384 Arlington Ave | 71m | 24f | Proposed

[Dzingle Bells]

Originally Posted by originalmuffins

Windmill is taking a lot of projects in Ottawa, but it's very welcome. They have Zibi, Library Parcel, the parcel near Lincoln Fields, and now this one. Can't wait to see all their projects go up.

Windmill actually has very little going on.
- Zibi is by Dream and Theia Partners (Theia was started by Jeff Westeinde who used to be at Windmill)
- Library Parcel is by Dream
- Not sure what the Lincoln Fields project is you are referring to

Windmill does really good work but seems like they don't have the capital to back the larger projects up. Glad that Dream was able to pick up Zibi from them.

[phil235]

Originally Posted by Dzingle Bells

Windmill actually has very little going on.
- Zibi is by Dream and Theia Partners (Theia was started by Jeff Westeinde who used to be at Windmill)
- Library Parcel is by Dream
- Not sure what the Lincoln Fields project is you are referring to

Windmill does really good work but seems like they don't have the capital to back the larger projects up. Glad that Dream was able to pick up Zibi from them.

Windmill is currently doing Stone Abbey in Old Ottawa South.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Dzingle Bells

Windmill actually has very little going on.
- Zibi is by Dream and Theia Partners (Theia was started by Jeff Westeinde who used to be at Windmill)
- Library Parcel is by Dream
- Not sure what the Lincoln Fields project is you are referring to

Windmill does really good work but seems like they don't have the capital to back the larger projects up. Glad that Dream was able to pick up Zibi from them.

This is the one near Lincoln Fields. Parkway House.

They just have two active (i.e. selling units now) projects in Stone Abbey in Old Ottawa South and Courcelette in Toronto's East End.

https://windmilldevelopments.com/phase/now-selling/

[waterloowarrior]

OPA submitted.. weird to see at this stage after several rounds of precon + complete zoning application. Wonder what the backstory is?
https://devapps.ottawa.ca/en/applica...3-0004/details

[shelltime]

Huh, I thought you couldn't amend a new official plan within 2 years per the planning act?

[rocketphish]

Updated submission (September 2023)

[J.OT13]

Much preferred the first design. It provided more set-backs around the church, giving it more prominence. Now it screams facadism. The tower was also much nicer, better detailing and design elements. The new tower design looks a lot like SoHo Champagne II.

Once again, a developer starts with a great proposal, then dumbs it down.

On the plus side, more green roof/roof-top terraces, and the section behind the church is less prominent.

[McKellarDweller]

aww yisssss. More SSP drinking game renderings!

-grey panels
-white panels
-curtain wall bait to be switched later

[RogueNacho]

Heading to Planning Committee on Wednesday, November 15th.

[RogueNacho]

Recommended for Council approval by Planning Committee.

[OTSkyline]

Can someone please explain to me the Coles note of the process for approval for new developments? I see sometimes "approved by planning committee", sometimes "approved by council"?

Between a developer submitting a proposal and shovels in the ground, what are the basic steps or approval needed (in order)?

[RogueNacho]

Can someone please explain to me the Coles note of the process for approval for new developments? I see sometimes "approved by planning committee", sometimes "approved by council"?

Between a developer submitting a proposal and shovels in the ground, what are the basic steps or approval needed (in order)?

I can answer a little bit, but others might be able to fill in with more details. Basically, when a developer wants to propose a project, they first need to prepare an application package to submit the City. This package will contain all the multitude of studies from the developer's sub-contractors (geotechnical reports, engineering reports, architectural drawings, environmental reports, traffic assessments, landscaping drawings, and many many more). When its ready, the package is sent to the City's planning department to be reviewed by staff knowledgeable in each field. After some time is spent reviewing, staff will put together a list of comments and circulate them back to the developer who then passes them off to each sub contractor to then update and revise their reports. Comments could range from pointing out missing items, asking for clarification on something, or correcting something. When the revised package is sent in it gets reviewed again and if all is accepted at that level, it goes to planning committee for high level debate and comments. Planning committee consists of a small select number of people who will review the application and decide whether the project shall be sent to full Council for final approval. Then if it wins the vote of Council, the project has been officially endorsed by the City and can proceed whenever the developer so wishes. After approval is granted, the developer will begin scheduling all their contractors for site mobilization and then construction will begin.

So in summary:

1) Developer hires consultants to prepare checklist of reports.
2) Reports are combined into a package and submitted to the City
3) City staff review reports and provides comments or corrections.
4) Reports are revised and package is resubmitted.
5) Project goes to committee for first hearing and debate.
6) If approved, project then goes to Council for final vote.
7) If approved, developer begins scheduling site mobilization.
8) Construction begins.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by OTSkyline

Can someone please explain to me the Coles note of the process for approval for new developments? I see sometimes "approved by planning committee", sometimes "approved by council"?

Between a developer submitting a proposal and shovels in the ground, what are the basic steps or approval needed (in order)?

- Project is proposed;
- City consults with residents;
- City and developer discuss changes/improvements, some of which can be mind boggling (30 floors is too tall for the area, please reduce to 27, for example);
- Goes to Planning Committee for discussion based on City recommendation (approval or rejection). Residents or groups (called delegates) can speak for or against a proposal for 5 minutes, the developer can make a 5 minute presentation, City Council committee members can ask questions and they recommend approval or rejection;
- City Council gets Committee recommendations, discuss some more (without delegates) and decide if they approve or not.

After that, it's site plan approval, permits and such. Don't think it goes to the politicians for that part. You may get Heritage Committee as well before Planning depending on location or project.

[Proof Sheet]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

- Project is proposed;
- City consults with residents;
- City and developer discuss changes/improvements, some of which can be mind boggling (30 floors is too tall for the area, please reduce to 27, for example);
- Goes to Planning Committee for discussion based on City recommendation (approval or rejection). Residents or groups (called delegates) can speak for or against a proposal for 5 minutes, the developer can make a 5 minute presentation, City Council committee members can ask questions and they recommend approval or rejection;
- City Council gets Committee recommendations, discuss some more (without delegates) and decide if they approve or not.

After that, it's site plan approval, permits and such. Don't think it goes to the politicians for that part. You may get Heritage Committee as well before Planning depending on location or project.

This summary and the one before were pretty good. However, you forgot to reference the knowledge gap that occurs when new people at the City are brought in, when City staff are trying to request things beyond their mandate (nice to have things), when the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing etc. These things happen with both City reviewers and the team hired by the developer but there seems to be consequences when the project team messes up.

[OTSkyline]

Thanks everyone. So all of these updates today, were "approved by planning committee", which means it had already been presented and might've gone through a few changes based on original feedback.

And next is the vote by city council which is the last step or approval?

[Proof Sheet]

Originally Posted by OTSkyline

Thanks everyone. So all of these updates today, were "approved by planning committee", which means it had already been presented and might've gone through a few changes based on original feedback.

And next is the vote by city council which is the last step or approval?

Yes, exactly. City Planning staff generally only take an application to Planning Committee when they are happy with it unless the owner is adamant it needs to be dealt with quickly and they want to take their chances with Planning Committee and Council.

[OTSkyline]

Anyone know how long it usually takes to go from "Recommended for Council approval by Planning Committee" to in front of City Council for final approval?

Few weeks? Few months?

[Alex613]

I expect the item will be on next week's Council agenda. The agenda should be posted by Monday--you can check then. Turn around is usually fairly quick, especially for items that were passed by Planning Committee without any substantive changes.

[Fraser]

Originally Posted by OTSkyline

Anyone know how long it usually takes to go from "Recommended for Council approval by Planning Committee" to in front of City Council for final approval?

Few weeks? Few months?

Generally speaking, it’s the next council meeting. Planning applications have statutory timelines for approval, so the City is pretty good about getting them approved quickly.

It’s listed on the agenda for Wednesday’s council meeting: https://pub-ottawa.escribemeetings.c...a&lang=English

[shelltime]

Appealed?

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