Canadian Federal Election

[drew]

Originally Posted by theman23

Sorry, no excuses. I'm glad that Kinew has apparently turned his life around and is not beating up Indian cab drivers anymore, but a man who took part in a racially motivated attack on another will never get my vote unless the alternative is something absurd (like literally voting for Hitler).

You sound exactly like my brother (who of course did not vote for Kinew) - with this very black and white view of "he did this so I won't do that" (you even went into Goodwin's Law territory).

IMO, in this particular case, it's definitely in the realm of grey. There is always something to be said for a person who evolves from doing shitty stuff in their 20s to achieving what Kinew has now. And rightly or wrongly, his crimes need to be weighed against the fact he is indigenous. Him becoming a beacon or goal for indigenous youth - especially male, and especially those who do not have a lily white background - is far more important for reconciliation in this country and especially this province (again IMO) than focusing solely on something he did in his past.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by drew

You sound exactly like my brother (who of course did not vote for Kinew) - with this very black and white view of "he did this so I won't do that" (you even went into Goodwin's Law territory).

IMO, in this particular case, it's definitely in the realm of grey. There is always something to be said for a person who evolves from doing shitty stuff in their 20s to achieving what Kinew has now. And rightly or wrongly, his crimes need to be weighed against the fact he is indigenous. Him becoming a beacon or goal for indigenous youth - especially male, and especially those who do not have a lily white background - is far more important for reconciliation in this country and especially this province (again IMO) than focusing solely on something he did in his past.

^Well said.

[theman23]

Originally Posted by drew

You sound exactly like my brother (who of course did not vote for Kinew) - with this very black and white view of "he did this so I won't do that" (you even went into Goodwin's Law territory).

IMO, in this particular case, it's definitely in the realm of grey. There is always something to be said for a person who evolves from doing shitty stuff in their 20s to achieving what Kinew has now. And rightly or wrongly, his crimes need to be weighed against the fact he is indigenous. Him becoming a beacon or goal for indigenous youth - especially male, and especially those who do not have a lily white background - is far more important for reconciliation in this country and especially this province (again IMO) than focusing solely on something he did in his past.

You're completely mischaracterizing what I said. I didn't compare his behavior to Hitler - I said there would be some extreme circumstances where I would consider voting for Kinew, with the Hitler example just being the first thing that came to mind. A less extreme example would be if I were to choose between Kinew, Hegseth or Trump I would pick Kinew. But thankfully I would never have to make this decision. The absurdity of the scenario is to demonstrate how unlikely I am to vote for him.

This isn't the type of thing I'm willing to give him a break on. What type of message does it send to Indo Canadians, who are also experience significant amounts of racism and abuse in this country at the moment, if we were to elect a Prime Minister with this type of history?

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by theman23

You're completely mischaracterizing what I said. I didn't compare his behavior to Hitler - I said there would be some extreme circumstances where I would consider voting for Kinew, with the Hitler example just being the first thing that came to mind. A less extreme example would be if I were to choose between Kinew, Hegseth or Trump I would pick Kinew. But thankfully I would never have to make this decision. The absurdity of the scenario is to demonstrate how unlikely I am to vote for him.

This isn't the type of thing I'm willing to give him a break on. What type of message does it send to Indo Canadians, who are also experience significant amounts of racism and abuse in this country at the moment, if we were to elect a Prime Minister with this type of history?

I might actually vote for someone like Kinew but I fully understand where you are coming from. So I get why you would be hesitant to have him as your elected leader. I think both mine and yours are perfectly rational positions to take. What he did isn't as banal as stealing a pack of gum in a dépanneur.

[Acajack]

Has anyone ever looked into how the taxi driver and his family are doing, 20 years later? Stuff like that can leave people traumatized and scarred for life.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I might actually vote for someone like Kinew but I fully understand where you are coming from. So I get why you would be hesitant to have him as your elected leader. I think both mine and yours are perfectly rational positions to take. What he did isn't as banal as stealing a pack of gum in a dépanneur.

Many Conservatives apply the "What If" factor in things like this. What if Poilievre wore the blackface? What if Don Trump Jr was on camera smoking crack? Would results be the same? Anyone who isn't an ideological zealot would have to say no. What if Rob Ford beat up an Indian cab driver, would anyone think that would be forgiven politically. I think not. This kind of SJWing should be thrown on the trash heap of history.

[theman23]

Nvm

[elly63]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Has anyone ever looked into how the taxi driver and his family are doing, 20 years later? Stuff like that can leave people traumatized and scarred for life.

It does. Three guys tried to break into my house and it affected me for a long time. I was so scared that I forgot I had my father's Winchester rifle in the closet. My brother was laughing telling me hey dumbass why didn't you go get the Winchester.

So, I would also have to ask would the Indian cab driver be forgiven if his life was threatened by blowing their heads off.

I seem to recall Trudeau getting involved in the trial of a farmer who was minding his own business when a bunch of natives came on his property were harrassing his wife and the one who got killed had a rifle in his lap. Would Trudeau have gotten involved if a bunch of rednecks invaded a native's property? I really have no time for people who defend this shit.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by elly63

Many Conservatives apply the "What If" factor in things like this. What if Poilievre wore the blackface?.

The blackface picture of Trudeau was irrelevant to the majority of voters. He was at a party (possiblly Halloween), and having fun. It was amplified by the far-right, and Trudeau was painted as a racist, to obviously to distract from real issues.

In North America, we are seeing this first hand with the culture wars. Far-right media has somehow convinced that "transgender issues" is a threat to our way of life, when in the real World, most people never cared about this. It's to distract people from addressing real issues- the income gap, no health care for millions of Americans, cost of living, and human rights issues.

As for Hunter Biden, I feel terrible for him, especially considering the Trump children are far worse. Having a family member with a substance abuse issue is a plight millions of North Americans families go through, as it's relatively common. If we were to go back 50 years, nearly every President has had a family member that is wayward (Carter's brother, Reagan's daughter, Clinton's half brother, Obama's half Kenyan brother, and the entire Trump family). The Trump Administration went after Hunter Biden to hurt his father. It's disgusting and reprehensible to do so.

[dleung]

I would vote for the likes of JD Vance or Stephen Miller, despite what they're currently doing to the US and the world, if 20 years later they've truly repented and are working with the good guys. The key is whether the person's past actions reflect any current corruption of character. At this point, I need more proven track record from Kinew before supporting him though.

Whereas we already know the answer to conservative considerations of "what if our guy did it" with one glance south to all the senate confirmations of rapists, acquittals of high crimes, and pardoning of cop-attackers

[Hecate]

Wab kinew is great at saying what he needs to to get what he wants, the cab driver he assaulted, the ex girlfriend he assaulted, the homophobic tweets, the dui involving a high speed chase and ramming two police cruisers. But my personal favorite…

Wab used to be an indigenous corespondent for the cbc, during the attawapiskat ordeal he was on the radio telling Canadians how awful and racist they were for neglecting those kids. Leaving them living in abhorrent living conditions. Every day he had something to say about how awful we are. Then he tweeted this.

“Riding in my limo back to my king sized sweet feeling really bad for those kids in attawapiskat. #haha #terrible #inative”

That did it for me.

He was 30 at the time.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

The blackface picture of Trudeau was irrelevant to the majority of voters. He was at a party (possiblly Halloween), and having fun. It was amplified by the far-right, and Trudeau was painted as a racist, to obviously to distract from real issues.

In North America, we are seeing this first hand with the culture wars. Far-right media has somehow convinced that "transgender issues" is a threat to our way of life, when in the real World, most people never cared about this. It's to distract people from addressing real issues- the income gap, no health care for millions of Americans, cost of living, and human rights issues.

As for Hunter Biden, I feel terrible for him, especially considering the Trump children are far worse. Having a family member with a substance abuse issue is a plight millions of North Americans families go through, as it's relatively common. If we were to go back 50 years, nearly every President has had a family member that is wayward (Carter's brother, Reagan's daughter, Clinton's half brother, Obama's half Kenyan brother, and the entire Trump family). The Trump Administration went after Hunter Biden to hurt his father. It's disgusting and reprehensible to do so.

If Hitler ran for the Liberals instead of the NSDAP you'd defend him

[Hecate]

Poverty in Manitobas indigenous communities continues to grow.

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by elly63

If Hitler ran for the Liberals instead of the NSDAP you'd defend him

You are out of line here.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

You are out of line here.

So is your biased posting while being a mod, we're even.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by elly63

If Hitler ran for the Liberals instead of the NSDAP you'd defend him

Godwin's law: The proposition that the longer an internet argument goes on, the higher the probability becomes that something or someone will be compared to Adolf Hitler.

[Hecate]

So Canada is investing in advertising on billboards in MAGA country. lol they are anti tariff messages intended to reach trump supporters. honestly I think it’s a good idea, but the question needs to be asked… is this foreign election interference?

[elly63]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

Godwin's law: The proposition that the longer an internet argument goes on, the higher the probability becomes that something or someone will be compared to Adolf Hitler.

His era is a good example for so many cases. You could draw some parallels with what's happening in the US now to 1930s Germany.

[theman23]

Originally Posted by Hecate

So Canada is investing in advertising on billboards in MAGA country. lol they are anti tariff messages intended to reach trump supporters. honestly I think it’s a good idea, but the question needs to be asked… is this foreign election interference?

They really should just hire me to manage this.

But to answer your question, no.

EDIT: Oops sorry, forgot to mention that I'm not a legal expert!

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by Hecate

So Canada is investing in advertising on billboards in MAGA country. lol they are anti tariff messages intended to reach trump supporters. honestly I think it’s a good idea, but the question needs to be asked… is this foreign election interference?

Is there an election happening in the US?