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Old Posted Mar 26, 2015, 5:52 PM
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DND move to Nortel campus delayed because of structural issues with buildings

David Pugliese, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: March 26, 2015, Last Updated: March 26, 2015 10:16 AM EDT


The Department of National Defence is delaying its move into the former Nortel complex because of structural problems in a number of buildings on the campus.

DND employees were supposed to start moving in to buildings at 3500 Carling Avenue site by the end of this year.

But that will be delayed for at least nine months as the federal government spends $30 million to fix the structural problems, the Citizen has been told by a senior government official familiar with the situation.

The government will also have to spend another $6 million on extending leases for DND offices around the Ottawa area as employees in those locations cannot yet move to the Nortel campus.

A structural analysis conducted in November revealed the seriousness of the problems with the outside walls of the four buildings, according to Public Works documents obtained by the Citizen.

The giant walls are made up of panels of glass windows. The seals on many of the windows have failed and the frames that support the glass are weak, according to the Public Works document.

All the windows will now have to be replaced. In addition, the company that provided the original materials went out of business in 2011, the documents noted.

The move of the first DND employees to the campus will now take place in the fall of 2016 because of the reconstruction of the outside glass walls, the government official said.

DND will eventually transfer 8,500 military and civilian employees to the Carling Avenue location. Despite the initial delay, the move is still expected to be finished by 2020.

The government spent $208 million to buy the Nortel complex; at a December 2013 briefing for journalists defence officials said it will cost another $506 million to refit the buildings and $41 million in “transition costs,” which are the costs of existing DND leases at other sites throughout Ottawa and Gatineau.

The campus consists of about 28 hectares that was owned by Nortel and 120 hectares leased from the National Capital Commission.

The move will eventually reduce the number of rented and leased DND locations in Ottawa-Gatineau from 47 to seven.

Government officials still insist the move of DND employees will save taxpayers $750 million over the next 25 years. The DND and Public Works have not released any information, however, to back up that claim.

Asked how the government can be sure it will have realized a saving of $750 million a quarter-century from now, a Public Works official noted during the December 2013 briefing for journalists that the department is the government’s real estate expert.

Internal DND documents provide some of the reasons for the move to Nortel: reduced cab fares, less need for commissionaires to guard offices and an atmosphere that allows people to work better together.

In 2013, the Citizen reported on concerns raised by former Nortel employees and security experts that electronic eavesdropping devices from past industrial espionage operations could still be embedded in the campus.

At the time the DND denied that was the case and Julie Di Mambro, spokeswoman for then defence minister Rob Nicholson, said the government received assurances from the department that no bugs or listening devices had ever been found.

But at the December 2013 press briefing, the DND officials admitted they had never conducted a full search of the campus for listening devices.

Some DND employees and Canadian Forces personnel have also voiced concern over the move, pointing out that many live in Orléans and the commute would be too long. A June 2011 briefing note for then DND deputy minister Robert Fonberg described the Carling Campus as a “relatively remote location.”

The department, however, has said it will provide some transportation for its employees and is looking at using shuttle buses from specific locations.

The latest problem with the outside walls of the Nortel buildings isn’t the first time the move has been delayed.

Department of National Defence staff were originally supposed to be at the Carling Avenue campus starting in January 2014, according to an internal DND document. That initial move was to be the first group of 3,300 employees.

DND has not explained why that move was delayed.

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I find it interesting the initial expenditure of 500 million did not find these issues. Also, I am curious if there will be a fence erected around the campus as with every other base/military installation. I also find it funny that those who live in Orleans are complaining about the additional travel time, they will be able to drive and park there if they want, plus the LRT will likely be complete before the move in starts anyways.
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DND says it will provide some transportation service for their employees. If they provided a frequent shuttle service to and from Bayshore, that would make for a relatively easy commute by transit from Orleans especially once Phase 2 is up and going... which at this rate, it will be by the time anyone's working there!
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Wow - $744M could build you a nice brand new building somewhere east of Blair Road where more than half of the staff live!
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I find it interesting the initial expenditure of 500 million did not find these issues. Also, I am curious if there will be a fence erected around the campus as with every other base/military installation. I also find it funny that those who live in Orleans are complaining about the additional travel time, they will be able to drive and park there if they want, plus the LRT will likely be complete before the move in starts anyways.
I believe (and I am already seeing this) people will sell their place in Orleans and relocate to Kanata/Bells Corners/Barrhaven to be closer to the office.

You certainly don't choose where you live based on the location of your work but I myself wouldn't want to do this commute everyday.
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Think this will lead to reduced home prices in Orleans?
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Old Posted Mar 27, 2015, 12:37 AM
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Think this will lead to reduced home prices in Orleans?
I am not sure as I imagine there is still a significant number of public servants who work downtown and in the East End who live in Orleans.

According to this fairly recent article (May 2014), Barrhaven is supposed to be the fastest growing suburb in the city and is what Kanata and Orleans were before so suffice to say, the population growth in Barrhaven has outpaced that of Orleans.

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-...of-development

This 3-year old article also indicates average prices of homes in Barrhaven and Kanata were higher than those in Orleans

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/02/08...he-grow-census

I believe the last Ottawa census was 2011 and we should have another one coming up soon to give us latest numbers.
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Wow - $744M could build you a nice brand new building somewhere east of Blair Road where more than half of the staff live!
Where is there the land for it? Any of the land nearby is not large enough for the consolidation... I mean there was, but then CSEC and CSIS too it over.

Also, if there was any fore-sight they should have kept a portion of the Rockliffe lands and built there, close to the military hospital wing at the Montfort, it would require the least amount of re-location for personnel and would have avoided the bugs that exist in the Nortel Campus and the need for extensive renovations.
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Where is there the land for it? Any of the land nearby is not large enough for the consolidation... I mean there was, but then CSEC and CSIS too it over.

Also, if there was any fore-sight they should have kept a portion of the Rockliffe lands and built there, close to the military hospital wing at the Montfort, it would require the least amount of re-location for personnel and would have avoided the bugs that exist in the Nortel Campus and the need for extensive renovations.
Pretty well anything within the Greenbelt would be fair game, but two sites come to mind:

The old DND tank testing facility bordered by St. Joseph Boulevard, Innes Road, Lafarge Quarry / Blackburn Hamlet and Chapel Hill - an area of over 1,300 acres.

The giant corn field north of OR174 in between Green's Creek and Convent Glen North (2 of the 3 east inter-provincial bridge crossing options pass through here). This site is just under 700 acres and would have direct access to OR 174 and Phase 2 LRT.
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I am interpreting the decision to not include Andrew Leslie (MP for Orleans) in cabinet, and more specifically not as Minister of National Defence, as a sign that DND will be consolidated at the former Nortel campus.
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I am interpreting the decision to not include Andrew Leslie (MP for Orleans) in cabinet, and more specifically not as Minister of National Defence, as a sign that DND will be consolidated at the former Nortel campus.
The consolidation has been on the books for years. It was never a matter of if they would move, but how many people they would move.
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The consolidation has been on the books for years. It was never a matter of if they would move, but how many people they would move.
It is a bit too late to stop now, it is happening and about 8500 employees will be moved.
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A couple of people I know who are military police are slated to move into this campus in September 2016. They will be part of the 1st of several phases.
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Department of National Defence’s new $1-billion facility falls short on security

Robert Fife - OTTAWA BUREAU CHIEF, The Globe and Mail
Published Friday, Sep. 02, 2016 6:00AM EDT | Last updated Friday, Sep. 02, 2016 6:02AM EDT


The new $1-billion headquarters of the Department of National Defence is not secure enough to house top secret intelligence work and sensitive military operations because the facility at the old Nortel campus does not meet the exacting security standards of Canada’s international intelligence allies.

After years of delay, the first wave of 3,400 military and civilian employees will begin the move into the 10-building complex in an Ottawa suburb in November. DND will eventually transfer 8,500 employees to the 148-hectare site by 2020.

Despite extensive work on the complex, including clearing it of listening devices planted by corporate spies in its Nortel days, the new headquarters falls short of the rigorous security requirements of Canada’s Five Eyes intelligence partners: the United States, Britain, Australia and New Zealand.

“The bottom line is that we made a decision that we are not going to spend the money to replicate the physical infrastructure and the information systems and all the other technologies that are required to support intelligence and operations,” Vice-Admiral Mark Norman, the vice-chief of the defence staff in charge of overseeing the relocation, told The Globe and Mail.

For that reason, ultrasecret military intelligence operations, as well as Canadian Special Operations Forces and Canadian Joint Operations Command, which oversees military operations in Iraq, will stay in their current locations.

It is enormously expensive to meet Five Eyes’ top security requirements. Canada’s cyberspy agency, the Communications Security Establishment, met those standards when it recently moved into a new $1.2-billion headquarters in Ottawa. Every piece of material going into the construction of the CSE headquarters was inspected for possible bugs. All the construction workers were security cleared and the glass exterior of the buildings has special features to prevent spying.

“We had people even go to the concrete plant as it was prepared. When the concrete was poured into every rebar it was checked and videotaped,” said one senior official involved in the construction of the CSE building. The official said the the new DND headquarters would need to be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up to meet the Five Eyes standards.

Vice-Adm. Norman said the new headquarters will provide “secure facilities … that will allow us to conduct routine day-to-day business. … We can do all the business we need to do at a reasonable security level but we can’t do the high security stuff.”

Before Nortel filed for bankruptcy protection in 2009, it had been the target of industrial espionage for nearly a decade, mainly from suspected Chinese spies. Many of the campus buildings had also been left vacant for years before DND renovation work began, posing the risk that other spying devices may have been planted in the walls.

“The whole facility was swept when we went through in preparation for our moving in,” Vice-Adm. Norman said. “Anything that was there was legacy to what I would characterize as industrial activity and we are completely satisfied now that this is a site we are able to move into and it meets all of our security requirements. I am assured anything that was there is no longer there. … It was all legacy, old-school stuff associated with the previous occupant.”

A security shield will need to be installed in the dome of the complex’s main building that will house the offices of the defence minister, chief of the defence staff, deputy minister and senior generals. These top officials are scheduled to move into the campus in 2020.

National Defence staff was supposed move into the new location in 2014 but it was delayed as a result of extensive renovations, including new windows, security measures and information technology. Construction crews had to tear the walls down to the bare concrete to ensure there were no bugs.

The government purchased the Nortel complex at a bargain price of $208-million in 2010 and allocated another $790-million for renovations. The move will eventually reduce the number of rented and leased DND locations in the National Capital Region from 35 to four. It is expected to save taxpayers $750-million over the next 25 years.

The move will allow DND employees to collaborate and work together at one location while making use of the latest technology, said Lieutenant-Commander Diane Grover, who is in charge of communications for the headquarters move.

“It is very difficult to conduct business effectively when you are literally spread out across a long distance in the National Capital Region. So it just makes a whole lot more sense to have everyone located together,” she said. “We can use technology to much greater extent by putting in WiFi, video teleconferencing and use of tablets so we have mobility.”

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The new facility doesn't meet 'Five Eyes'? So what? I doubt that it was ever meant to meet such a high level of security. This is a facility that will collect workers who are currently spread across 35 facilities and allow them to be housed together. I don't suspect that the 35 buildings that those workers are coming from have 'Five Eyes' ratings either.
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"Department of National Defence’s new $1-billion facility"
Where is it?
The old Nortel campus at Carling and Moodie.
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A security shield will need to be installed in the dome of the complex’s main building that will house the offices of the defence minister, chief of the defence staff, deputy minister and senior generals. These top officials are scheduled to move into the campus in 2020.

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huh. I thought that they weren't relocating the Minister and top officials out to the Campus, so that they could still quickly and conveniently get to the Hill, Langevin, and other daily interdepartmental functions, and that this was a key part of the rationale for DND keeping the Maj-Gen. Pearkes Building.
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The new facility doesn't meet 'Five Eyes'? So what? I doubt that it was ever meant to meet such a high level of security. This is a facility that will collect workers who are currently spread across 35 facilities and allow them to be housed together. I don't suspect that the 35 buildings that those workers are coming from have 'Five Eyes' ratings either.
Exactly, it was never meant and he states that at the bottom of the article, reporter trying to make news of of nothing.
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