The Climate Change Discussion Thread

[casper]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

^ You're not going to convince some old fart who thinks climate change is all made up. Laugh and move on.

Also, when you add in all the talk on American politics, you know exactly how deep down the rabbit hole p_xavier. Probably hasn't had an opinion independent of Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson in years.

I think your right.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by p_xavier

For so much climate change I didn't even put my heat pump on this year. Do you even believe in climate change though? With much data being faked by activist "scientists". I don't even have the benefit of the doubt anymore. Seems just a big socialist tax grab with ESG capital fundings on the corporate side.

That's a lot of word salad you have going on there. Yes, climate change is real.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Hecate

People are going on about how the wildfires are all climate change, but it’s mostly just arsonists setting fires, I believe it was in France where a bored fireman was arrested for setting over 10 fires, they just arrested a guy for the fires in alberta last year. Somewhere in the states a bunch of community members caught a guy starting forest fires, the fires in Italy… arsonists.

But the narrative is it’s all climate change. Which is not the whole truth. The boreal forests in Canada have evolved to burn. It’s what they do. With it comes new life.

What? I'm sure you have proof for all of this...

[lio45]

p_xavier got one thing right, I forgot one of the pros & cons of the Ponzi Scheme:

Reduces government debt per capita;
Reduces GDP per capita;
Reduces available real estate per capita;
Reduces emissions per capita

By far the easiest/laziest way to reduce our industries’ emissions on paper!

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

What? I'm sure you have proof for all of this...

People don't seem to understand the concepts of risk and vulnerability.

It's not like there weren't arsonists before our time. We just didn't have the climatic conditions for every second fire bug's actions to lead to a thousand acres being burned down.

[Hackslack]

Originally Posted by lio45

p_xavier got one thing right, I forgot one of the pros & cons of the Ponzi Scheme:

Reduces government debt per capita;
Reduces GDP per capita;
Reduces available real estate per capita;
Reduces emissions per capita

By far the easiest/laziest way to reduce our industries’ emissions on paper!

It will correlate too with the carbon tax and increases in carbon tax.

[Hecate]

I am in no way denying climate change, but it’s evident that a lot of the fires happening lately have been human caused. In many cases deliberately set. Just google it, lots of arson caused wildfires happening all over the world. And the dry conditions from climate change make it worse.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by Hecate

I am in no way denying climate change, but it’s evident that a lot of the fires happening lately have been human caused. In many cases deliberately set. Just google it, lots of arson caused wildfires happening all over the world. And the dry conditions from climate change make it worse.

That's the point. Saying it's just arson minimizes the problem of climate change. It's denialism in another form.

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by p_xavier

It's more that scientists are now more activists than true scientists and this is why I can't have trust, especially with the ridiculous solutions presented. Plus the blatant hypocrisy of Canada emmits more CO2 per capita, lets have a country of 100M! Ireland culling cows, New Zealand taxing cattle C02 emissions, farming restrictions in the Netherlands while India and China doimg minimal action, even if the climate crisis is true, which I've yet to find extremely solid evidence. The climate is changing is the new boy yelling wolf. The media hysteria is just too much. "Climate boiling" by the UN, hottest July in hundreds of thousands of years, pardon me not to believe these hysteric people. Thank god for Twitter Fact Check, it cuts down on the propaganda.

You are certainly in the minority with views like that. But I really wonder if you're just trolling us.

And btw, it's not called Twitter anymore.

[OldDartmouthMark]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

That's the point. Saying it's just arson minimizes the problem of climate change. It's denialism in another form.

Fucking bingo! The wildfires I just went through were caused by the driest spring in memory. I haven't heard the results of the investigations, but I can pretty much say they were started by humans as we had no lightning in the area at the time. Most fires are human caused, and have been for a long time. Arsonists are nothing new, nor are people who mean well but make mistakes or use poor judgement. The difference is that once it starts, the dry fuel allows it to spread like crazy. Climate change means that conditions like this happen more frequently than they did in the past... hence the term "change". This is happening. Now.

Are you amazed that somebody who isn't a Millennial can understand this? Go figure...

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by Hecate

I am in no way denying climate change, but it’s evident that a lot of the fires happening lately have been human caused. In many cases deliberately set. Just google it, lots of arson caused wildfires happening all over the world. And the dry conditions from climate change make it worse.

The vast majority of big fires in Canada are started by lightning.

Climate change means on average warmer temperatures which means more difficulty fighting fires. But fortunately it isn't hot here year round and we normally eventually get precipitation to help.

While every individual fire shouldn't be blamed on climate change, the overall trend definitely can be.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

That's the point. Saying it's just arson minimizes the problem of climate change. It's denialism in another form.

It is, and there's also a leap from 'human caused' to arson. No doubt some fires have been deliberately set, but many more are 'accidental' (or due to carelessness).

In the remote boreal and northern forests, they're more likely to have been caused by lightning strikes. Climate change is believed to be altering the nature of lightning, so it's more likely to start a fire, and the hotter, drier conditions are making the land - whether forests or grassland - more likely to catch fire, and for those fires to grow faster and further than in cooler, wetter times.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by OldDartmouthMark

Are you amazed that somebody who isn't a Millennial can understand this? Go figure...

New poll shows Canadians’ view of climate change determined by age and politics, not science

https://energi.media/markham-on-ener...s-not-science/

Not every Boomer. And our friend here has probably turned his brain into Swiss cheese falling down the right wing conspiracy rabbit hole. So it's probably not age with him.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Hecate

I am in no way denying climate change, but it’s evident that a lot of the fires happening lately have been human caused. In many cases deliberately set. Just google it, lots of arson caused wildfires happening all over the world. And the dry conditions from climate change make it worse.

As mentioned, this is nothing new. Despite more restrictions and awareness of fire risk, forest fires are worse than ever. Is this because we have more firebugs, or the climate has changed to make fires bigger, harder to put out, and more destructive?

The answer is obvious and easily provable.

[niwell]

Even if one believes academic scientists to be “woke activists” or whatever I’m not sure how they account for the actions of rather large insurance companies (and no, I’m not just talking about the Florida issue). This is the number one topic with respect long-term planning at major insurance conferences. Not to mention organizations like the US military.

And no, it doesn’t mean a switch has been flipped and everything is now the fault of climate change. It’s a slow burn - figuratively and literally.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by niwell

Even if one believes academic scientists to be “woke activists” or whatever I’m not sure how they account for the actions of rather large insurance companies (and no, I’m not just talking about the Florida issue). This is the number one topic with respect long-term planning at major insurance conferences. Not to mention organizations like the US military.

And no, it doesn’t mean a switch has been flipped and everything is now the fault of climate change. It’s a slow burn - figuratively and literally.

Spit balling at a conference does not mean they accept the chicken littles. Why do banks charge no premium for a 30 year mortgage on coastal properties? Because that risk is nearly non-existent. How about loans for someone buying a 500 acre farm. No problem as if anything crop yields will rise. What about life insurance. Is the risk of death going to rise? No actually cold is far more deadly.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

Spit balling at a conference does not mean they accept the chicken littles. Why do banks charge no premium for a 30 year mortgage on coastal properties? Because that risk is nearly non-existent. How about loans for someone buying a 500 acre farm. No problem as if anything crop yields will rise. What about life insurance. Is the risk of death going to rise? No actually cold is far more deadly.

Banks don't care. Because that's the job of insurance companies. Go out and try to get a coastal mortgage without insurance. Then you'll quickly see how much the banks care.

Have you heard about insurance companies abandoning flood prone parts of Florida or fire prone parts of California? And when regulators try to cap premiums in some of these places? Insurers abandon those jurisdictions completely.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

https://energi.media/markham-on-ener...s-not-science/

Not every Boomer. And our friend here has probably turned his brain into Swiss cheese falling down the right wing conspiracy rabbit hole. So it's probably not age with him.

Boomers - from Silent Spring to greenhouse gas emissions, with stops at DDT, recycling, phosphates, acid rain, lead-free gasoline, and chlorofluorocarbons.

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by Changing City

It is, and there's also a leap from 'human caused' to arson. No doubt some fires have been deliberately set, but many more are 'accidental' (or due to carelessness).

In the remote boreal and northern forests, they're more likely to have been caused by lightning strikes. Climate change is believed to be altering the nature of lightning, so it's more likely to start a fire, and the hotter, drier conditions are making the land - whether forests or grassland - more likely to catch fire, and for those fires to grow faster and further than in cooler, wetter times.

Boreal forests are tinderboxes- conifers burn easily. The whole biome evolved around frequent burning. The weather doesn't have to get much warmer/drier for fires to go crazy.

[1overcosc]

I'm surprised nobody has brought up poor forest management. That's definitely a contributing factor.

So are windstorms. Wind storms can create lots of dead brush which catches fire more easily. Increased temperatures in winter could lead to more wind storms.