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Old Posted Feb 16, 2009, 7:46 PM
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...this would be mostly a tourist area.
I think you're on to something. In the spirit of Bytown, how about a log flume ride on the way down, and a logger's pole climb to get back up? Call it BytownLand and charge admission, hehe.






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I think the problem is too much has been done to accommodate vehicular traffic in this area and maybe it is high time that pedestrians and cyclists are given priority.
It seems to me that the Alexandra Bridge is to blame for a lot of the traffic through this intersection, particularly during rush hour. Ideally, I think that once a new interprovincial bridge gets built further east, the Alexandra Bridge should be closed to vehicular traffic.

With cars gone from the Alexandra Bridge, it could be reverted to rail/LRT (along with pedestrians and cyclists), providing a far more direct link between Hull and Ottawa than the Prince of Wales Bridge. LRT entering Ottawa would follow the routing of the original Hull Electric Railway service along the east side of the canal entranceway south to a terminus under Wellington Street, for direct connection with Ottawa's east-west light rail. The construction of this could coincide nicely with the sort of redevelopment of the west side of the Chateau Laurier that's being proposed by Kitchissippi and others.

And on the Hull side, the ridiculously wide road allowance on St-Laurent could be put to proper use accomodating light rail on a RoW up as far as St-Joseph or wherever.
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It seems to me that the Alexandra Bridge is to blame for a lot of the traffic through this intersection, particularly during rush hour. Ideally, I think that once a new interprovincial bridge gets built further east, the Alexandra Bridge should be closed to vehicular traffic.

With cars gone from the Alexandra Bridge, it could be reverted to rail/LRT (along with pedestrians and cyclists), providing a far more direct link between Hull and Ottawa than the Prince of Wales Bridge. LRT entering Ottawa would follow the routing of the original Hull Electric Railway service along the east side of the canal entranceway south to a terminus under Wellington Street, for direct connection with Ottawa's east-west light rail. The construction of this could coincide nicely with the sort of redevelopment of the west side of the Chateau Laurier that's being proposed by Kitchissippi and others.

And on the Hull side, the ridiculously wide road allowance on St-Laurent could be put to proper use accomodating light rail on a RoW up as far as St-Joseph or wherever.
Though I do really wish that the Alexandra bridge was reconverted to rail, the construction of Des Allumettières just puts too much traffic on this crossing...

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And on the Hull side, the ridiculously wide road allowance on St-Laurent could be put to proper use accomodating light rail on a RoW up as far as St-Joseph or wherever.
Aylmer is correct, plus its not St-Laurent anymore, its Allumettieres.


Someone mentioned the war memorial on the last page, I have always wondered why the city didn't decide to build a big roundabout around the war memorial when they renovated that whole area not that long ago. It seems to me that its perfectly suited for a big roundabout. Right now it looks and feels like they tried to make a roundabout but had a brainfart somewhere along the way.
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Taming a 'cranky intersection'

An NCC study proposes transforming the corner of Sussex and Rideau into a public square, writes Maria Cook.

BY MARIA COOK, THE OTTAWA CITIZENMARCH 9, 2009 9:29


The intersection of Sussex Drive and Rideau Street is one of Ottawa's busiest. Buses roar past. Pedestrians brave slopes, perilously narrow sidewalks, heavy traffic and a concrete underpass as they walk to the Rideau Centre, Parliament Hill, the Westin and Château Laurier hotels and the ByWard Market.

"It's a cranky intersection," says George Baird, dean of the University of Toronto's school of architecture. The National Capital Commission recently unveiled a plan to transform the intersection into a public square with a monument, where people can walk, sit and relax.

Recognizing that traffic must be accommodated, the NCC looked for inspiration to such busy places as Times Square in New York, and Piccadilly Circus and Trafalgar Square in London.

"The vision ... is to reclaim this historic space as an urban experience and transform it into a national icon," says a study commissioned by the NCC. The site "will convey a significant capital to the world and be representative of Canadian values, ideas and the nation's role on the world stage." The intersection is a key point on Confederation Boulevard. Dignitaries travelling from the airport to the prime minister's residence or Rideau Hall pass through.

The ceremonial route, which joins national institutions such as Parliament Hill, the Supreme Court, the National Gallery and the Museum of Civilization, turns here.

"You're faced with a pretty brutal environment," says NCC project manager Diane Irwin. "Pedestrians and cyclists, especially on the south side, are left to their own devices. For visitors it's very difficult. If you don't know the city, you don't realize you have to go down steps to get to the Rideau Centre." The pedestrian underpass would be removed, roads reconfigured, sidewalks widened and trees planted. The square would be paved and possibly have a fountain. "Water is a wonderful element to bring people into a space," says Irwin.

Nan Griffiths, a retired professor at Carleton University's school of architecture, is impressed.

"It's a fabulous idea," Griffiths says. "I'm sure it would appeal enormously and draw people and make people think that Ottawa is a city of some vision and some interest.

"It's all about traffic in that whole area and I think it should be about people because that's what a good city is all about." The redevelopment of the Congress Centre will also bring visitors to the space.

At stake is the balance between traffic speed and a more civic, refreshing sense of place. "We will try to reach a balance between accommodating traffic and public space," says Irwin.

Achieving the balance is a critical issue because it has to do with a change of attitude and to what extent traffic engineering dominates urban design choices. "If only we could get the traffic engineers to agree to take down the ugly traffic lights and install something more reasonable," says Rideau-Vanier Councillor Georges Bédard.

The space in question is a triangle with busy roads on two sides and a blank wall. It used to be the site of the Grand Hotel, which was attached to the east wall of the former Union Station, now the Government Conference Centre.

What makes it work from a traffic perspective is the MacKenzie Avenue ramp extension and the sunken underpass -- which has become a hangout for the homeless.

In three scenarios under study by the NCC, the underpass and the ramp would be removed.

Everyone agrees the intersection could be better, but accommodating the traffic will not be so easy. On a typical summer weekday the intersection is crossed by 28,000 vehicles, including 2,400 buses and 1,500 bicycles, and by 20,000 pedestrians.

"It's an extremely complex transportation knuckle with an extremely high volume of traffic," says Yves Gosselin, an Ottawa urban designer and former president of the Royal Architectural Institute of Canada. "Any attempt to create a true pedestrian space has to overcome these transportation challenges, which are daunting." One possibility is to put cars underground, he says. "It gets too crowded. Too many pedestrians. Too many cars trying to get through the amber light." Baird recalls bumping into former Liberal leader Stéphane Dion on the sidewalk in front of the Westin Hotel.

"I remember thinking the sidewalk is barely four feet wide. It's really mean," he says. "There's not a lot of space. There would be no way of enhancing the pedestrian space short of taking space from the automobile." Irwin says the plan is to reduce traffic speed rather than volume, and admits the creation of a square would likely cause rush-hour delays. An engineering assessment noted "major adverse impact to traffic operations" in two of the scenarios under consideration.

"It's time to stop worrying about the flow of suburban cars," says George Dark, author of a downtown urban design study for the City of Ottawa. "It should be an amazing intersection and it's not. It's a gigantic suburban intersection. It belongs on Hunt Club Road. It doesn't belong in the middle of the city.

"It's time to stop putting pedestrians underground," adds Dark. "You'd never build that today. In the contemporary city, it's transit first, people first, urban design and street life and enjoyment first. And if cars can get through, that's fine too." Would a downtown transit tunnel provide some relief to traffic pressure? During the bus strike, this was one of the intersections that often moved more freely.

The NCC sees the space as having potential for some sort of monument, though with the Rideau Canal, a world heritage site, and Confederation Square nearby some people question whether there is a need to compete.

It may be enough to make it an attractive urban space, a pause on the ceremonial route, as well as a breathing point in civic life, whether you're getting on a bus at the Rideau Centre, passing in your car or riding your bike.

"The monument part seems completely gratuitous," says Paul Kariouk, architecture professor at Carleton University. "It's never going to have the significance of the Cenotaph. This thing could be a glorified traffic circle." Kariouk says there should be an ideas competition. "If it's a vital threshold into the city for dignitaries let's rethink what that could be. It's almost like the front door to downtown.

"It has to have some quality that allows you for a moment to forget the city," he says, as well as "a stunning night presence" with illumination.

The NCC hopes to share costs with the federal department of Public Works. There is no cost estimate. "We know it won't be cheap," says Irwin.

They hope to choose one of three scenarios within a year or two and begin to develop a design. Irwin says the square could be in place in five years, although a monument would take longer.

Asked if anyone opposed the plan, she said no, but noted it's in early days. "We have yet to reach the contentious stage."

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Three possibilities for redeveloping Sussex & Rideau


Scenario One

Creates a public space adjacent to the east façade of the Government Conference Centre. The underpass and MacKenzie Avenue ramp extension is removed and all pedestrian circulation is at grade.

A small island at the intersection of Colonel By and Rideau serves as a refuge for pedestrians crossing the street. It is the most minimal intervention.

- About 900 square metres of commemoration space

- All existing pedestrian crossings are maintained

- Existing traffic patterns are maintained

Scenario Two

Creates a central, triangular-shaped space for public gathering and commemoration.

The space is defined and contained by a ceremonial streetscape with wide promenades.

A centre median divides Colonel By. A new pedestrian crossing of Rideau is located at MacKenzie. The underpass and MacKenzie ramp are removed. Bike lanes provided.

- About 1,700 square metres of commemoration space

- Pedestrian landing areas at Rideau intersections are enlarged

- Sussex is one-way northbound to St. Patrick

- Traffic lane widths are adjusted to accommodate wider sidewalks

Scenario Three

The entire area east of the Government Conference Centre to the intersection of Colonel By and Rideau is dedicated to public space.

The space is contiguous across the south side of Rideau strengthening relationship to Rideau Canal, Confederation Square and Confederation Boulevard.

A grand boulevard is developed along Colonel By. It is envisioned with wide sidewalks and centre medians. New pedestrian crossings of Rideau at Mackenzie link directly to the space.

The underpass and MacKenzie ramp are removed. Bike lanes provided.

- About 2,100 square metres of commemoration space

- Pedestrian landing areas at Rideau intersection are enlarged

- Sussex is one-way northbound to St. Patrick

Source: Confederation Boulevard: Sussex/Rideau/Colonel By Landmark Node: An Urban Design Study for a 21st Century Space, 2008

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Aylmer is correct, plus its not St-Laurent anymore, its Allumettieres.
The Alexandra Bridge, then Des Allumettières, then all the roads before it, it's all a domino that illustrates how utterly useless it is to "blame" one road or one intersection for "vehicular congestion".

The real culprit is the number of people using private vehicles. The more you make room for private vehicles, the more there will be private vehicles.

Conversely, the more you make room for pedestrians, the more pedestrians there will be.

There will never be "enough capacity" for vehicles in a roadway network that must also accommodate pedestrians (and I mean REALLY accommodate, that is, make them feel that the city is their friend, and that they will not be made to wait intolerably long to cross a street, they will not be caused to walk in non-straight lines to avoid a car-caused obstacle like a turning lane, etc.)

There is an essential either-or choice to be made in designing a road system: it'll be either GOOD for pedestrians or GOOD for cars. It can't be both. One must lose and one must win.

In the downtown, cars must lose and peds must win. Let's start with that. Once we have that beachhead established, we can conquer adjacent parts of downtown.
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Talk about making downtown more exciting is just that

BY RANDALL DENLEY, THE OTTAWA CITIZENMARCH 10, 2009 10:01 AM


When people talk about making downtown Ottawa more exciting, one is never sure whether to laugh or cry. The only thing certain is that one of those two responses would be appropriate. The National Capital Commission's plan to improve the intersection of Rideau Street and Sussex Drive actually justifies both.

How does one keep a straight face when the NCC talks about turning a problem intersection into an insignificant plaza and describes the end result as "a national icon"? That says something about our nation or our icons, probably both. Less amusing is the fact that this modest improvement is seriously put forward as a real upgrade downtown. That is a pathetic comment on both downtown and the lack of civic vision that characterizes Ottawa.

The plan to make the space in front of the Government Conference Centre more friendly to people and less friendly to cars is fine, as far as it goes. The problem is, it doesn't go very far. The NCC talks about using the resulting space as a location for unspecified national commemorative events, although Confederation Square and the National War Memorial are right around the corner. Do we need a second-string commemorative site? The idea feels like reaching to justify the cost of what is really just the cleanup of a bad intersection, something that should probably be on the city's to-do list.

Maybe we should put up a statue depicting urban planners. They have been working on this site since 1915, producing 13 individual plans, and they still haven't gotten it right.

What better place to commemorate their eternal efforts?

The NCC's design study refers to what's planned as "an urban experience." What could be more urban than hustling across the pavement on a cold, windy day? Perhaps more challenging is the plan to "be representative of Canadian values, ideals and the nation's role on the world stage." Throughout its design study, the NCC calls the space in question "the Node." That gives a fair idea of how sexy this is.

What's most obviously missing from the NCC's plan is a dynamic use for the landmark building that happens to be located right behind the proposed square. The former Union Station is one of the most beautiful buildings in the city, but it has limited public value, serving as mediocre government meeting space. The time is right to make it much more. One of the possible alignments for the city's rail tunnel would bring trains back to the station, using Union Station as one of the entrances for its Rideau Street stop. The volume of people passing through the station could give it new life as a retail and tourism-information focal point.

None of that will happen unless the federal government wakes up and sees the potential. It has resisted attempts to restore broad public use to the building. In this part of Ottawa, federal involvement is key, but the national government is slow, bureaucratic and unimaginative.

There is so much that could be done by a creative government. Completing the Portrait Gallery of Canada building would be the most obvious first priority. This boarded-up mess, right across from the Parliament Buildings, is a national disgrace. Now that the Harper government has failed in its attempt to ship the gallery west, it should get on with the job and turn this valuable piece of real estate into an asset instead of an eyesore.

The area in front of the Hill is being polluted, visually and literally, by row after row of buses. Much of that traffic is generated by the location of government buildings in Gatineau. A loop of light rail that connected major federal buildings and the national institutions would be good for the environment and good for tourism. It's a project that could easily be undertaken as part of the government's huge infrastructure spree, but apparently it's up to someone else to suggest it.

The NCC has been talking for years about improving access to the Ottawa River downtown. How difficult can this be?

What's missing is someone at the federal level with a dynamic view of the city and the clout to make things happen. If we wait for Public Works to realize the potential of our old train station, we will wait forever.

The city has a role to play, too. Some things can only be accomplished by the federal government because it owns so much vital property and has the financial means to act, but surely our city leaders have a responsibility to create an exciting plan for the downtown and pressure federal politicians to support it. We need a downtown plan with imagination, achievable goals, real costs and an aggressive timeline for results. A better intersection doesn't quite cut it.

Contact Randall Denley at 613-596-3756 or by e-mail,

rdenley@thecitizen.canwest.com

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BY RANDALL DENLEY, THE OTTAWA CITIZENMARCH 10, 2009 10:01 AM


Contact Randall Denley at 613-596-3756 or by e-mail,

rdenley@thecitizen.canwest.com

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We need to create some sort of group with some high profile heritage and media people called the friends of Union Station.
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wow that guy who wrote that article is a miserable person
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That pretty much covers it.
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wow that guy who wrote that article is a miserable person
He's also spot on, in my opinion. I used to disagree with Randall Denley all the time, but I've found in recent time to be agree far more often than not.

The NCC should be that creative force, but it seems impotent to me. They basically stick statues on corners and create plans that get filed away in a drawer and forgotten. In the rare cases where they actually make significant changes, it usually involves tearing down an important historic building and planting trees in its place.
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We need to create some sort of group with some high profile heritage and media people called the friends of Union Station.
It already exists in the form of Heritage Ottawa, no?
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Denley is merely echoing what all of us have been saying on here for ages. Either he's a poster on here, or he frequents the site A LOT.
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I still think that Union Station would make a marvellous site for a new central library.

I'm all for this study- that underpass is one of my least favourite things in the entire downtown- but rather than creating yet another square (i.e. windswept wasteland), why don't we use the area freed up for an addition of a fabulous entrance to our new central library opening right onto Rideau & Sussex?
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BTW, the NCC has a website for this study:
http://www.capcan.ca/bins/ncc_web_co...-108385&lang=1

The 5 scenarios are outlined in this presentation.
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He's also spot on, in my opinion. I used to disagree with Randall Denley all the time, but I've found in recent time to be agree far more often than not.

The NCC should be that creative force, but it seems impotent to me. They basically stick statues on corners and create plans that get filed away in a drawer and forgotten. In the rare cases where they actually make significant changes, it usually involves tearing down an important historic building and planting trees in its place.
I agree with you Jeremy. I think Denley nailed it right on the head this time. Someone has posted a brilliant photoshop image of Union Station with cafés along the canal banks. No reason there can't be a similar type of "opening" of the facade that faces this new square. Or even, an addition that would frame and animate the space better. There must also be something we can do with Union Station's enormous blank wall. I'm not necessarily thinking a jumbotron ... but something.
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I agree with you Jeremy. I think Denley nailed it right on the head this time. Someone has posted a brilliant photoshop image of Union Station with cafés along the canal banks. No reason there can't be a similar type of "opening" of the facade that faces this new square. Or even, an addition that would frame and animate the space better. There must also be something we can do with Union Station's enormous blank wall. I'm not necessarily thinking a jumbotron ... but something.
Folliage? Bigger trees?
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A replacement for the Grand Hotel?
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A replacement for the Grand Hotel?
My grandfather was the manager of the Grand Hotel! I saw my first stripper there at the age of 13 :-P
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