New Civic Hospital connection to Dow’s Lake Station | Proposed

[kmcamp]

Looks like the city has begun the work to figure out how to connect Dow's lake station to the TOH

https://ottawa.ca/en/city-hall/publi...c-0a36f6ca9e8e

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by kmcamp

Looks like the city has begun the work to figure out how to connect Dow's lake station to the TOH

https://ottawa.ca/en/city-hall/publi...c-0a36f6ca9e8e

Very important project. Province better provide funding for this at least. I am afraid of yet another major shut down for construction.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by kmcamp

Looks like the city has begun the work to figure out how to connect Dow's lake station to the TOH

https://ottawa.ca/en/city-hall/publi...c-0a36f6ca9e8e

And not a moment too soon!

[passwordisnt123]

Originally Posted by kmcamp

Looks like the city has begun the work to figure out how to connect Dow's lake station to the TOH

https://ottawa.ca/en/city-hall/publi...c-0a36f6ca9e8e

If only the Trilium Line had recently been shut down for several years, that would have presented an excellent opportunity to potentially reconfigure the station to accomplish this objective.

[LRTeverywhere]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Very important project. Province better provide funding for this at least. I am afraid of yet another major shut down for construction.

I believe part of the agreement for the approval of the hospital was that the hospital fund what ever the EA determines is the best solution.

[kmcamp]

Originally Posted by passwordisnt123

If only the Trilium Line had recently been shut down for several years, that would have presented an excellent opportunity to potentially reconfigure the station to accomplish this objective.

Notice that "bridge" is a possible option. My guess is that's what they will do, even though it's likely the least convenient connection

[OTownandDown]

Dows lake station was such an afterthought station to begin with, and the 'upgrades' haven't been that spectacular. If they have just had the wherewithal to centre the station under Carling, you'd have 1. A free roof. 2. Access to the garage vertical transportation system (see: Elevator and stairs). 3. Public access from the north side of Carling, as any normal station would.

The fact that nobody can coordinate with eachother because it's too hard is an understatement.

[Kitchissippi]

I think if they treated this the same way they've been doing rapid bridge replacement on the Queensway it would be possible to do it without shutting the line for a lengthy period.

1) Close down half of Carling, squeeze traffic on the other half.
2) Dig trenches on either side parallel to the tracks to build support piles spaced farther apart.
3) Prefabricate the bridge spans in the adjacent parking lot.
4) Shut the train service, quickly remove old bridge span and dig a wider trench between the new supports over several days/weeks, then move and lower the new spans in place.
5) Resume train service and rinse and repeat on the other half of Carling.

If the spans are wide enough to accommodate a centre platform station, building the rest after should be pretty straightforward.

[J.OT13]

Initial study findings for the Dow's Lake Station connection to the new Civic Hospital are out. There's a consultation at Tom Brown tonight.

https://ottawa.ca/en/city-hall/publi...a-f34d6e04ad22

Here are a few images from the preferred bridge option.





I'm extremely disappointed in the outcome. We knew in 2017 that the new Civic would be going at Dow's Lake, and Line 2 was shutting down in 2020 for, what we thought at the time, two years. The stars were aligned for an increase in scope of Stage 2 South that could see a fully rebuild of Dow's Lake with double tracking and a seamless integration with the hospital's parking garage.

Instead, we had Line 2 proceed as planned with no significant improvements to Dow's Lake (other than a redundant elevator and extended platform) and the Civic Hospital design work go on in silos, with little consideration form one another. None for Stage 2. Now we'll end up with this disconnected half measure in perpetuity. Even when Dow's Lake Station is expanded, it will be impossible to integrate it properly with the bridge.

This is by no means a criticism of the team that led the design for the bridge. They did what they could with the late timeline and a clear mandate to keep costs as low as possible. This is better than nothing, but it's not great. And Dow's Lake Station WILL be way over capacity the day the new hospital opens.

[rocketphish]

This pedestrian bridge is neither part of the O-Train project, nor part of the Civic Hospital project, so it's getting its own thread.


And here's the elevation view:

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by rocketphish

This pedestrian bridge is neither part of the O-Train project, nor part of the Civic Hospital project, so it's getting its own thread.

That makes sense.

[kmcamp]

At least in the lemonade from lemons perspective it looks like they are thinking of how it would integrate into a future Dows Lake station once they double track

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by kmcamp

At least in the lemonade from lemons perspective it looks like they are thinking of how it would integrate into a future Dows Lake station once they double track

Yeah, but I'm not sure how integrated it could be once the station is expanded. Maybe the access to the future south bound platform could be improved with elevators that go directly to the platform level, but that will never be possible at the north bound platform.

[ponyboycurtis]

What a boondoggle. The Line 2 expansion feels like more misses than hits.

Cept for those new train sets

[kmcamp]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Yeah, but I'm not sure how integrated it could be once the station is expanded. Maybe the access to the future south bound platform could be improved with elevators that go directly to the platform level, but that will never be possible at the north bound platform.

Well, looking at that Preliminary preferred diagram, if the station ended up looking something like Corso Italia, that pedestrian bridge would put you in the station head house (but not behind the fare gates). I don't think you'd ever have direct bridge to elevator, you would have to take elevator to mezzanine, then elevator from mezzanine to bridge, but it could be done all inside (even the northbound if they reconfigure the stairs and added a hallway to the existing elevators, or if they just fully enclosed that proposed roof structure to the station entrance)