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View Poll Results: Which 'historic' districts should be opened for dense (25+ Stories) development?
West End 'Villages' (Denman, Davie, Robson) 21 55.26%
Gastown 11 28.95%
Chinatown 16 42.11%
Yaletown Historic District 10 26.32%
DTES (Strathcona) 20 52.63%
South False Creek 24 63.16%
Granville Entertainment District 22 57.89%
Shaughnessy 17 44.74%
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As a Gastown resident, I don't like the idea of a car free Water St, feel they can narrow the road a bit (it's semi 2 lanes now) and get rid of most of the parking to push people into the underused city parkade. Allow a few spots for tour buses and city buses to pickup/drop off. And no issue with Cordova turning into a two way street all the way to the diversion, although it's already a mess with volume now carrying afternoon traffic out of the core. The city's patio policy during covid wasn't that successful in Gastown. Waterstreet cafe, Pourhouse, Bambo,GPO never bothered to keep their patios afterwards, Abattoir doesn't use theirs, Monarca has a patio that is never occupied, believe Robba di Matti got rid of theirs too, the only ones that are ever used in good weather are Old Spaghetti Factory, Local, The Greek and 6 Acres of which only the Greeks is off their property. The two SROs at 112 and 122 Water street really hurt that stretch as does the VFS which doesn't do anything to activate the street. Glad to see the city finally give Gastown some love, just hope they are careful in their decisions.
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Gastown would have lacked significant volume with the cruise ships gone during COVID and the patio initiative. I don't think they'll be doing anything permanent to start, but hopefully they can try it a few times this summer and see how things go.
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Fixing the brick pavers wouldn't hurt either - that can be done with or without pedestrianization.
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Fixing the brick pavers wouldn't hurt either - that can be done with or without pedestrianization.
Although maintaining them once they are fixed will undoubtedly be cheaper than if cars were still allowed.

Water Street is perfect for pedestrianization. The road is incredibly poor at throughput past Columbus. Meanwhile you have a perfect candidate nearby (Cordova) that, with the removal of curbside parking, could handle 2+2 lanes between Main and Richards.
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Ah, but then where'll the 12% who drive to Gastown park? The stores'll lose business! /s
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Because you are surrounded by historic buildings, Gastown has probly the best patio experience in the city. Maybe lack of residents in the immediate area is holding it back.
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As a Gastown resident, I don't like the idea of a car free Water St, feel they can narrow the road a bit (it's semi 2 lanes now) and get rid of most of the parking to push people into the underused city parkade. Allow a few spots for tour buses and city buses to pickup/drop off. And no issue with Cordova turning into a two way street all the way to the diversion, although it's already a mess with volume now carrying afternoon traffic out of the core. The city's patio policy during covid wasn't that successful in Gastown. Waterstreet cafe, Pourhouse, Bambo,GPO never bothered to keep their patios afterwards, Abattoir doesn't use theirs, Monarca has a patio that is never occupied, believe Robba di Matti got rid of theirs too, the only ones that are ever used in good weather are Old Spaghetti Factory, Local, The Greek and 6 Acres of which only the Greeks is off their property. The two SROs at 112 and 122 Water street really hurt that stretch as does the VFS which doesn't do anything to activate the street. Glad to see the city finally give Gastown some love, just hope they are careful in their decisions.
The most vibrant street in Oxford UK is Cornmarket Street, and it is a car-free street. There are plenty of other examples throughout the world.

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https://vancouversun.com/news/vancouver-heritage-buildings-register-cultural-diversity

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Vancouver drops 'Eurocentric' approach to how buildings are chosen for city's heritage register

New system looks to take a broader approach to heritage that will consider the 'intangible' elements of a building

The City of Vancouver has changed its approach to how buildings get added to the heritage register to better reflect cultural diversity.

Whereas in the past, buildings were chosen mostly for their physical attributes, such as the Art Deco-style Marine Building downtown, the new expanded criteria will take into account a building’s “intangible” elements, including cultural traditions, memories and lived experiences associated with the building. This could, for instance, encompass structures such as the old, wooden Victorian houses in what was formerly known as Little Tokyo.
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Zlatan Jankovic, a senior heritage planner for the city, said in an email that the previous grading system was “largely centred on Eurocentric cultural values, restricting the types of places considered eligible.”

So the city has shifted to a new methodology “embracing community-centred approaches that better represent the cultural diversity of Vancouver.”

In the past, a Heritage-A building was regarded as a “primary significant” structure, Heritage-B as “significant” and Heritage-C as a “character or contextual” building.

In practice, this meant that Heritage-A buildings tended to be larger commercial structures or mansions, such as Hycroft Manor in Shaughnessy, while the lesser grades were smaller commercial buildings, apartments or houses.

“The former numerical system used for evaluating architectural significance has been replaced with a values-based approach,” according to the city’s website. “This updated methodology prioritizes the meaning of a place to the community, integrating cultural traditions, practices, and historical associations together with the building’s physical design.”

Heritage expert Don Luxton said the new approach was proposed back in 2017, when he helped put together a “Heritage Action Plan” for the city.

“It may actually send a message to stop grading heritage so that we only care about 200 A-listed buildings,” Luxton said. “Its an outdated 1970s idea.”

Civic historian John Atkin sees it as a positive step and in keeping with current practices in cities across North America and parts of western Europe.

“It’s going in the direction that I think is a correct one, going away from the physical, built heritage to looking at the deeper meanings of place and site, the so-called intangible side of things.”

Atkin said in Vancouver’s case, it can bring in Indigenous heritage that may have been previously missed.

“When you preserve a building but you don’t offer the layers of context of a site, I think that sometimes stops history in its tracks,” he said.

“A building in Chinatown might actually sit on the (old) shore of False Creek, which was also a food-gathering area for the local Indigenous population, or a canoe pullout or whatever. There might be layers there, that’s where they’re heading with it.”
More poison pills for development on the way. "Heritage building" might just mean "an indigenous person was here once", now.
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This doesn’t necessarily mean many significant heritage structures will be kept. But in theory if a developer wanted to do a project on Alexander, the developer could go to the city with a statement of significance for 412-414 Alexander and get more density for retaining and designating the houses.
We'll see how it works out.
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This really makes me angry. Both Holborn and the City are at fault for not ensuring that this 1909-built heritage building is kept in tip-top condition. Another example of how turning heritage buildings into SROs will ensure their destruction: either through neglect or constant abuse. Many structures were burned down in this region because they house irresponsible addicts who smoke, etc. Others are neglected so much they cannot be utilized to their fullest potential to house ordinary people, or turn into profitable business venues such as hotels or hostels, retail or food & beverage businesses. I am very appalled at what this City has come to.

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Imminent collapse risk: City of Vancouver to order demolition of heritage Dunsmuir Street SRO building
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Nothing lasts forever. Something newer and better will be built here, don't fret it.
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Just because it's old doesn't mean it needs to be saved.

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This really makes me angry. Both Holborn and the City are at fault for not ensuring that this 1909-built heritage building is kept in tip-top condition. Another example of how turning heritage buildings into SROs will ensure their destruction: either through neglect or constant abuse. Many structures were burned down in this region because they house irresponsible addicts who smoke, etc. Others are neglected so much they cannot be utilized to their fullest potential to house ordinary people, or turn into profitable business venues such as hotels or hostels, retail or food & beverage businesses. I am very appalled at what this City has come to.
Did you even read the article and the history of this building? Wait, I know the answer.
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Nothing lasts forever. Something newer and better will be built here, don't fret it.
That kind of architecture doesn’t get built anymore, so it is a big loss imo.
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That kind of architecture doesn’t get built anymore, so it is a big loss imo.
Untrue, there's nothing stopping us from building modern interpretations of early 20th century architectural styles.

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Preserving these lightwells would be bad, IMO.
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As someone who lean to the side of historical preservation, I think it's less important to keep every old building as it is, than to allow some old buildings to be demolished in exchange for the new building to have a historical design. Not a modern interpretation, like the same design an old building would have architecturally. This should especially be the case when old buildings are deliberately left to rot like with 500 Dunsmuir.

Although in my opinion this should be the case in all neighborhoods, areas like Gastown and Strathcona should have simple guidelines that say all new buildings must faithfully mimic older architectural styles. People care about the neighborhood looking old, not that the individual bricks are from the 1800s.
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As someone who lean to the side of historical preservation, I think it's less important to keep every old building as it is, than to allow some old buildings to be demolished in exchange for the new building to have a historical design. Not a modern interpretation, like the same design an old building would have architecturally. This should especially be the case when old buildings are deliberately left to rot like with 500 Dunsmuir.

Although in my opinion this should be the case in all neighborhoods, areas like Gastown and Strathcona should have simple guidelines that say all new buildings must faithfully mimic older architectural styles. People care about the neighborhood looking old, not that the individual bricks are from the 1800s.
I've been inside many a old building slated for development that are still empty today (the two I'm thinking of have been vacant for 5-6 years by now), and the list of upgrades required to get it up to snuff would be insane. The biggest thing is usually fire code and exit related. Imagine gutting and expanding elevator shafts and stairways.
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I've been inside many a old building slated for development that are still empty today (the two I'm thinking of have been vacant for 5-6 years by now), and the list of upgrades required to get it up to snuff would be insane. The biggest thing is usually fire code and exit related. Imagine gutting and expanding elevator shafts and stairways.
Or old rundown wood townhouses with no sprinkler systems.
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