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Old Posted Jul 28, 2020, 7:02 PM
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Canada branding itself as a multicultural country isn't well known elsewhere?
I was speaking specifically of perceptions of Canada in the U.S. I don't think it's well-known there, no.

I would say there is a smaller uptick in Canada awareness in the U.S. since Trump got in, but my impression is that that is centered on portraying us as either a kinder people with universal healthcare or freedom-deprived socialists.
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Likewise, Japanese-Brazilians have been in that country for many generations, and are a bit of a "surprise" demographic for many people around the world. The stereotype for Brazil is white people, black people and "pardo" people. Not really people who look Asian.
This is true for Peru as well. How many people know that it has a large Japanese population (notwithstanding that possibly their most well-known president has Japanese ancestry)? Lima's food scene is also one of the best in the world on the level of London and Paris.
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There is a pretty decent chance that if someone in the States makes fun of the "Canadian" accent, all you need to do is ask them to say "roof". It's basically a mic drop retort.
On a few instances, I had Americans teasing me about my accent..On these few occasions, they happened to say to me "how's it going eh", followed by some snickering..My response has always been "Not bad Y'all"..Worked like a charm..Even if they are Northern U.S, hit them back with some Southern U.S speak, and watch them get self conscious and say "we don't sound like that."..We can play stereotypes as well.

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An older video but this is just sad.
Yes quite sad.They obviously cherry picked..Had a Canadian radio show done the same thing with some American truckers, they would be up in arms.
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Old Posted Jul 29, 2020, 1:42 PM
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they would be up in arms.

They would never know or care that it happened.
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2020, 1:29 AM
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I think it takes time for stereotypical imagery to catch up to the reality on the ground.

For example, except for San Francisco city proper, most people don't associate California with people of Asian origin, and yet they are quite a bit more numerous than African-Americans in that state. And have been for quite some time. I'd say most people would expect the state to have way more African-Americans than it does.

Likewise, Japanese-Brazilians have been in that country for many generations, and are a bit of a "surprise" demographic for many people around the world. The stereotype for Brazil is white people, black people and "pardo" people. Not really people who look Asian.
The various Asian exclusion acts (for at least the US and Canada) must have done a lot to disassociate and stereotype Asian-looking people from the image of the New World (ironically despite the actually indigenous people of the new world sometimes looking Asian themselves) for a duration of time.

Though Asian North Americans had a presence on the west coast early at least to the 1800s with the Gold Rush and earlier times with Filipinos in New Spain for instance, there was a long "break" until post 1965 immigration had large numbers enough so that the time when images of post-war Americana were being formed, any group like them that wasn't represented in large numbers missed out.

I looked up percentage of African vs. Asian descent in California and it's interesting that California was one of the few places in the US to have Asian Americans having a larger share for much of its history (African American population was 1-2% in early California history from 1850 to the 1950s and rose a lot mostly due to the Great Migration from 5-8% in the latter half of the 20th century before dropping again, while Asian Americans, though the term was never coined back then, had a trend of being high in the late 1800s, probably because of the Gold Rush, Chinese railway workers, Japanese etc. even to 8-9%, but then continously dropping down in the single digit %s for decades due to immigration exclusion, not to go over 9% until a century later in the 1990s after replenished immigration). Of course elsewhere aside from west coast, African Americans were way more established than Asian Americans. The Asian American percentage of the US as a whole never rose above 0.2% until after the 1950s.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor..._United_States

I bet that a lot of peoples' perspectives of racial demographics of a certain generation come from the 1950s- 1990s which is the era of mass TV-- which is why Americans are seen as black and white mostly, with Hispanics occasionally and Asians or other groups like Arabs etc. as afterthoughts. It's different now with the younger generation and media made by say Youtubers etc.

The period 1950s to '90s must have been a major time when mass shared media became enough to depict Americans as diverse, for instance Black Americans gradually gaining respect and being represented, Italian Americans and other Ellis Island groups assimilating and being mainstream, groups like Puerto Ricans and Mexicans showing up on screen too, and images like those of Archie Bunker being portrayed as buffoonish seemingly as a reminder to people not to be prejudiced against these "other" Americans, but not quite early enough to capture some of the post 1960s diversity like many from the Caribbean, Asians, Arabs, until later (and too late to capture for instance some aspects of diversity before the 20th century like Native Americans of the frontier during the time of the old westerns, early Chinatowns etc. so those minorities are less, or rarely depicted than Blacks or Hispanics outside certain historical contexts).

There are obviously factors other than raw percentage why groups are represented at certain times. Otherwise, why did Asian North Americans suddenly become more represented in North American media (e.g. Crazy Rich Asians, Kim's convenience etc.) in the 2010s, and not say the 2000s or 1990s? It's not like raw numbers or proportional numbers of Asians jumped at this time over any of the other several years prior.

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This guy literally says oot and aboot.

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Yeah, I recently linked to another video of his in this thread with the same observation. He's a conservative columnist/youtuber from Vancouver who seems to primarily write/speak to American audiences. Most speculate that it's an affectation to try to appear more authentically Canadian. This post on /r/linguistics offers some linguistic perspective on it: https://www.reddit.com/r/linguistics...loughs_accent/
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This guy literally says oot and aboot.
Not to mention "arooond" and "on the groonds" and "Whitehoose". It's actually a bit jarring.
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That guy lays it on so thick that it has to be parody...
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That guy lays it on so thick that it has to be parody...
It seems absent from his "outfit", so I think so too.
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This guy literally says oot and aboot.

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Not to mention "arooond" and "on the groonds" and "Whitehoose". It's actually a bit jarring.
He is doing a parody of the Canadian accent (to amuse Americans), but he is missing all the other nuances that normally go along with it, proof that he is a disingenuous fake with a hidden agenda (unfortunate since it's in some ways entertaining but with a condescending satirical conservative attitude). People who say "abooot" don't pronounce everything else normally like he does. The "abooot" thing is just part of a total Canadian ca-booodle accent.
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He is doing a parody of the Canadian accent (to amuse Americans), but he is missing all the other nuances that normally go along with it, proof that he is a disingenuous fake with a hidden agenda (unfortunate since it's in some ways entertaining but with a condescending satirical conservative attitude). People who say "abooot" don't pronounce everything else normally like he does. The "abooot" thing is just part of a total Canadian ca-booodle accent.
Yep. It's an affectation and isn't representative of any real accent.

He occasionally shares interesting insights but there are a lot of oversimplified and exaggerated points. He likes to rant about Quebec but doesn't really discuss it beyond how it relates to his own unilingual English Western Canadian bubble, which is but a tiny slice of Quebec politics.

He committed another cardinal sin in my eyes which is he said that Atlantic Canada is the most underpopulated part of Canada after the territories. Yet PEI is Canada's most densely populated province. He makes tons of errors like that.
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Yep. It's an affectation and isn't representative of any real accent.

He occasionally shares interesting insights but there are a lot of oversimplified and exaggerated points. He likes to rant about Quebec but doesn't really discuss it beyond how it relates to his own unilingual English Western Canadian bubble, which is but a tiny slice of Quebec politics.

He committed another cardinal sin in my eyes which is he said that Atlantic Canada is the most underpopulated part of Canada after the territories. Yet PEI is Canada's most densely populated province. He makes tons of errors like that.
And he says that Atlantic Canada premiers aren't interesting or worthy of comment, which only demonstrates his lack of awareness aboot that part of Canada. In reality BC politics is duller than Atlantic Canada's.

https://youtu.be/nbjhL0qqLf4?t=417
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Yep. It's an affectation and isn't representative of any real accent.

He occasionally shares interesting insights but there are a lot of oversimplified and exaggerated points. He likes to rant about Quebec but doesn't really discuss it beyond how it relates to his own unilingual English Western Canadian bubble, which is but a tiny slice of Quebec politics.

He committed another cardinal sin in my eyes which is he said that Atlantic Canada is the most underpopulated part of Canada after the territories. Yet PEI is Canada's most densely populated province. He makes tons of errors like that.
Say again?
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He likes to talk about how French is not very important to Canada, and how Quebec politics are chauvinistic (his word) because of how they favour French language or culture at the expense of the English minority or immigrant groups who do not speak French.

One irony is that he complains about how hard it is to learn a second language to get into higher ranks in the federal civil service in Canada, but he doesn't seem to make the connection with how this impacts Quebec politics. Or if he does I am not sure he brought it up.

I think he's sort of doubly wrong in that the federal civil service has a LOW bar for bilingualism that is considerably easier to meet than somebody who has to live in a second language in their day-to-day life. So he is complaining too much about having to learn French while not appreciating enough why Francophones in Quebec may want to preserve their language.
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And he says that Atlantic Canada premiers aren't interesting or worthy of comment, which only demonstrates his lack of awareness aboot that part of Canada. In reality BC politics is duller than Atlantic Canada's.
He doesn't seem to know if he's talking about the Maritimes or Atlantic Canada.

I agree that the Atlantic premiers are very boring right now, but I don't know why you'd want an "interesting" premier. This guy's comments on Atlantic and NB premiers have aged poorly. NB has a Conservative premier now from Saint John called Blaine Higgs. I guess it's possible he is bilingual. There isn't necessarily much overlap between the federal and provincial parties. It's not true at all that Atlantic Canadians always go Liberal provincially or always go with the federal party that's in power.

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Yeah, I don't think any legislature building in Western Canada would have stuff like a plaque saying "the governor narrowly escaped a rioting mob though this very door, on XYZ date".

(Yet again, I have SHH to thank for my knowledge of Newfoundland history! )
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He doesn't seem to know if he's talking about the Maritimes or Atlantic Canada.

I agree that the Atlantic premiers are very boring right now, but I don't know why you'd want an "interesting" premier. This guy's comments on Atlantic and NB premiers have aged poorly. NB has a Conservative premier now from Saint John called Blaine Higgs. I guess it's possible he is bilingual. There isn't necessarily much overlap between the federal and provincial parties. It's not true at all that Atlantic Canadians always go Liberal provincially or always go with the federal party that's in power.
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He likes to talk about how French is not very important to Canada, and how Quebec politics are chauvinistic (his word) because of how they favour French language or culture at the expense of the English minority or immigrant groups who do not speak French.

One irony is that he complains about how hard it is to learn a second language to get into higher ranks in the federal civil service in Canada, but he doesn't seem to make the connection with how this impacts Quebec politics. Or if he does I am not sure he brought it up.

I think he's sort of doubly wrong in that the federal civil service has a LOW bar for bilingualism that is considerably easier to meet than somebody who has to live in a second language in their day-to-day life. So he is complaining too much about having to learn French while not appreciating enough why Francophones in Quebec may want to preserve their language.
Yeah, it's quite obvious he can't stand Quebec or French in Canada, and understands the concepts very little.
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