any of the Towns in NY for some reason, just counties, cities, and villages.

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by kittyhawk28

For most regions, they exaggerate the size of metros too much; for example, with New York, I find it difficult to believe that places like Allentown, Poughkeepsie, and Litchfield County, which are quite a ways seperated from the urbanized regions of New York City by farmland and nature, to be part of NY's metro under CSA definitions.

Allentown isn't part of the NY CSA.

Poughkeepsie has probably been part of the metro since the 1950's, as it's one of the busiest suburban rail hubs in the country. The Hudson Metro North line is 3-4 tracks the whole route to Poughkeepsie, and runs on subway-style third rail all the way to Croton-Harmon.

And practically no one lives in Litchfield County, so doesn't make a difference.

[sopas ej]

Originally Posted by DCReid

I would guess it has to do with the Bay area economy being the center of the tech boom, and attracting people from all over the world. Even with high housing prices, the Bay area is attractive to professionals because those companies pay so well, or the professionals (and perhaps even non-professionals) dream of being part of a start-up and getting mega-rich overnite. I would also guess that the Bay areas counties would reach further out for those in search of cheaper housing and more land. Exurbs of most expensive metros like DC started growing again a few years after the 2005-6 real estate bust.

I think this is what it is. And I assume that the Bay Area's top largest employers are all private?

The largest employer in Los Angeles County is, well, Los Angeles County. In fact, the top 4 employers in LA County are all some kind of government entity:

1) County of Los Angeles
2) Los Angeles Unified School District
3) City of Los Angeles (including LA DWP)
4) University of California Los Angeles

You have to go to the 5th largest employer ranking to have the top private employer, which is Kaiser Permanente.

And after Kaiser, the next largest employer is the Federal Government (minus the USPS).

So yeah, I doubt that people from all over the world say "I wanna move to LA so I can work for the County of Los Angeles!"

[wwmiv]

Originally Posted by dimondpark

Correct. San Joaquin is the only county out there growing faster than the inner Bay Area, and it's close to being combined into the San Francisco Metro(MSA).

Otherwise, people arent moving to Modesto or Merced as much as people might think.


Yup, MSAs are not a very accurate arbiter of an areas true size in every case.

Dallas’s add some important periphery cities, like Gainesville, that are definitely part of the DFW area. Over 500k live in these counties, that’s not nothing ti sneeze at.

[ChiSoxRox]

Originally Posted by benp

That site does not include any of the Towns in NY for some reason, just counties, cities, and villages.

Towns are a different page.

The percentage change in Houston is intriguing: downtown and western half inside the Beltway booming, but east of I45 is cratering and the middle ring treading water. Since the high growth is largely beyond the city limits now, unless Houston goes annexing and filling in its city limit tentacles, might we see a plateau for 2030?

[kittyhawk28]

Originally Posted by yuriandrade

If I'm not mistaken, between 2010-2000, San Francisco CSA minus Central Valley counties grew faster than aforementioned counties.

Central Valley is no longer a growth machine.




Allentown MSA is no longer inside New York CSA. New York CSA is more accurate than New York MSA, which does not include Fairfield County, which is de facto New York metro area for the past 60 years or so.

In fact, in the places that matter, CSAs are more accurate than MSAs (New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Detroit, Cleveland, etc.). And in places they are oversized (Chicago, Dallas, Atlanta), they just add few unimportant counties that change nothing in the end of the day.

Oh interesting, when was the Allentown MSA removed? Could be remembering incorrectly, but it was part of the NY CSA in the 2000's no? According to this map at least.



The part with Lehigh, Carbon, Monroe counties etc.

Agree with the part on Fairfield County.

[pacarlson]

For me, the biggest surprises regarding the 2020 Census city populations are:
1. The phenomenal increase in NYC's population.
2. The 6.5% turn-around gain by Buffalo.
3. The unprecedented 31.6% population shrinkage experienced by East St. Louis; the largest % drop in its history.
4. St. Paul's 9.3% growth putting its 2020 population less than 2,000 people away from its all-time peak population.
5. Kansas City, MO hitting an all-time peak population.

Disappointing is the persistent population decline of the big, old powerhouse cities of Detroit, Baltimore, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Pittsburgh (although slower decline), and St. Louis.

[JManc]

Originally Posted by ChiSoxRox

The percentage change in Houston is intriguing: downtown and western half inside the Beltway booming, but east of I45 is cratering and the middle ring treading water. Since the high growth is largely beyond the city limits now, unless Houston goes annexing and filling in its city limit tentacles, might we see a plateau for 2030?

Houston's population has more or less been following the same trends for years; this is nothing new. Downtown is the only outlier with all the high-rise construction after years of being a wasteland. Also, just immediately east of downtown could see a population spike with boom in gentrification. Houston has a donut phenomenon with the wealth concentrating inside the loop, surrounded by lower income and lower middle-class (until they are gentrified) which are in turn surrounded by middle to upper middle class suburbs. This map only confirms it.

[kingkirbythe....]

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This looks like psychedelic paint by numbers. i’m going to frame it.

[chris08876]

Originally Posted by Crawford

Allentown isn't part of the NY CSA.

Poughkeepsie has probably been part of the metro since the 1950's, as it's one of the busiest suburban rail hubs in the country. The Hudson Metro North line is 3-4 tracks the whole route to Poughkeepsie, and runs on subway-style third rail all the way to Croton-Harmon.

And practically no one lives in Litchfield County, so doesn't make a difference.

For ages I thought Allentown was. I'd imagine Easton PA is still part of the metro?

[chris08876]

Ah... I was confusing myself. Pike County PA.

On a side note, but I'm surprised Easton PA or Northampton County is not part of the NY metro given how many folks here work near or in NYC. You tend to see a lot of PA plates rushing on I-78 towards the city at 6 am. I mean if anything, the counties near or around Bethlehem and Allentown are intertwined with the city, from transit to logistics.

I kind of think its backwards though. If anything, the Easton Area is more intertwined with NYC than Pike County.

[ChiSoxRox]

Originally Posted by JManc

Houston's population has more or less been following the same trends for years; this is nothing new. Downtown is the only outlier with all the high-rise construction after years of being a wasteland. Also, just immediately east of downtown could see a population spike with boom in gentrification. Houston has a donut phenomenon with the wealth concentrating inside the loop, surrounded by lower income and lower middle-class (until they are gentrified) which are in turn surrounded by middle to upper middle class suburbs. This map only confirms it.

Understood, thanks for the details.

[kittyhawk28]

Originally Posted by chris08876

For ages I thought Allentown was. I'd imagine Easton PA is still part of the metro?

Apparently, in 2018 the OMB did redefinitions for CSA's. Allentown was apparently removed from the NYC CSA during that redefinition, causing the NY CSA to decrease by about a million

[N90]

It looks like the MSAs in the US did better than they were projected to do.

You don't see a population decline until you get to New Haven, ranked 68th biggest metro in the US. And then Akron at 83rd after that. I am happy to see growth of some kind almost everywhere in the US. That's the main thing, many places staved off the population decline the estimates had shown. Let that be the story of the 2020 census.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_statistical_areas

[38 Geary]

Originally Posted by sopas ej

I think this is what it is. And I assume that the Bay Area's top largest employers are all private?

The largest employer in Los Angeles County is, well, Los Angeles County. In fact, the top 4 employers in LA County are all some kind of government entity:

1) County of Los Angeles
2) Los Angeles Unified School District
3) City of Los Angeles (including LA DWP)
4) University of California Los Angeles

You have to go to the 5th largest employer ranking to have the top private employer, which is Kaiser Permanente.

And after Kaiser, the next largest employer is the Federal Government (minus the USPS).

So yeah, I doubt that people from all over the world say "I wanna move to LA so I can work for the County of Los Angeles!"

I did notice that DTLA has only built one office tower (Wilshire Grand which is mixed use so it only has 677,000 SF) in the last ~30 years. Everything else has been residential. Last one before that was Two California Plaza.

Is Class A office space still in pretty low demand in DTLA, or are most employers leasing elsewhere in the LA metro?

[deja vu]

Originally Posted by DetroitSky

Michigan and North Carolina both surpassed 10m, giving the country 10 cities with 8 digit populations for the first time.

I know you meant states, and not cities. Georgia too, right? North Carolina and Georgia grew enough to move past Michigan in the ranking of large states. NJ & VA are catching up quickly too.


http://citypopulation.de/en/usa/cities/

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[N90]

Miami's CSA has been passed by Atlanta.

[ChiSoxRox]

Originally Posted by deja vu

A bit surprising that Detroit did not change in its national population ranking from 2010 to 2020, even with the reported loss of ~ 75K people.

Detroit was #18 in 2010. It dropped nine places.

[Camelback]

Phoenix MSA jumped Detroit, Riverside and San Francisco and came up short with Boston, just by about 95k difference in the two.

Phoenix and Boston will enter the 5 million MSA club soon.

Seattle should pass Detroit in a few years and Seattle is now in the 4 million tier.

St. Louis will be passed by Portland, San Antonio, Charlotte and Orlando by 2030.
Pittsburgh will be passed by Las Vegas and Austin soon.

Denver about to hit the 3 million milestone.

Washington, Philadelphia, Miami and Atlanta all crossed into the 6 million club.

[deja vu]

Originally Posted by ChiSoxRox

Detroit was #18 in 2010. It dropped nine places.

Woops. I was using the filter incorrectly on Wikipedia. That makes more sense. Thanks!