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Old Posted Mar 7, 2010, 7:01 AM
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Richard White vacillates between being thoughtful and being a complete idiot. A few years ago he wrote a column bemoaning the fact (he assumed) that, while Montreal (he specifically said "Montreal") got immigrants from the world over, Calgary only got immigrants from out east and Sask, so we weren't as cosmopolitan. This was ignorant in two respects: One, immigrants ONLY come from outside the country. Second, Calgary has, and has had for decades, a higher rate of immigration than Montreal has. I tried to contact him about his idiocy but at the time he had no contact info in his columns.

But as to this column- there are lots of examples of malls being geographically close to downtowns- Chinook isn't even the best one; yes, it's near the geographic centre of the city, but it's still 50+ blocks south of downtown. Compare that to Portland and Lloyd Centre. And I'm sure there are tonnes and tonnes of other examples.

Also. North Hill is closer to downtown than is Chinook.
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2010, 7:05 AM
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Does downtown Calgary even get crowds of people on Stephen Ave on weekends, where it feels like you are strolling in a big city? Because even one of my professors was just saying how he found downtown Calgary very dead on weekends.
Your professor, like too many Ryerson profs, is an imbecile.

And Mike, pardon my French, but when in the fuck are you going to visit Calgary to see for yourself? You visit all these God-forsaken American shitholes and then subject us to your screeds about how wonderful they are, and you post these insults about Calgary when you've refused to visit it.
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2010, 7:05 AM
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Chinook Centre second downtown

By Richard White, Calgary HeraldMarch 6, 2010

http://www.calgaryherald.com/Chinook...974/story.html
This article is just completely absurd, I'm sure that most would consider IMAX to be a fine substitute for arts and culture. Wasn't Richard White the President of Calgary downtown association? Maybe he got fired and wants to get back at them by trashing the downtown.

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Why did Calgary allow such a large regional mall so close to it's downtown core?
If you had read the article, you would have learned that Chinook was built on the outskirts of town when it opened and the city grew around it.

For the record, I think that Chinook complements downtown. It has a great location and is easily accessible by car and transit. In the next few years we will start to see more condo office development around Chinook, much like Metrotown in Burnaby, which will improve the area a lot. Most of the upscale retail is still downtown and Eaton Centre/TD Square will become the city's premier mall once the reno's are finished.
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2010, 7:24 AM
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I don't think Vancouver's Pacific Centre and Toronto's Eaton Centre are killing their respective downtowns. It's all good.
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2010, 7:36 AM
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the article isn't saying it replaces downtown calgary its calling it a second "downtown" i don't see whats so negative about it

it sounds like expansion plans and development plans are going to make it like a second downtown with more towers and stuff
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2010, 2:49 PM
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It may be a second downtown, but it is taking some of the thunder from downtown. Stores like Tiffany and Zara usually open in downtowns for their first store in a city. Calgary saw these stores open in Chinook instead.
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2010, 2:50 PM
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Your professor, like too many Ryerson profs, is an imbecile.

And Mike, pardon my French, but when in the fuck are you going to visit Calgary to see for yourself? You visit all these God-forsaken American shitholes and then subject us to your screeds about how wonderful they are, and you post these insults about Calgary when you've refused to visit it.
He was just stating what he experienced when he was there. If the streets were quiet, they are quiet. One of the students I know at school is from Calgary, and she works for the downtown Calgary Assoc in the summer. And even she has told me they have problems with getting people downtown on weekends, and that it is really really quiet.
That aside I do want to visit Calgary. Maybe pretty soon. We will see.
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Old Posted Mar 8, 2010, 2:48 AM
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Tim Hortons to boost outlets, test drive upscale U.S. format
Doughnut-coffee chain plans 900 more stores, with one-third in U.S. and the rest in Canada

Emily Mathieu Business Reporter

Feel like some ice cream with your coffee? Or how about nibbling on a cruller on sleek seats next to a flickering stone fireplace?

Tim Hortons is preparing to test drive a new upscale restaurant format in the United States and broaden its North American product line as part of a three-year expansion plan that will include the opening of about 900 new stores.

Canada will have 600 new stores, with the majority in Quebec, Western Canada and major urban locations, bringing the national total to about 3,600.

Of the chain's existing stores, 60 will be converted to include the Cold Stone Creamery concept in partnership with an American ice cream chain, with plans to co-brand stores in the US.

In Canada, 13 locations sell the product, two in Toronto.

In the U.S., 300 new stores will open, primarily in markets in New York, Ohio and Michigan. Of the existing 563 locations, 10 will be revamped as part of a pilot project for upscale locations, featuring "enhanced finishes, fixtures and seating areas." The fireplace was part of a design shown to investors during a presentation Friday.

The restaurant operator says it plans to spend $180 million to $200 million this year to support its growth initiatives and expects the expansion will be completed by 2013.

"Our strategies will continue to transform Tim Hortons, not only adding significant scale but also introducing important additional growth layers to our business platform to extend our position as a leader in the North American restaurant industry," Don Schroeder, president and CEO, said in a statement.

"We are a growth company with significant long-term opportunities in Canada, and we are also excited by the prospects of continued profitable growth in the U.S., and potentially internationally in the longer term."

Tim Hortons shares closed at $32.73, up 81 cents or 2.54 per cent.

The company also plans to expand its menu, including more soup and sandwich offerings.

David Soberman, a professor of marketing at the Rotman School of Management at the Uni0versity of Toronto, said Tim Hortons is the dominant coffee seller in Canada, but said expansion on too many fronts can carry an element of risk.

"It you do three things very well, you know that somebody can equal you but probably can't do better. But if you try to do 20 things, eventually there are one or two things the competition can do better than you," said Soberman. "That potentially has the risk that it can affect the overall brand."

During the presentation Bill Moir, chief brand and marketing officer, said extensive research went into the expansion plans to make sure the company wouldn't alienate its core customers.

"I think there are ways to stretch the brand, you have to be careful about it but certainly fit is always one of the first questions we ask."

Some associations are a no brainer.

David Clanachan, chief operations officer, United States and International, described concepts for the new sign in the U.S., including the use of the words "café" and "bakery."

"In Canada Tim Hortons gets away with just putting Tim Hortons on their building," but in the U.S. consumers need to be drawn in, he said.

The company is aiming for same-store sales growth of 3 per cent to 5 per cent in Canada and 2 per cent to 4 per cent in the United States.

It's also aiming to earn between $1.95 and $2.05 per share.

With files from The Canadian Press
http://www.thestar.com/business/comp...ale-u-s-format

Looks like more Tims are on the way. I can already think of 4 within a block at Concordia University in Montreal. Hopefully they won't be adding any more there...
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Old Posted Mar 8, 2010, 2:59 AM
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Hooray! Perhaps this will balance off the noticeable absence of Tim's in Montreal.

As for Chinook, I think calling it a second downtown is an overstatement. Large malls in even smaller cities will often have more people mulling around than most streets (especially in winter). The first time I visited it I remember being underwhelmed that this was the biggest mall in Calgary (this coming from someone raised in rural sask). I don't see how it's any different than any mall built on an urban fringe that has been surrounded by a fast growing city and now acts as a bit of a hub for retail and entertainment.
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Looks like more Tims are on the way. I can already think of 4 within a block at Concordia University in Montreal. Hopefully they won't be adding any more there...
In Hamilton this isn't rare especially in busy intersections. There's an intersection that has a Tim Horton's on each in Hamilton.

What's really nuts is having a regular Tim Horton's and next door another Tim Horton's expect it's a drive-thru. Another one is a regular Tim Horton's and a gas station behind it with a Tim Horton's inside the gas station.
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Old Posted Mar 8, 2010, 3:12 AM
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Second, Calgary has, and has had for decades, a higher rate of immigration than Montreal has.
While its true that Calgary attracts a higher rate of immigrants relative to its population than Montreal, Montreal does have a more "diverse" immigrant pool, which is what that guy said.
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It may be a second downtown, but it is taking some of the thunder from downtown. Stores like Tiffany and Zara usually open in downtowns for their first store in a city. Calgary saw these stores open in Chinook instead.
The only Tiffany's in Calgary is located inside Holt Renfrew in the CORE (Eaton Centre/TD Square) Downtown. Plus with the new reno's of the CORE mall DT, there are apparently plenty more big announcements coming down the pipe regarding retail in the Calgary market
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re: Tim Hortons to boost outlets, test drive upscale U.S. format

Egads! I hope we don't get any more of these shithole, swill-dispensing dumps in Montréal.
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Apparently one of the new "upscale" locations will be in Oakville. Go figure. The stone cold creamery stuff isn't bad though, certainly FAR better than anything Tim's has to offer.

God forbid any new locations in central Toronto though. We've had an explosion of GOOD coffee shops in the last year so good riddance to Tim's. They opened a location at Christie station to my horror, in the location of a former 24 hr Korean place (which was very sketchy). There is so much more that location could house. Luckily the nearest Tim Hortons to me is 1.5km away, yet there are at least 6 independent coffee places in that radius, most of which could qualify as third-wave (thanks for the term Rusty).
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Old Posted Mar 8, 2010, 6:58 AM
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It may be a second downtown, but it is taking some of the thunder from downtown. Stores like Tiffany and Zara usually open in downtowns for their first store in a city. Calgary saw these stores open in Chinook instead.
As Doug_Cgy mentioned, there is no Tiffany & Co. located in Chinook Centre. Tiffany along with stores like Holt Renfrew, Harry Rosen, Hermes, Betsey Johnson, Club Monaco, and Banana Republic have all established their flagship stores in The Core Shopping Centre and Fashion Central located on Stephen Avenue in the heart of the the CBD. The fact that retail establishments have chosen to setup on Stephen Avenue confirms that retailers recognize the importance of our downtown area and that suburban shopping malls will not be able to replace the vitality of downtown Calgary.
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You are going to see a lot of ceramic tile floors, stainless steel interior signage, modern furniture and dining design, fireplace, artwork and artistic lighting with these new Tim Horton's locations. They are taking the same approach as McDonald's has done with renvoating their chains. Wouldn't be surprised if this would include free WIFI.
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Good on a Canadian company like Tim's for doing well... I just don't know why!

The coffee sweetened up is average at best, and the rest of the menu minus the Chili is garbage. Donuts are better at Robins or any gas bar selling 3 day old Krispy Cremes, the greasy breakfast sandwiches are far superior at McDonalds and their coffee's no worse, if not better. I can't even compare Tim's subs to anything because I haven't tasted anything worse, anywhere!

So what's the fucking love affair with this place?
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"So what's the fucking love affair with this place?"

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Good on a Canadian company like Tim's for doing well... I just don't know why!

The coffee sweetened up is average at best, and the rest of the menu minus the Chili is garbage. Donuts are better at Robins or any gas bar selling 3 day old Krispy Cremes, the greasy breakfast sandwiches are far superior at McDonalds and their coffee's no worse, if not better. I can't even compare Tim's subs to anything because I haven't tasted anything worse, anywhere!

So what's the fucking love affair with this place?
I don't get it either. It's bland crap people get almost out of blind patriotism. McDonald's has them beat by far on both the breakfast sandwich and coffee front. Even Dunkin has better donuts, but Tim's put the one here right out of business.

If you want to support a decent Canadian coffee chain....go to Second Cup.
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^or an independent.

On my walk to work in the morning I often cannot understand (xenophobia?)why people are lined up 10 or 15 deep at TH, SC, SB, when some of the independents with far better legal drug choices and fresher pastries sit marginally empty.
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