noirish Los Angeles

[RyeRyeLA]

Originally Posted by RyeRyeLA

Communist activities at Marketville?! Maybe that's what did it in!

It is bizarre that a place that attracted crowds of people in a central location would have scarce evidence of its own existence?!

Update: I found this tidbit


https://gramho.com/explore-hashtag/GilmoreField

[ethereal_reality]

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mystery fire brigade, Los Angeles. c.1880s?



eBay


I'm not sure what the seller means by a daguerreotype frame but the frame is a nice beat up example of folk art.








Let's take a closer look at this interesting scene.



At first I thought the emblem on their uniforms might be a nozzle but now I'm thinking the number 7.


a bit larger.


Usually firemen pose in front of their fire station but this group appears to be standing in front of a residence.


eBay

[HossC]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

I'm not sure what the seller means by a daguerreotype frame but the frame is a nice beat up example of folk art.

Daguerreotype would normally refer to the picture. Here's a description from www.daguerreobase.org:

The daguerreotype was the first commercially successful photographic process (1839-1860) in the history of photography. Named after the inventor, Louis Jacques Mandé Daguerre, each daguerreotype is a unique image on a silvered copper plate.

In contrast to photographic paper, a daguerreotype is not flexible and is rather heavy.The daguerreotype is accurate, detailed and sharp. It has a mirror-like surface and is very fragile. Since the metal plate is extremely vulnerable, most daguerreotypes are presented in a special housing. Different types of housings existed: an open model, a folding case, jewelry…

Maybe they frame originally came from one of these images.

[CaliNative]

Originally Posted by HossC

Daguerreotype would normally refer to the picture. Here's a description from www.daguerreobase.org:

The daguerreotype was the first commercially successful photographic process (1839-1860) in the history of photography. Named after the inventor, Louis Jacques Mandé Daguerre, each daguerreotype is a unique image on a silvered copper plate.

In contrast to photographic paper, a daguerreotype is not flexible and is rather heavy.The daguerreotype is accurate, detailed and sharp. It has a mirror-like surface and is very fragile. Since the metal plate is extremely vulnerable, most daguerreotypes are presented in a special housing. Different types of housings existed: an open model, a folding case, jewelry…

Maybe they frame originally came from one of these images.

Also, dag. images sometimes took a few minutes to expose the plate, so people had to sit as still as possible. So some images can be blurry, esp. with kids who tend to fidget. I could be wrong, but weren't dag. images still taken into the 1870s? I do believe most or all of the Lincoln and Grant etc. photos were dags, but I could be wrong. Did Matthew Brady take. dags, or by that time (1860s, 1870s) were they no longer used? The process name "tintype" comes to mind. Is that a type of dag., or a later process that produced a negative image? When were the first negative photographs taken? I don't believe the Kodak film & box cameras became available until the 1880s at the earliest. Thanks Hoss.

[ethereal_reality]

Thanks guys. I think the seller is full of beans. I'm familiar with a daguerreotype but not a "daguerreotype frame".

Originally Posted by odinthor

I happened to check NLA just after you posted the firemen pic; and quickly checked the Herald and the LA Times; but nothing reasonable came up. Here's the closest, which is twenty years too late:



I also tried the LA Fire Dept. site; but, despite referring to their archives being online, their archives page doesn't seem to be up. :-(

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[odinthor]

Fire Dept. article, Los Angeles Herald, December 8, 1899.

[RyeRyeLA]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Thanks guys. I think the seller is full of beans. I'm familiar with a daguerreotype but not a "daguerreotype frame".





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This is engine company 7 at Maple and Twenty-Fourth circa 1900

https://www.lafire.com/stations/FS00...88-1915-hd.htm

And today:

googlemaps

[odinthor]

Status of Fire Dept. Engine Company Locations at the beginning of 1891 (just to have this available for easy consultation):


LA Herald, 1/1/1891

Alarm box locations:


LA Herald, 1/1/1891

[Mackerm]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

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mystery fire brigade, Los Angeles. c.1880s?
eBay

The eBay listing says "The verso has the identification of the Los Angeles Hose Company 7."

This page puts Hose Company 7 at the southwest corner of Cahuenga and Selma. No resemblance to the house in the photo.

There's also East Los Angeles Hose Company no. 7 "located on Truman Street near Downey Avenue". (From this post by Ethereal Reality in 2017, we learn that Downey Ave. became north Broadway, and Truman Street became Ave. 23.

UPDATE

This KCET article above referenced the Los Angeles City Directory, but the address I found for East Los Angeles Hose Company No. 7 is different.

It's page 103 of the 1886-7 Los Angeles City directory at the bottom.

[ethereal_reality]

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Good catch Mackerm. The key word here is obviously Hose.

Per your LINK: .. If I'm reading the information correctly, the (then) volunteer fire dept., shown in the eBay albumen, didn't have a fire station until 1910 which might explain why the firemen are posed in front of a house.


When the Los Angeles Fire Department took over in 1910 the hose company was housed in an abandoned church. (shown below) -supposedly


lafd



BUT, and it's a big BUT, if you go to the lafd-hose-7 page and look closely at the five photographs, the one interior photograph doesn't match the others.



The interior photograph is obviously the abandoned church.




As you can see, the shape of the roof is clearly different and the church windows are the giveaway. They don't appear in any of the four exteriors views.



Of course, none of this solves the Victorian house shown in the $200 mystery photograph. . . but it's interesting none-the-less.




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[ethereal_reality]

Originally Posted by odinthor

Alarm box locations:


LA Herald, 1/1/1891

That's quite the list odinthor! Thanks for posting it.

I'm trying to find an example of a 1890s circa alarm box but I'm not having much luck.


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[Bristolian]

Originally Posted by RyeRyeLA

This is engine company 7 at Maple and Twenty-Fourth circa 1900

https://www.lafire.com/stations/FS00...88-1915-hd.htm

And today:

googlemaps

e_r just happened to drive the Googlemobile past this building a few years ago. A brief discussion followed.

post#41314

[odinthor]

Ranging about for fire alarm pictures or data, I ran across this interesting item:



Los Angeles Herald, 8/30/1900.


Another article of a few days later also refers to the damage to the City Hall bell tower arising from the ringing of Great Tom.

(The City Electrician gets into the act via his activities in wiring the more up-to-date alarms into the system.)

[ethereal_reality]

los angeles herald

The reporter from the Herald pointed out that the city would have saved $52 if the bell had been broken up in the tower and sold for junk
as opposed to selling it to a fire apparatus dealer (A.J. Coffee).....The reason: It cost the city $140 to lower the bell from the tower.

When the reporter confronted Fire Commissioner Frankenfield he pretty much said, "Shut the f*ck up".

What he actually said was:.."What is everybody's business is nobody's business."




You can read the details here.

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[ethereal_reality]

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This will keep ya'll busy for awhile.



It's the Los Angeles Daily Police Bulletin for Aug. 13, 1941.








Rediscovered in one of my old files.

A spy might have stolen the Lockheed supervisor's badge. . . . I'd look into that one right away.

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[Martin Pal]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

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mystery location, Los Angeles
Robby Muller, Polaroid 600 (1984)


annetgelink

There is additional information at annetgelink
Good luck, minions.....
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Remember this post from a month ago?

Look what it now says on that link where E_R first discovered it: annetgelink

After several NLA sleuths discovered exactly where and when this photo was taken, I sent a message off to the gallery link and told them it had been determined where this photo was actually taken. I offered to send them all the info if they wanted it. They then sent my email off to Andrea, who was Robby Müller's wife. I found that out one week ago when she sent me an email which read, in part:

The gallery has forwarded your message to me, Robby's wife.
Thank you very much! I believe it immediately.
With this photo, Robby had left almost no info except '1980's' and I couldn't link it to a stay of him for a special film either.
He took indeed many polaroids in Austin when he stayed there to shoot 'Honeysuckle Rose’, only this photo was not in the box with the others he took there.
He probably later wrote 1980's himself on the box this photo was kept in.

Anyway, I really appreciate your information, because for me it is often a quest to find the right information.
What is the other information you have about this location?

Best wishes,
Andrea

I then sent her all the pertinent info and photos as to where this photo was taken and how the forum sleuths pieced it all together.

A couple days ago I received some more correspondence which reads, in part:

That was absolutely delightful to read!
I also went to the NLA thread on the internet to read even more about all the details of the sleuthing.
I also asked the gallery to change the title.
So many thanks to the sleuths!
Thanks again!
Andrea

So everyone who posted about E_R's original post with thoughts, queries, musings, guidance and, ultimately, the two final photo discoveries from riichkay and newcomer RyeRyeLA: everyone give yourselves a big round of applause and a pat on the back!

[Bristolian]

Originally Posted by gemnewt

Does anyone have photos of this area South Figueroa St.
& Exposition Blvd, Los Angeles, California 90007.
This area is directly across from the L.A. Sports Arena,
I tried Google and now the only thing I see are parking lots.
I'm doing research on my family history and I'm trying to tell
their story along with pictures of places they lived. My aunt Rose
lived in an apartment across from the Sports Arena and worked
down the road a ways at a Carl's Restaurant (not that one),
I've seen a photo of a Carl's Restaurant but I don't remember it
looking anything like that, does anyone no if there are any other
Carl's restaurant in this general area.
I remember during the Watts riots my mother was afraid for her
sister so she jumped in our car and drove from Glendale to L.A. to
pick her up. I know she worked at Carl's in the 50s and 60s. This is
all I know or remember. If anyone can help me I would greatly appreciate it.

This is a very delayed response. I was going to post a photo of this particular Carl's Restaurant and while doing a search to see if any had been posted before, I came across this NLA post from 2013.
At least it is stated in the USC sports blog where I came across the photo that this is that particular Carl's. I'm having trouble seeing Carl's on that sign, instead I see a sombrero. In the '80s & '90's that spot on Flower & Figueroa was occupied by a restaurant called Margarita Jones. It has since been redeveloped.

Here you go:

Dated 1941
https://insideusc.blog/2021/05/21/if...es-column-110/



"Since 1931" would mean it was there for the first L.A. Olympiad.

[HossC]

Originally Posted by Bristolian

This is a very delayed response. I was going to post a photo of this particular Carl's Restaurant and while doing a search to see if any had been posted before, I came across this NLA post from 2013.
At least it is stated in the USC sports blog where I came across the photo that this is that particular Carl's. I'm having trouble seeing Carl's on that sign, instead I see a sombrero. In the '80s & '90's that spot on Flower & Figueroa was occupied by a restaurant called Margarita Jones. It has since been redeveloped.

Here's a close-up of the sign from a different photo.


Detail of image in USC Digital Library

And here's the whole picture. I'm pretty sure we've seen it before, but several of the posts I found had missing images.


USC Digital Library

I think this is the same Carl's that I posted back in 2014.

Originally Posted by HossC

I was actually looking for more northerly blocks of Flower Street when I came across the picture below. It shows the intersection of South Figueroa and South Flower Streets in 1936


USC Digital Library

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“A carhop stands in between two cars in front of Carl's drive-in. Palm trees flank the "It's better food" sign. A banner is visible that reads "Carl's invites you to meet and hear Eddie Horton." "Foutain service", "chicken" and "broiled steak sandwiches" are the specialties, as evidenced by the signage. Circa 1930s. Located at 3760 S. Figueroa.”

Security Pacific National Bank Photo Collection/ Los Angeles Public Library

Originally Posted by Bristolian

This is a very delayed response. I was going to post a photo of this particular Carl's Restaurant and while doing a search to see if any had been posted before, I came across this NLA post from 2013.
At least it is stated in the USC sports blog where I came across the photo that this is that particular Carl's. I'm having trouble seeing Carl's on that sign, instead I see a sombrero. In the '80s & '90's that spot on Flower & Figueroa was occupied by a restaurant called Margarita Jones. It has since been redeveloped.

Here you go:

Dated 1941
https://insideusc.blog/2021/05/21/if...es-column-110/



"Since 1931" would mean it was there for the first L.A. Olympiad.

[Bristolian]

It looks like Carl's was doing the palm tree thing before these guys