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Old Posted Aug 9, 2023, 1:36 AM
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Landmark my a**.

What a crappy and utterly useless development. They really had the audacity to drop it to 34 floors to 30 and sub 100m and still call it landmark. I am not even surprised Taggart now plopped it down to 27.

I knew as soon as they were going off on that whole landmark garbage that they were going to half-ass this development.
Crappy, but I'd hesitate to call 400 new apartments "useless".
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Old Posted Aug 9, 2023, 2:20 AM
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Crappy, but I'd hesitate to call 400 new apartments "useless".
It definitely is because they've wasted so much time acting like it would be providing X amount of units then undercutting and then going through the whole "landmark" process just to provide a subpar development. They wasted a lot of time only to provide a significant reduction of units. This development is useless in that if they just went for their BS 27 floor proposal from the get go, we'd have these units almost up by now instead of all this BS.
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Old Posted Aug 9, 2023, 3:06 AM
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It definitely is because they've wasted so much time acting like it would be providing X amount of units then undercutting and then going through the whole "landmark" process just to provide a subpar development. They wasted a lot of time only to provide a significant reduction of units. This development is useless in that if they just went for their BS 27 floor proposal from the get go, we'd have these units almost up by now instead of all this BS.
I don't understand your argument for this project being a useless waste of time. You're making it sound like the developer never actually wanted anything more than 27 stories in the first place. You can be pretty sure that if their taller proposal was accepted by the City they would have built that. That would have been some pretty nice extra revenue if they could have got it.

And subpar? It looks like it will be a pretty decent 27-storey development, if built as designed. I'd even say above par, if par in this city is now an "RLA Special".
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Worse is that we didn't really here much vocal opposition to this one. AND, if the City rejected it (doubt it, because Taggart, see Tewin), the Province would rubber stamp it. For once, I would agree with the Province.
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The Great Clump is like an ice age glacier, slowly covering the core of the city under a nearly uniform 300 feet of mass. Archaeologists in two thousand years will be fascinated.
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The design also changed a bit. There's no longer the pointy/angled overhang with warm wood underneath. Not sure how to post the comparison.
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Resubmision (July 2023)

The primary purpose of this addendum is to address the planning comments received April 28, 2023. In doing so, this addendum also summarizes the many significant changes to the development since the original submission in response to engagement and review processes.


Inventory of Changes

The following provides a summary of the changes since the previous submission in March 2023.

Civic Space
The previous submission offered 186 square metres of dedicated civic use space in one of three possible locations:
  • / The heritage building at 436 MacLaren,
  • / The Kent and Gilmour corner on the ground floor of the retained heritage facades, or
  • / A newly constructed ground floor space in the new podium fronting onto Gilmour Street.
After consultation with City staff and the community, the civic use offering has been amended to include three spaces:
  • / The heritage house at 436 MacLaren equal to approximately 307 square metres,
  • / 186 square metres on the ground floor of the new building; and,
  • / A Privately-Owned Public Space (POPS) of approximately 530 square metres linking the two (2) interior spaces.

Landscape Design
More planting has been introduced in the POPS and along Kent, adjacent to 444 MacLaren Street.

Podium Design
Based on the recommendations by the consulted stakeholders, the podium to the east of the retained heritage facades has been reduced to four (4) storeys (from 5). The podium sunshade feature has also been removed from the terrace atop the podium to further improve transition to the adjacent existing low-rise context.

The ground floor of the new red-brick component of the podium features ground-oriented residential units which positively impacts the landscape treatment along Gilmour Street.

The architectural language along the North facade of the Legion building has been simplified. The articulation has been adjusted to reflect a residential program and mimic the existing materiality and quality of the existing Legion building's heritage facades.

Tower Design
The architecture of the tower has been simplified from the previous design based on feedback from the SDRP. The curtain wall feature at the southwest corner is no longer present, and the form of the tower’s heavy framing has been reduced to streamline it. Vertical members have also been removed to lighten up the tower.

The crown, paired down to thinner vertical and horizontal elements as opposed to a cap, still encapsulated the mechanical penthouse and some amenity space while elongating the building, and providing a lighter, more porous top.






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Well...it would be a Landmark Development in Kingston or Brockville I guess...
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2023, 1:45 AM
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Taggart Group downsizes proposed Kent Street residential highrise

David Sali, OBJ
November 14, 2023 4:03 PM ET




An Ottawa developer has downsized a proposed residential tower on Kent Street that would have exceeded the city’s height limit for “landmark buildings” in Centretown.

Taggart Group says its revised plan for 359 Kent St. now calls for a 27-storey highrise rather than the 30-storey tower it proposed earlier this year. That plan was itself a rejigged version of the developer’s original 2021 proposal that envisioned a 34-storey highrise on the property, which is now home to a historic office building.

In its latest planning application filed with the city, Taggart says the height of the proposed development has been reduced to “reflect the feedback from the public and the city staff.”

Earlier this year, Taggart chief operating officer Derek Howe told OBJ the plan is still in its early stages. Howe said the company does not intend to redevelop the property, which it purchased about a dozen years ago, for at least another decade.

Other changes to the proposal include a reduction in the height of the tower’s podium from five storeys to four.

In addition, the company says the building’s design has been “simplified” based on feedback from an international panel of architects that reviewed the project.

A “curtain wall” feature on the building’s southwest corner has been scrapped, while the tower’s framing has been “streamlined” and vertical members have been removed to “lighten up the tower,” Taggart said in planning documents.

The proposal has also been revamped to add more community space, which is required for a development proposal to qualify for “landmark” status.

The original submission included 2,000 square feet of “civic use space” at one of three locations: a nearby heritage home at 436 MacLaren St. or two potential spaces in the new tower.

The revised plan calls for more than 11,000 square feet of civic space, including 3,300 square feet in the MacLaren Street building, 2,000 square feet in the new highrise and another 5,700 square feet in a privately owned space linking the two other areas.

The revisions are Taggart’s latest attempt to ensure the project gains the approval of the city and nearby residents.

The developer scaled back its original design after residents complained the building would not fit the character of the neighbourhood, which is dominated by two- and three-storey homes, many of which are more than a century old.

The highrise would replace Legion House, which currently occupies the Kent Street property. The six-storey office building constructed in the early 1950s once served as the headquarters of the Royal Canadian Legion.

After consulting last year with community representatives, city heritage staff and groups such as Heritage Ottawa, Taggart decided it would save the limestone cladding from the Legion House’s south and west facades and use it to build the podium on the proposed highrise.

Although Legion House is not a provincially designated heritage site, Taggart says city heritage officials feel the structure has “local significance” because it once served as the Legion’s head office.

https://obj.ca/taggart-group-downsiz...reet-highrise/
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2023, 4:59 AM
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Wow, a lot of rage-inducing sentences in that article.
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2023, 7:02 AM
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Keeps getting less landmark-ish by the month!
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2023, 7:25 AM
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Thank god it's reduced to 27 stories. Those shadows from the extra 3 floors would have killed children and tomatoes by the dozen... /s
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2023, 9:53 AM
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Thank god it's reduced to 27 stories. Those shadows from the extra 3 floors would have killed children and tomatoes by the dozen... /s
Ah the coveted 27 storey limit.
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2023, 3:12 PM
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Howe said the company does not intend to redevelop the property, which it purchased about a dozen years ago, for at least another decade.
Okay...might as well just delete this thread and start a new one in ten years. See you all in 2033.
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27 story buildings fit a neighborhood of 2-3 story 100 year old houses SO MUCH BETTER than 30 story buildings. They fit right in because they are nearly the same height, they are barely noticeable.
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27 story buildings fit a neighborhood of 2-3 story 100 year old houses SO MUCH BETTER than 30 story buildings. They fit right in because they are nearly the same height, they are barely noticeable.
Absolutely ridiculous thinking. I cannot even fathom the wisdom behind this line of thinking.

Beyond 12-15 stories I don't see much of a difference in the low 20s to low 40s range. At that height they are beyond human scale. Just add the bloody units FFS.
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An Ottawa developer has downsized a proposed residential tower on Kent Street that would have exceeded the city’s height limit for “landmark buildings” in Centretown.
That makes it sound like a building above 27 floors can't be a "landmark".

I agree with many of you, it's quite dumb that 27 floors is somehow considered more appropriate for the neighbourhood than 30 or 35 floors. A tower's a tower.

To me, you're better to approve taller in order to preserve more heritage.
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Recommended for Council approval by Planning Committee.
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This one was Approved at last council meeting on Jan 24, 2023
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