NHL season 2017/2018 - Page 63

JHikka · #**1241** Posted **Mar 7, 2018, 2:52 AM**

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Originally Posted by blueandgoldguy

Back to my comments on Houston, while it is likely the team would provide higher revenues than Winnipeg, nothing is guaranteed. Atlanta is nearly as big as Houston and yet the Thrashers franchise reportedly only averaged $50 or million per year in total revenues in the last several years in the market (before revenue-sharing). Apparently Winnipeg had $30 - $50 million more in revenues than Atlanta following the first year north of the border.

Here's Atlanta's revenue, provided by Forbes:

Winnipeg's revenue:
2012: $105M
2013: $79M
2014: $102M
2015: $116M
2016: $112M
2017: $119M

The Thrashers lost between $2M-$8M season EBITD (Earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization.), the Jets profit between +$3M-$13M.

https://www.forbes.com/teams/winnipeg-jets/

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Originally Posted by blueandgoldguy

A houston team with a few stinker seasons could end up in a similar situation for all we know....

Houston has a million more people than Atlanta (6.7M vs. 5.7M) and is growing at a faster rate. Between 2010 and 2016 Houston's Statistical Area increased by roughly 800K, which is the equivalent of adding Winnipeg to its population. The growth of southern cities cannot be underestimated and part of this is why the NHL has been so devoted to cities like Phoenix - they're much bigger markets than people think, and that potential is worth a lot more than the more limited ceilings provided by the likes of Winnipeg and Quebec.

Yes, I know, population isn't the only indicator etc., which is why you take into account Houston's history with hockey. They drew fairly well when they had the Aeros in the AHL (top ten most seasons, 5K-7K+). For comparison's sake, the Moose averaged between 7K-8K during this same time frame.

Houston is a far better market for the NHL than Atlanta and would have ended up with a team if not for Alexander.

Bluenote · #**1242** Posted **Mar 7, 2018, 4:25 AM**

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Originally Posted by DoubleK

Houston is one of the largest unserved NHL markets and one with a long hockey history. The Houston Aeros were THE most successful WHA franchise and were very close to becoming an NHL team. Subsequent to that they had a very good IHL and then AHL team. Having a franchise in Houston would add way more to HRR than Winnipeg ever will.

In that light, the existence of the Jets has hurt the league.

Oh look an albertan that is just mad his team sucks and the jets don’t lmfao. Don’t worry. When we make the playoffs. We will make a banner for you saying “ this could be you if only “

DoubleK · #**1243** Posted **Mar 7, 2018, 5:05 AM**

Wow you MB folk sure have a serious inferiority complex.

The Jabroni · #**1244** Posted **Mar 7, 2018, 5:21 AM**

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Originally Posted by DoubleK

Wow you MB folk sure have a serious inferiority complex.

What do you expect for us being the so-called "Rodney Dangerfield of Canada" in this context, among others?

I guess the contempt between ourselves are mutual.

DoubleK · #**1245** Posted **Mar 7, 2018, 5:28 AM**

I have no contempt for the Jets or the city of Winnipeg.

Esquire asked a rhetorical question which was answered with an alternative landing spot for the Atlanta franchise.

For whatever reason, that is incomprehensible some people on here.

rrskylar · #**1246** Posted **Mar 7, 2018, 5:56 AM**

Well another win for Canada's team, the 40th of the season with the games best young star potting 3 more and moving into second place in goal scoring with 38!

sunsetmountainland · #**1247** Posted **Mar 7, 2018, 7:28 AM**

I have to say too bad about Brock Boeser he had pretty good run might have even got the Calder trophy. Though I feel B.C. boy Mathew Barzal is a shoe win.

logan5 · #**1248** Posted **Mar 7, 2018, 7:41 AM**

Yes. Boeser is a a Laine level talent picked in the later part of the first round, so bonus for us. On the bright side, Boeser will fully recover for next year and the Canucks will go even more in the shitter for the final stretch this year. Not even Edmonton will be able to out tank us now. 3rd worst record a distinct possibility. Let's at least get the second best d man in the draft.

esquire · #**1249** Posted **Mar 7, 2018, 12:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by DoubleK

I have no contempt for the Jets or the city of Winnipeg.

Esquire asked a rhetorical question which was answered with an alternative landing spot for the Atlanta franchise.

For whatever reason, that is incomprehensible some people on here.

Why didn't you address my point that by your logic, the Flames moving to Houston could also help the league? As a NHL fan I hope your boat anchor of a small market with its outdated arena and sad sack team gets relocated soon. You know, for the good of the league.

J.OT13 · #**1250** Posted **Mar 7, 2018, 2:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by blueandgoldguy

Keep in mind Vegas would not take any deposits from the casinos for several months I think as they wanted to focus on the general populace who would actually attend games vs. casinos handing out comps to guests who may or may not attend the games thus leaving plenty of empty seats.

We should keep in mind that the casinos are the biggest business in town. If they had not been excluded in the initial ticket offerings, it is likely the team would have sold out their season tickets within weeks, maybe days.

That makes sense. Didn't realize casinos weren't allowed to buy at that time. It does however support my agreement that the Golden Knights will be supported by tourists, not the local population (which could be an issue in terms of merchandise and future broadcasting deals).

Bluenote · #**1251** Posted **Mar 7, 2018, 4:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by DoubleK

I have no contempt for the Jets or the city of Winnipeg.

Esquire asked a rhetorical question which was answered with an alternative landing spot for the Atlanta franchise.

For whatever reason, that is incomprehensible some people on here.

You do realize that your Calgary flames are from Atlanta also right ? It’s shame the league allowed the Atlanta Flames to Ben moved to some obscure backwater town like Calgary and not moved them into another amazing market in the USA.

I do find it funny though that the jets are talked about all around the league but Your Calgary flames are never mentioned outside Alberta and Vancouver. The league respects the jets. They don’t respect your flames and their lack of leadership in getting a new arena.

Houston Flames here we come. Or even better the Quebec Flames. Least they built an arena

Calgarian · #**1252** Posted **Mar 7, 2018, 7:05 PM**

A month ago Jets fans were all butthurt that nobody liked playing in Winnipeg, now you are the darling of the league? You guys are hilarious!

Calgarian · #**1253** Posted **Mar 7, 2018, 7:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by J.OT13

That makes sense. Didn't realize casinos weren't allowed to buy at that time. It does however support my agreement that the Golden Knights will be supported by tourists, not the local population (which could be an issue in terms of merchandise and future broadcasting deals).

As long as they sell seats and merchandise, the League is happy. Vegas was a risk, but there is too much money in that city to pass up. I think the league was hoping to mirror the success in San Jose where being the first real pro sports franchise built a loyal fan base. Next year will be interesting as I expect Vegas to take a major step backward, and after being teased with success they should likely become a bubble team at best, so how will their fan base respond...

HomeInMyShoes · #**1254** Posted **Mar 7, 2018, 8:23 PM**

^Ah Vegas will always be a winner. Home ice advantage is huge for them with the distractions for visiting teams and on the road all the other cities are so boring they just stay at the hotel and rink and prepare for the game. They might be the most disciplined team in the league and become the greatest dynasty in all of pro sports history.

WhipperSnapper · #**1255** Posted **Mar 7, 2018, 9:29 PM**

The teams have hookers on retainer in every city. Winnipeg too for those desparate times

O-tacular · #**1256** Posted **Mar 7, 2018, 9:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by Bluenote

You do realize that your Calgary flames are from Atlanta also right ? It’s shame the league allowed the Atlanta Flames to Ben moved to some obscure backwater town like Calgary and not moved them into another amazing market in the USA.

I do find it funny though that the jets are talked about all around the league but Your Calgary flames are never mentioned outside Alberta and Vancouver. The league respects the jets. They don’t respect your flames and their lack of leadership in getting a new arena.

Houston Flames here we come. Or even better the Quebec Flames. Least they built an arena

Are you kidding me? Because Calgarians fought back against lining the pockets of billionaires on the public dime we are looked down at by the rest of the league? Are you referring to owners or fans? Because we were given kudos by many fans in other markets for not falling prey to the usual bully tactics of sports franchises. I guess in Winnipeg it's different because you guys barely got your team back after they left the first time, but Calgary has been in the top of the league for revenue for many years. Now we slipped out of the top 10 but 11th is still damn good. Take off your homer glasses.

Calgarian · #**1257** Posted **Mar 7, 2018, 9:36 PM**

O-tac, don't take the bait man...

JHikka · #**1258** Posted **Mar 7, 2018, 9:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by Calgarian

Next year will be interesting as I expect Vegas to take a major step backward, and after being teased with success they should likely become a bubble team at best, so how will their fan base respond...

The NFL moving into Vegas in 2020 will be more trying on the Knights than whether they win or lose on the ice.

Calgarian · #**1259** Posted **Mar 7, 2018, 9:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by JHikka

The NFL moving into Vegas in 2020 will be more trying on the Knights than whether they win or lose on the ice.

Agreed completely!

DoubleK · #**1260** Posted **Mar 7, 2018, 9:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by Calgarian

Next year will be interesting as I expect Vegas to take a major step backward, and after being teased with success they should likely become a bubble team at best, so how will their fan base respond...

They'll still be better than your shitty Calgary Flames.