Future Canadian Skylines

[ainvan]

Originally Posted by koops65

Looking Southwest at downtown Toronto approx. 2022...

[caltrane74]

Originally Posted by koops65

Looking Southwest at downtown Toronto approx. 2022...

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The LCBO proposal is massive even from clear across downtown.

Toronto in 10 to 20 years is something we might not recognize. A completely new and different city, and will likely have a totally different street vibe than what we are currently accustomed to right now.

[Gresto]

A lot of stagnating proposals will have to get moving, and quickly, for Toronto to look like that in 6 years.

[koops65]

Not really... a bunch of the big towers we have now took 4, 5 or 6 years to go from a proposal to built.

(Just going by when the building threads were created, most were proposed much earlier)

Aura: 2009 - 2015 (6 years)

One Bloor: 2010 - 2016 (6 years, the current version, older versions go back several years earlier)

Ice: 2009 - 2015 (6 years)

Harbour Plaza: 2011 - 2016 (5 years)

Eau du Soleil: 2011 - 2017 (6 years)

Ten York: 2011 - 2017 (6 years)

I think the pattern here is clear... it really does take 6 or more years for the big towers to become built and occupied. The proposals we're seeing now will also take years to be completed. A bunch of current proposals will get cancelled, and a bunch more will finally make their way through the approvals process, and sales, and excavation... etc. Until the high-rise market in Toronto dies off, I don't see many changes from the previous 10 years. There are rumblings and stirrings from several of the big proposals, so they aren't all dead yet.

[Gresto]

Originally Posted by koops65

I think the pattern here is clear... it really does take 6 or more years for the big towers to become built and occupied.

From groundbreaking to completion, yes. How are some of the big proposals doing? LCBO is in the very embryonic stages. They're still dicking around with 1-5 Yonge, ad infinitum. It hasn't even started sales. Mirvish? Approved, but no sales opening anywhere on the horizon. 1BW? Site cleared prematurely, not yet approved (I think), and sales haven't begun. All the stuff at Yonge/Gerrard? Announced but nothing more. What else am I missing?
I agree with you that nary of the aforementioned are dead, but, other than maybe 1BW, they all seem mired in red tape or whatever.

[caltrane74]

I know we haven't heard of anything, but I have a feeling 1BW (the One) will already be spoken for when it goes on sale to the public.

[koops65]

Let's go through the proposals and sort them... 175 metres +

Towers with signs of life:
One Yonge (3 towers)
M & G (2 towers)
The One
19 Duncan
415 King W
217 Adelaide W

In sales:
391 Yonge (2 towers)
23 Spadina (2 towers)
8 Cumberland
Rosedale on Bloor

Recently Proposed: No movement expected for a while...
55 Lake Shore E (6 towers)
33 Gerrard W (3 towers)
180 Queen's Quay (2 towers)
475 Yonge (2 towers)
88 North
22 Widmer
1 Eglinton E
Artists Alley

In Limbo: I thought this was supposed to be starting up soon...
Bay Park Centre I (part II is a long term vision for now)

Seems to be dead:
160 Front
Union Centre
Holt Renfrew
80 Bloor W
30 Bay St.
400 (2 towers)
35 Mercer
31A Parliament
481 University

Am I completely off base with some of these?

[caltrane74]

How much longer is Metrolinx gonna wait around for Bay Park Center???

[WhipperSnapper]

Not really a fan of your list.

Towers with signs of life:
One Yonge (3 towers)
The One
19 Duncan
391 Yonge (2 towers)
23 Spadina (2 towers)
8 Cumberland
Rosedale on Bloor

Long Term Office:
Bay Park Centre I
160 Front
Union Centre
30 Bay St.

Recently Proposed: .
55 Lake Shore E (6 towers)
33 Gerrard W (3 towers)
180 Queen's Quay (2 towers)
475 Yonge (2 towers)
88 North (for now)
22 Widmer
1 Eglinton E
Artists Alley

In Limbo:
415 King W
217 Adelaide W
400 (2 towers)
35 Mercer

Stalled:
Holt Renfrew
80 Bloor W
35 Mercer
481 University
M & G (2 towers)


bold possible planning exercise

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally Posted by caltrane74

How much longer is Metrolinx gonna wait around for Bay Park Center???

When they sign a lead tenant.

[Innsertnamehere]

They have a tenant for the base building, Metrolinx. Hopefully they start soon for the base building at least.

[WhipperSnapper]

Metrolinx isn't really a tenant. They are part owners. I can guess the base building doesn't mean much to Caltrane.

[koops65]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

Not really a fan of your list.

I didn't think you would be... but you probably wouldn't have show us your list if I hadn't thrown mine out there first...

[caltrane74]

We need an office tower to start soon..

EY Tower/One York/BA2 are almost all finished up..

[Chadillaccc]

Brookfield Place, 247 meters

Originally Posted by Suburgatory

[Martin Mtl]

/\ That's very nice.

[ssiguy]

I really hate the 55 Lakeshore development and I hope the city refuses it.

It is nothing but a tall commie block and the buildings have absolutely not thought put into them at all. Those glass boxes make CityPlace look bohemian.

[koops65]

Slow down a bit there... my render is based on a crude City of Toronto 3d mock-up, which is really just a massing study...

No official renders of the residential towers have been released yet. We don't actually know what they will look like...

If you have a problem with how my model looks, just let me know...

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally Posted by ssiguy

I really hate the 55 Lakeshore development and I hope the city refuses it.

It is nothing but a tall commie block and the buildings have absolutely not thought put into them at all. Those glass boxes make CityPlace look bohemian.

So commie blocks now encompasses point towers on podium. None have square or rectangular footprints too.

[koops65]

Well regardless of all those tall towers getting built or not, they are proposals now, so they are included in my model. I'll delete them after they are cancelled.

Downtown Toronto, looking Southeast:

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Downtown Toronto, looking Northeast:

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