Canadian Federal Election

[Truenorth00]

I have no idea if Carney and the Libs prevail till the end. But I'm satisfied that Poilievre and the CPC are paying a price for the exhausting, perpetual culture war and conspiracy BS that they imported from the Republicans.

People's jobs are on the line. And these mofos want to talk about the WEF, globalists and Carney's wife's third's cousin's dog having a photo walking by Epstein's third dog. And they wonder why people don't take their half hearted opposition to Trump seriously. They seem to care more about Carney than Trump. And they show that everyday.

[O-tacular]

No wonder Poilievre was so desperate for an election before the holidays.

[Mr Tall Forehead]

Pierre just seems like a character Eugene Levy would do on an SCTV skit. I can’t take him seriously.

[Marty_Mcfly]

Originally Posted by whatnext

The Liberals should be wary of being too cocky. Trump is so unpredictable he could try some stunt to pull the rug out from Carney a week before the vote.

The Liberals go from zero to arrogant real fast, they do need to be a little careful.

Blanchet did have a point yesterday; scheduling a meeting for after the election is a bit presumptuous. But whatever, fine, I think we can all read the writing on the walls in this election. However, Carney really didn't have to respond by saying that one thing is clear, that Blanchet wouldn't be at the meeting. Reign in the attitude a little sheesh.

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

I have no idea if Carney and the Libs prevail till the end. But I'm satisfied that Poilievre and the CPC are paying a price for the exhausting, perpetual culture war and conspiracy BS that they imported from the Republicans.

People's jobs are on the line. And these mofos want to talk about the WEF, globalists and Carney's wife's third's cousin's dog having a photo walking by Epstein's third dog. And they wonder why people don't take their half hearted opposition to Trump seriously. They seem to care more about Carney than Trump. And they show that everyday.

In the words of Alfred e Newman, “what, me worry!”

Why worry about trump, he now seems to respect our sovereignty, all of a sudden!

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by Hecate

Why worry about trump, he now seems to respect our sovereignty, all of a sudden!

Trump has the attention span of a paramecium.

"Look, a squirrel!!!!"

Just wait 10 minutes and Canada won't be a real country again, and will be filled by Godless communists requiring immediate military intervention by the US.

[Wigs]

A reminder that Poilievre's been useless since before he was eligible for a full government pension at age 31, and in the over 15 years since.

Here's my 3 word slogan:
Most useless Canadian

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[OldDartmouthMark]

Originally Posted by Mr Tall Forehead

Pierre just seems like a character Eugene Levy would do on an SCTV skit. I can’t take him seriously.

[missing_middle]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

I have no idea if Carney and the Libs prevail till the end. But I'm satisfied that Poilievre and the CPC are paying a price for the exhausting, perpetual culture war and conspiracy BS that they imported from the Republicans.

People's jobs are on the line. And these mofos want to talk about the WEF, globalists and Carney's wife's third's cousin's dog having a photo walking by Epstein's third dog. And they wonder why people don't take their half hearted opposition to Trump seriously. They seem to care more about Carney than Trump. And they show that everyday.

As far I can tell there is no major difference between the Liberals and Conservatives in terms of actually dealing with the US beyond who is stronger at "The Resistance" style politicking.

No side is immune from culture warring. Some progressive culture warring has had economic consequences in terms of energy and housing.

[OldDartmouthMark]

Originally Posted by missing_middle

No side is immune from culture warring. Some progressive culture warring has had economic consequences in terms of energy and housing.

IMHO, a large part of the reason we (and the US) are in such a mess is the culture warring on both sides…

[missing_middle]

Originally Posted by OldDartmouthMark

IMHO, a large part of the reason we (and the US) are in such a mess is the culture warring on both sides…

Yeah but I also don't really see an alternative in a free society. National politics just becomes the default forum because it's the most generalized/abstract level of politics.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by missing_middle

As far I can tell there is no major difference between the Liberals and Conservatives in terms of actually dealing with the US beyond who is stronger at "The Resistance" style politicking.

I think there are differences. The CPC isn't willing, for example, to reduce dependency on the US. They talk about selling more oil elsewhere. But that's it. Ask them if they'd reduce defence sourcing from the US. It's honestly why people don't buy the sincerity on dealing with Trump. If you're an autoworker in Windsor, you have to be wondering how quickly these guys would sell you out to sell a few more barrels of oil to the US. Hell, you gotta wonder if these guys will sell you out just to get one more Ben Shapiro interview.

Originally Posted by missing_middle

No side is immune from culture warring. Some progressive culture warring has had economic consequences in terms of energy and housing.

Neither side is immune. But the one that is now leading on this front is the CPC. The LPC tossed out their chief culture warrior.

[Djeffery]

Originally Posted by Marty_Mcfly

The Liberals go from zero to arrogant real fast, they do need to be a little careful.

Blanchet did have a point yesterday; scheduling a meeting for after the election is a bit presumptuous. But whatever, fine, I think we can all read the writing on the walls in this election. However, Carney really didn't have to respond by saying that one thing is clear, that Blanchet wouldn't be at the meeting. Reign in the attitude a little sheesh.

I don't think it's that presumptuous, Trump didn't say "I look forward to meeting Mark after the election". It was more like President and Prime Minister, not Don and Mark. Whomever the PM might be. And Carney did say he looked to put the work in to be the person at that table.

Anyway, I watched Pierre's speech from Winnipeg this morning and man, does he ever seem off his game. He normally doesn't fumble with his words like that. Like he was grasping "I'm going to do this, oh and I'm going to do that, and radical Liberals and um, Lost Liberal Decade". And he was coughing a lot, a bad time to catch a cold. His wealthy corporate backers will be happy to hear he is going to remove the tax break for flying corporate jets (he said, minutes after stepping off his private jet lol)

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by Djeffery

Anyway, I watched Pierre's speech from Winnipeg this morning and man, does he ever seem off his game. He normally doesn't fumble with his words like that. Like he was grasping "I'm going to do this, oh and I'm going to do that, and radical Liberals and um, Lost Liberal Decade". And he was coughing a lot, a bad time to catch a cold. His wealthy corporate backers will be happy to hear he is going to remove the tax break for flying corporate jets (he said, minutes after stepping off his private jet lol)

To be fair to PP, the poor fellow quite literally has had the brass ring ltorn from his grasp by circumstances beyond his control. I am not at all surprised that he seems off his game. His chief foil (JT) is gone, and his main rallying cry (axe the tax) has no meaning any more. At the same time, Herr Adolf Drumpf and his annexation talk has quite literally made his new opponent (Carney) into Captain Canada.

How could he possibly develop a new strategy to deal with this on the fly. It is darn near impossible. I'm sure PP is physically ill over this - not eating, not sleeping and suffering from nervous exhaustion. His dream is being extinguished before his very eyes.........

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by whatnext

The Liberals should be wary of being too cocky. Trump is so unpredictable he could try some stunt to pull the rug out from Carney a week before the vote.

Less Trump. But I expect a much tighter race after the debates. I like Carney because he isn't much of a politician. But that is also why he's in for a really rough time.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

To be fair to PP, the poor fellow quite literally has had the brass ring ltorn from his grasp by circumstances beyond his control. I am not at all surprised that he seems off his game. His chief foil (JT) is gone, and his main rallying cry (axe the tax) has no meaning any more. At the same time, Herr Adolf Drumpf and his annexation talk has quite literally made his new opponent (Carney) into Captain Canada.

How could he possibly develop a new strategy to deal with this on the fly. It is darn near impossible. I'm sure PP is physically ill over this - not eating, not sleeping and suffering from nervous exhaustion. His dream is being extinguished before his very eyes.........

Dude could actually try going after Trump sincerely for once. He delivers some half hearted line about Trump and then savages the Liberals. Not the energy people are looking for right now.

I find it interesting. My parents were out of Canada for 4 months. They came back to all kinds of crazy news about Trump and annexation. They were blissfully unaware for a few weeks. At least the severity. Within a week, they decided to vote Carney. They didn't vote Liberal in 2021. It's amazing to see how people discovering there's an election and seeing the main issue react.

[missing_middle]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

I think there are differences. The CPC isn't willing, for example, to reduce dependency on the US. They talk about selling more oil elsewhere. But that's it. Ask them if they'd reduce defence sourcing from the US. It's honestly why people don't buy the sincerity on dealing with Trump. If you're an autoworker in Windsor, you have to be wondering how quickly these guys would sell you out to sell a few more barrels of oil to the US. Hell, you gotta wonder if these guys will sell you out just to get one more Ben Shapiro interview.

Simple question. Which is more realistic? Fossil fuels to tidewater or cars to tidewater?

I am not against the Ontario auto industry but:

A) Our strategy is kinda fucked. Not much beyond branch plant subsidization mainly for US export.
B) Off-continent exports are trickier than fossil fuels.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by missing_middle

Simple question. Which is more realistic? Fossil fuels to tidewater or cars to tidewater?

I am not against the Ontario auto industry but:

A) Our strategy is kinda fucked. Not much beyond branch plant subsidization mainly for US export.
B) Off-continent exports are trickier than fossil fuels.

You don't need a pipeline for cars.

There is already a large autoport in Halifax. We see trains composed mostly of railcars carrying automobiles passing through Moncton all the time. It is a big part of CNs business in the east.

An automobile industry could be resurrected in Canada if the tariff war goes badly. It will require massive federal coordination and interprovincial cooperation, but, if Korea and Germany can have important home grown automobile industries, there is no reason why we can not do this in Canada too.

[jamincan]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

- Green may be reduced to only Elizabeth May now.

From what I've seen it is actually May who is more vulnerable and Morrice is more likely to retain his seat.

[casper]

Originally Posted by missing_middle

Simple question. Which is more realistic? Fossil fuels to tidewater or cars to tidewater?

I am not against the Ontario auto industry but:

A) Our strategy is kinda fucked. Not much beyond branch plant subsidization mainly for US export.
B) Off-continent exports are trickier than fossil fuels.

Oil is a commodity. Yes, there are different formulations and refineries are optimized for one over the other. Fundamentally its a commodity. Getting it to tidewater and into a world market is easier. You sell it by tanker.

You need to sell those car one at a time to end consumers. That means the local OEM organization in that country.

Autos are a consumer product. The local branch of the OEM in that country will make a call and decide which models they will bring in to the country and sell. Then they will bring it in from their sister companies where its made.

When Ford was founded 100 years ago in Canada it was the parent company of the other Ford subsidiaries in the commonwealth. The CEO of Ford Australia and Ford South Africa reported to the CEO of Ford Canada. At some point that all changed and they restructured around Ford Europe, Ford North America and so on.

Our Plan A for Autos should still be to get something like the AutoPact that we had before free trade where the OEM is allowed to import/export duty free up to the market share.

If we can't get that then Plan B should be for Ford Canada to become part of Ford Europe. GM Canada to become part of GM Europe, etc. Common models and road standards across the Canada and the EU.

GM would be the weird one. GM has no manufacturing in Europe. What they sell there is fairly limited and imported.