Stadiums and Arenas of Canada part 2 - Page 22

Migs · #**421** Posted **Apr 19, 2015, 9:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by blueandgoldguy

67,000 square foot stadium!? Damn, those concourses at new Mosaic are gonna be like 5 feet wide. Everyone will need to take turns going to the bathroom and getting food and drink.

Haha slight typo. I believe it's about 540,000 sq/ft

elly63 · #**422** Posted **Apr 19, 2015, 10:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by osmo

You spend more on A/C as the sun makes the place a oven in the summer, while winter you more blow cash keeping it warm.

I would like to think that premier stadium builder Populous, builder of the Forsyth Barr Stadium in New Zealand, would have taken this into account and designed and built the necessary solutions.

osmo · #**423** Posted **Apr 19, 2015, 11:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by elly63

I would like to think that premier stadium builder Populous, builder of the Forsyth Barr Stadium in New Zealand, would have taken this into account and designed and built the necessary solutions.

New Zealand is very temperate. It does not see the extremes in weather variations as Toronto would.

The F. Barr Stadium is more a covered event space versus a Stadium like the "glass" Crystal Cathedral in California. You can get away with it in more temperate climates that have predictable climate patterns. In that part of New Zealand it is 5-15 degrees all year long.

Those types of structures can work will in those climates. The closest we would have hear would be Vancouver and Victoria in which those structure would perform on a optimal level. In a place like Toronto is isn't that easy because it gets hot here in the summer with very strong sun, while our winters are below (or at) freezing for the majority of the season.

The Skydome for begin such a hunk of concrete actually is efficient with its heating and cooling.

Also shadowing might be of a concern. MLB "desires" that diamonds be rotated Eastward, tilted Northward. Rogers Centre is North and the other parts that are positioned the same way have some of the worst shadows in the league: Progressive field (Cleveland), Chase Filed (Arizona).

A ETFE roof would look cool but other things have to be taken into account. Rogers is mulling cost effectiveness the most. In the end it might be cheaper to keep the Dome under a no-light roof and replace the roofing material with something new and use growing lights versus perusing a ETFE option with all those other situations to account for.

VANRIDERFAN · #**424** Posted **Apr 20, 2015, 3:42 PM**

Mosaic 2

From Rod Pedersen's blog
http://www.rodpedersen.com/2015/04/mosaic-place-monday-morning-goalie_20.html

Oilkountry · #**425** Posted **Apr 20, 2015, 4:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by The Fisher Account

Do you have any idea what you're talking about or is it just pure garbage?

have you been paying attention at all? Nenshi has stated over and over and over again that the city will not be involved as a financial partner in prohect. Over and over and over again. The province cant give any Dollars towards the project as they wouldn't do it in Edmonton. And like the city the feds have also stated over and over and over and over again that they will not contribute to sports stadia.

So no I'm not spitting pure garbage. Any opinions I have are based on the facts I have stated above. Would you like links to back my statements up?

If any of you think that any levels of government are gonna pony up for this project than you are speculating! And that is "pure garbage" because not one level of government has expressed any interest or willingness to participate. If not than maybe I'm wrong and you have connections that are telling you that all 3 levels of government have just been playing with the media this whole time.

So unless the flames have the better part of a billion dollars in a back pocket somewhere, I'm not sure where you think they are gonna get the money to build an NHL arena equal or better than Edmonton's and a brand new 30,000 seat stadium complete with a roof. If they had the money all this time then why didn't they built it 10 years ago when they started lobbying for a new arena?

But I'm not wrong on saying they aren't going to skimp on the Arena to fund the stadium. They will scale back the stadium to make sure the arena is top notch

Go kick rocks both of you. be smart

Coldrsx · #**426** Posted **Apr 20, 2015, 5:43 PM**

Mosaic 2 - Gotta say, I am jealous.

Coldrsx · #**427** Posted **Apr 20, 2015, 6:21 PM**

(http://i.imgur.com/Py2bsJR.png?1)
posted by Hilman
from rogersplace.com

craner · #**428** Posted **Apr 20, 2015, 6:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by blueandgoldguy

67,000 square foot stadium!? Damn, those concourses at new Mosaic are gonna be like 5 feet wide. Everyone will need to take turns going to the bathroom and getting food and drink.

Na, that's McMahon you're describing.

esquire · #**429** Posted **Apr 20, 2015, 6:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Mosaic 2 - Gotta say, I am jealous.

Given the embarrassment of sports riches in Edmonton including the flashiest new rink on the continent and a perfect stadium that never seems to age, I'd say you people have nothing to be jealous of!

In fact, it's boom times across Western Canada when it comes to pro sports venues... well, except for one place, but they keep telling us it will change soon

craner · #**430** Posted **Apr 20, 2015, 6:44 PM**

^We're sure hopin'

Oilkountry · #**431** Posted **Apr 20, 2015, 7:02 PM**

I agree, I'm not sure anyone in this country is set up as well as Edmonton When it comes to Stadia. They just need a Decent soccer stadium

However Toronto,Vancouver and Winnipeg aren't far behind if any. And Ottawa,Calgary could be knocking on that door soon as well

Daveography · #**432** Posted **Apr 20, 2015, 7:55 PM**

Rogers Place today:

eemy · #**433** Posted **Apr 20, 2015, 8:11 PM**

It's unfortunate that that arena is going to be marred by the Rogers logo.

esquire · #**434** Posted **Apr 20, 2015, 8:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by jeremy_haak

It's unfortunate that that arena is going to be marred by the Rogers logo.

I would agree with you there. It's probably among Canada's least liked, most hated corporations.

Migs · #**435** Posted **Apr 20, 2015, 8:57 PM**

Regina stadium.

Construction of lower bowl (below grade) is well underway, you can see the piles

bkd · #**436** Posted **Apr 21, 2015, 12:15 AM**

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Originally Posted by jeremy_haak

It's unfortunate that that arena is going to be marred by the Rogers logo.

Ugh. Don't remind me.

thegx · #**437** Posted **Apr 21, 2015, 12:25 AM**

https://twitter.com/JasMiggs/status/...702720/photo/1

Daveography · #**438** Posted **Apr 21, 2015, 2:53 AM**

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elly63 · #**439** Posted **Apr 21, 2015, 9:31 AM**

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Originally Posted by Oilkountry

have you been paying attention at all?

We have, I don't think you have. I don't think anyone has mentioned direct funding from any level of government, because as you say it probably ain't gonna happen. What the Flames are likely looking for is land and several local councilors have stated they are amenable to the idea. They would be crazy not to give the land for such a legacy project including the fieldhouse which is apparently number one on the city's project wish list. And they will have to fund it if they don't partner with the Flames.

Oilkountry · #**440** Posted **Apr 21, 2015, 9:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by elly63

We have, I don't think you have. I don't think anyone has mentioned direct funding from any level of government, because as you say it probably ain't gonna happen. What the Flames are likely looking for is land and several local councilors have stated they are amenable to the idea. They would be crazy not to give the land for such a legacy project including the fieldhouse which is apparently number one on the city's project wish list. And they will have to fund it if they don't partner with the Flames.

Okay.....So how does this make me wrong? I'm saying the flames will have to build both structures with private funds.

If the proposal that they are going to eventually roll out doesn't involve asking the public for funds that why hasn't it come out yet? If They were only asking for land an the city has basically stated they are open to the idea of giving them land than why are the flames group being so careful with the process? Why not just come out and say hey look what we wanna build with our own money! Mind if we grab some land from you guys?

Basically what you're telling me is that the flames are going to build a 30,000 seat roofed stadium that will make Mosaic look like child's play and it will be 100% privately funded other than the land. HAHA not in this day and age

You don't think the field house is a ploy to sweeten the deal for the City? You don't think the flames group are gonna come out with an "off setting revenue mechanism that will recover costs" for the cities investment. And they will also have some community projects woven into the design aimed at gathering public funds.

This is going to be a 5+ year battle that will end in disappointment for the flames if they are trying to secure public money to fund the Stadium/Arena. And in the end they will save a few 100 million by building a lesser Stadium in order to build the arena right. Not sure where your argument even holds weight in this situation. I would be absolutely shocked If the flames are planning on building a $750M sports and entertainment project and all they are asking for is 30-40M worth of land after seeing the sweetheart deal 2 hours down the road.