[Surrey] King George Hub | U/C

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Sheba

You do know that SoF has had large increases in transit usage for the last few years...

There you go: people have been learning! However, a lot more need to learn.

This is fresh off the press:

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/mero-vancouver-car-use-ranking

Guess what? For overall car-use distance travelled, Surrey is No.1! That's not a good thing. Neither is Vancouver at No. 2, although it fares better at the average ranking. But still...

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Vin

There you go: people have been learning! However, a lot more need to learn.

This is fresh off the press:

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/mero-vancouver-car-use-ranking

Guess what? For overall car-use distance travelled, Surrey is No.1! That's not a good thing. Neither is Vancouver at No. 2, although it fares better at the average ranking. But still...

People need to have a transit service that takes them where they need to go in a reasonable amount of time. Look at Vancouver bus and Skytrain routes vs the rest of the region and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why people SoF drive more than people NoF.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Vin

This is fresh off the press:

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/mero-vancouver-car-use-ranking

Guess what? For overall car-use distance travelled, Surrey is No.1! That's not a good thing. Neither is Vancouver at No. 2, although it fares better at the average ranking. But still...

If not Surrey, which municipality did you expect, or prefer to be No.1 for overall car-use distance travelled?

[EhJay]

Originally Posted by rpvan

Is this the most recent render of the site?

It's on their website, no idea if it's the most recent though, just what they are sharing.

[e-clam9]

A view from above.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=18-vaUfWsL093mCQvgZpOlT0hX3-7jfQG

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[GeneralLea]

That's some brutal cladding, although it's fascinating to see a subdivision of towers rise like that.

[Cypherus]

About the cladding, hopefully the balcony glass will have some sort of fritted pattern to break up the monotony of the cladding.

[BCPhil]

Originally Posted by Vin

There you go: people have been learning! However, a lot more need to learn.

This is fresh off the press:

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/mero-vancouver-car-use-ranking

Guess what? For overall car-use distance travelled, Surrey is No.1! That's not a good thing. Neither is Vancouver at No. 2, although it fares better at the average ranking. But still...

The average travel per capita for the most part matches the average distance to Downtown from those cities. CRAZYYYYYYY!

And the totals line up pretty good with cities listed by population. INSANNNNNNNNNNNE!!!!

[osirisboy]

Originally Posted by Cypherus

About the cladding, hopefully the balcony glass will have some sort of fritted pattern to break up the monotony of the cladding.

Yeah wouldn't that be nice. That never happens for some unknown reason in bc. Toronto? You bet. Here? Nope

But heaven if it were to be fritted glass it wouldn't hid the hideous spandrel

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Changing City

If not Surrey, which municipality did you expect, or prefer to be No.1 for overall car-use distance travelled?

That's what I'm saying. If the City hadn't been built like a typical sprawl and more like how Surrey Central is built now, it would have been a different story today. Trankslink would've placed more buses to service a smaller but more compact area, thus making people travel way less on cars. Perhaps you were not following, but the conversation was about people in Surrey learning/relearning to take public transport as they are the ones driving the most: not about which municipality one expects to travel the most.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Vin

That's what I'm saying. If the City hadn't been built like a typical sprawl and more like how Surrey Central is built now, it would have been a different story today. Trankslink would've placed more buses to service a smaller but more compact area, thus making people travel way less on cars. Perhaps you were not following, but the conversation was about people in Surrey learning/relearning to take public transport as they are the ones driving the most: not about which municipality one expects to travel the most.

The problem (and I've brought this up before) with transit in the suburbs is that when BC Transit was in charge, all the decisions were made in Victoria (aka not locally) and at that time transit was all about getting people into / out of downtown Vancouver. If you wanted to travel anywhere else in the region you needed a car.

There are a lot of people who travel within the region without getting anywhere near Vancouver. The majority of those people don't have a choice to take transit as it's non-existent for their travel patterns.

With Surrey Central being built up as the regions SoF downtown and developments like this being built, there is a chance to get some people out of their cars. But transit has to get out of the 'everyone wants to travel to downtown Vancouver' mentality out of their heads.

[GMasterAres]

Originally Posted by Vin

That's what I'm saying. If the City hadn't been built like a typical sprawl and more like how Surrey Central is built now, it would have been a different story today. Trankslink would've placed more buses to service a smaller but more compact area, thus making people travel way less on cars. Perhaps you were not following, but the conversation was about people in Surrey learning/relearning to take public transport as they are the ones driving the most: not about which municipality one expects to travel the most.

Surrey in 1976 had the same population that Vancouver had in 1921. 116,000 people. And it has grown in 40 years the same amount as Vancouver has in 100. It was also a farm community split off by a river until the 50s largely compared to Vancouver which in the 20th century was always the center of the region and focus of commerce, development, and quite-frankly urban design.

Have to give the city a little bit of slack. Surrey is not perfect but the reality is too many people beat up on the city for being in a situation few others are subjected to and the growing pains associated with. It's almost like the second child which doesn't get the same attention and first opportunities in life as the first child did and always will.

The city is vastly improved today over what it was when I was born and grew up in the 80s. I live a few blocks away from the Hub, a very dense transit-oriented and focal point of Surrey Central and when I was in elementary school, the same area had cows grazing in grass fields...

A lot has changed and I think there are many more positives than there are negatives. There is a reason over 1000 people move into the city per month. You are right traffic is becoming an issue in areas and with the explosive growth it will very very likely be a challenge, but it is not really different than any other city. Driving in many other regional cities aka Vancouver, New West, areas of Richmond, Coquitlam, Langley Township, etc., can be just as —.

What's their excuses? I think people need to focus on what has been done right, celebrate that, and encourage more right decisions to be made.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by jhausner

Surrey in 1976 had the same population that Vancouver had in 1921. 116,000 people. And it has grown in 40 years the same amount as Vancouver has in 100. It was also a farm community split off by a river until the 50s largely compared to Vancouver which in the 20th century was always the center of the region and focus of commerce, development, and quite-frankly urban design.

Have to give the city a little bit of slack. Surrey is not perfect but the reality is too many people beat up on the city for being in a situation few others are subjected to and the growing pains associated with. It's almost like the second child which doesn't get the same attention and first opportunities in life as the first child did and always will.

The city is vastly improved today over what it was when I was born and grew up in the 80s. I live a few blocks away from the Hub, a very dense transit-oriented and focal point of Surrey Central and when I was in elementary school, the same area had cows grazing in grass fields...

A lot has changed and I think there are many more positives than there are negatives. There is a reason over 1000 people move into the city per month. You are right traffic is becoming an issue in areas and with the explosive growth it will very very likely be a challenge, but it is not really different than any other city. Driving in many other regional cities aka Vancouver, New West, areas of Richmond, Coquitlam, Langley Township, etc., can be just as —.

What's their excuses? I think people need to focus on what has been done right, celebrate that, and encourage more right decisions to be made.

Agreed. Surrey is the way due to its agricultural roots. Hence the sprawl. Certainly not beating up Surrey for what it is today, just saying that it would take a while before people there get used to the idea of a compact city lifestyle rather than constantly relying on cars to get around. It will come with the Skytrain extension and more compact areas built such as the Hub and other neighbourhoods of Surrey Central, Guildford, etc.

Originally Posted by Sheba

The problem (and I've brought this up before) with transit in the suburbs is that when BC Transit was in charge, all the decisions were made in Victoria (aka not locally) and at that time transit was all about getting people into / out of downtown Vancouver. If you wanted to travel anywhere else in the region you needed a car.

There are a lot of people who travel within the region without getting anywhere near Vancouver. The majority of those people don't have a choice to take transit as it's non-existent for their travel patterns.

With Surrey Central being built up as the regions SoF downtown and developments like this being built, there is a chance to get some people out of their cars. But transit has to get out of the 'everyone wants to travel to downtown Vancouver' mentality out of their heads.

Oh, trust me, many people don't even bother coming to downtown Vancouver anymore. The city centre is often really quiet after the tourist season is over. Certainly not as vibrant as I like it to be.

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[JaysMortgages]

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[officedweller]

Nice to see some height on he other side of the tracks.

[EhJay]

Found where Save-On-Foods is moving to. So much for a Fresh St Market.

Cool visualization of how it's planned to look once it's complete though! Fall 2021 might still hold.

Also interesting that they've been putting the glazing on so soon. The South West building has 9 floors installed.

[officedweller]

Usually glazing is installed about 7 floors below the floor being poured.

[jlove390]

Glad to see Save-On there. I guess they're moving from the new Georgetown site.