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[ethereal_reality]

This black and white negative is currently on ebay. The seller says you can "buy it now" for $125.00. (I think that's a little steep. )


"Island In The Sun" at Grauman's Chinese Theater, Hollywood. 1957


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chinese-Thea...item2edde9b6ca

The film starred: James Mason, Harry Belafonte, Joan Fontaine, Dorothy Dandridge, Joan Collins, Michael Rennie, Steven Boyd and Diana Wynyard.







based on this book

http://joancollinsarchive.blogspot.c...-sun-1957.html

[ethereal_reality]

I thought it might be fun to try and figure out where the photographer was standing when he took this slide of San Pedro in the 1950s.

"Original Slide, Overlooking San Pedro, Los Angeles CA, Early 1950s."


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Sli...item51cc20a7e2

I wonder if that red truck belonged to the photographer?
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[Albany NY]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

I thought it might be fun to try and figure out where the photographer was standing when he took this slide of San Pedro in the 1950s.

"Original Slide, Overlooking San Pedro, Los Angeles CA, Early 1950s."


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Sli...item51cc20a7e2

I wonder if that red truck belonged to the photographer?
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Hey, I don't mean to toot my own horn, but BEEP BEEP! I know nothing about San Pedro, but I found this location in less than 30 seconds by looking at Google satellite view. I looked for an intersection with a bit of a point, and bingo. The first one I tried was it. This is the intersection of South Gaffey, West 25th, and West Hamilton. Notice a few residences are still there: the two homes behind the stop sign, and the home to the right of it (which is now blue). I humbly accept all accolades for my sleuthing!

GSV

[C. King]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Here's an amazing view I found earlier this evening on eBay.

It was taken from atop the Hotel Raymond in Pasadena.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/LOS-ANGELES-...item35e58be16d

So are we looking northeast here? Notice the white house with the cupola in the distance at upper left. (it resembles the Hollenbeck house that was just discussed)
I am also intrigued by the raised area with the drive. It looks like there should be a mansion atop that slope.



-here is the complete stereoscope


reverse



If you need a refresher on how the Hotel Raymond looked go here:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=16222
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ER,

Something tells me that we are looking northwest, and the structure with the cupola is the Valley Hunt Club, the originators of the Rose Parade. Ridge line doesn't really jive if you're looking northeast. The "mansion" on the hill, would probably be in the hills above the current site of the Rose Bowl.

Casey

[Tetsu]

Originally Posted by tovangar2

I think it's the building behind the station. What is that building for anyway?
I can't remember anything anymore.

Ack, now I'm thinking about Geoff Palmer. One of his monstrosities is north of there isn't it? The station's block is getting so junked up.






tetsu and Beaudry, both these houses have come up in posts re the Allied Model Guild, which shared the intersection with them.

1047 S Bonnie Brae (1890) is pretty much a disaster inside, although a bit better now. I actually know someone who lives there. Students will put up with anything.

(1026 is nice too, but that's one other than your photo shows)

1047 and its neighbor to the south, 1053, are listed by the LA Conservancy in their Walking Tour brochure as having been moved from downtown. Is the Conservancy correct about this?

I am fond of 1851 W 11th Street. It's lovely, although hard to see with the present landscaping. I've often thought it was odd that 1851 is slotted in behind 1047 & 1053, depriving them of backyards.


google maps

Here's an earlier pic of 1851, before those queen palms got so big:

city project



Thank you e_r & HossC for the Amestoy Block pix. Perfect.

What a bummer that the interior of 1047 is/was so decrepit. Good to hear things have gotten a bit better. I had a feeling there would be tons of prefabby/Home Depot fixtures/doors/mouldings etc. inside - the utilitarian wood railing on the porch seems is like an omen for cheap fixes all around.

Thanks for the older photo of 1851. I heard somewhere that that one was moved from downtown. Would make sense in light of you pointing out how the house seems to have taken the backyards of 1047 & 1053.

[Tetsu]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Here's an amazing view I found earlier this evening on eBay.

It was taken from atop the Hotel Raymond in Pasadena.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/LOS-ANGELES-...item35e58be16d

So are we looking northeast here? Notice the white house with the cupola in the distance at upper left. (it resembles the Hollenbeck house that was just discussed)
I am also intrigued by the raised area with the drive. It looks like there should be a mansion atop that slope.



-here is the complete stereoscope


reverse



If you need a refresher on how the Hotel Raymond looked go here:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=16222
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If we're looking NW (and I'm fairly sure we are), then the mansion-less hill you speak of is Grace Hill. It soon would have a mansion built upon it, the Fredrick Roerhig-designed Stanton House (I feel like we've covered Grace Hill & the Stanton house on NLA before but I can't find anything). As the story goes, William Stanton and his wife stayed at the Raymond, fell in love with Pasadena and built their own home right across the street.

Pasadena Digital History

Amazingly, the Stanton house still stands atop Grace Hill today. It was divided up into apartments years ago and sadly was damaged in a fire, so it is hard to recognize today.

GSV

The hill was subdivided and many smaller homes have been built on it. The Stanton's water tower and carriage house still stand as well, and are both used as private residences. Here's a Google street view of the carriage house, located below the main house at Grace Terrace & Brocadero Place:

GSV

If you're curious to know what it's like to live in a converted water tower, there's actually an article about it. No photos, unfortunately. Apparently the water tower was converted early on, as public utilities became available and a private water tower became unnecessary.

[CityBoyDoug]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

This black and white negative is currently on ebay. The seller says you can "buy it now" for $125.00. (I think that's a little steep. )


"Island In The Sun" at Grauman's Chinese Theater, Hollywood. 1957


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chinese-Thea...item2edde9b6ca

The slide of Grauman's is $120 overpriced.

[tovangar2]

Originally Posted by Tetsu

If you're curious to know what it's like to live in a converted water tower, there's actually an article about it. No photos, unfortunately. Apparently the water tower was converted early on, as public utilities became available and a private water tower became unnecessary.

There was another link at the page you referenced on the watertower:

http://www.sgvtribune.com/lifestyle/...ating-problems

Curbed Los Angeles has six pix of the interior before it was last sold:

MLS

Originally Posted by Tetsu

Thanks for the older photo of 1851. I heard somewhere that that one was moved from downtown. Would make sense in light of you pointing out how the house seems to have taken the backyards of 1047 & 1053.

LOL, now I'm just more confused than ever!

[Flyingwedge]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

The description of this stereoview is more vague.

"Los Angeles from the Hills, California"


http://www.ebay.com/itm/LOS-ANGELES-...item35e58be0b9

I believe I might have posted a smaller image of this view earlier on the thread, and if I remember correctly,
we never decided on it's exact location.

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It's looking SE from the Crocker Mansion at 3rd and Olive; the photo below is c. 1890. To the left of center, from the rear, is the Fort Street Methodist Episcopal Church, on Fort/Broadway between 3rd and 4th. That church, which later became the First Methodist Episcopal Church, is at the left edge of er's photo. The Trinity Methodist Episcopal Church, on the east side of Fort/Broadway between 5th and 6th, is at far right:

USCDL -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si.../id/2922/rec/5

The brick building in er's photo to the west of the Fort Street Methodist Episcopal Church that's not in the c. 1890 photo above is identified on the 1906 Sanborn Map as the Hotel Colonade at 330 S. Hill and can be seen in the c. 1903 photo below at the bottom center:

USCDL -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si.../id/2919/rec/3

[Beaudry]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

The description of this stereoview is more vague.

"Los Angeles from the Hills, California"


http://www.ebay.com/itm/LOS-ANGELES-...item35e58be0b9

I believe I might have posted a smaller image of this view earlier on the thread, and if I remember correctly,
we never decided on it's exact location.

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Absolutely right, the building at left of center, behind the tree, is the Hotel Colonade (though when the Stereoview was shot it was known as The Whipple Boarding House) at 328/330 South Hill. Here, for example, is a shot taken from about the same vantage point, but a short time later:

huntington

—note that the Stereoview is dated 1895, and in the photo above the 1896 Hotel Aldine (326 S Hill) is now neighbor to the Whipple. Facing Clay St, that's 316, 320, and 324/6 Clay, while we see the backs of 315, 317, and 319 Hill St (note the fire station at 346/8 which, like the Aldine, also 1896, also Robert Brown Young)...

But back to the Stereoview, I'm not so sure we're looking from the Crocker, which was my first thought too: I thought we were looking onto unpaved Clay St without the improvement of the flats there but the 1894 Sanborn proves me wrong on that; I believe we're looking from the back porch of 316 or 320 Clay, over the roofs of 319-21 Hill; the structure with the two towers is 325 S Hill. What a remarkable structure that is. Don't know that I've ever seen a proper shot of it. It's there in the '94 maps and gone by '06.

[Flyingwedge]

Originally Posted by Beaudry

But back to the Stereoview, I'm not so sure we're looking from the Crocker, which was my first thought too: I thought we were looking onto unpaved Clay St without the improvement of the flats there but the 1894 Sanborn proves me wrong on that; I believe we're looking from the back porch of 316 or 320 Clay, over the roofs of 319-21 Hill; the structure with the two towers is 325 S Hill. What a remarkable structure that is. Don't know that I've ever seen a proper shot of it. It's there in the '94 maps and gone by '06.

You know Bunker Hill way better than I do, but check this out . . . .

Here's a c. 1890 photo looking west at the Crocker Mansion. In this photo, the house in the lower left corner with the two chimneys is -- I think! -- the same house as in the Stereoview just north of the structure with the two towers:

USCDL -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...d/1787/rec/383

It looks like there's a terraced hillside at the SE corner of the Crocker Mansion, and it looks like there's a terraced hillside in the foreground of the Stereoview. Plus, there's a little shack in the lower corner of the terraced area in both photos. Perhaps the Stereoview was taken from above the terraces?

[Beaudry]

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge

You know Bunker Hill way better than I do, but check this out . . . .

Here's a c. 1890 photo looking west at the Crocker Mansion. In this photo, the house in the lower left corner with the two chimneys is -- I think! -- the same house as in the Stereoview just north of the structure with the two towers:

USCDL -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...d/1787/rec/383

It looks like there's a terraced hillside at the SE corner of the Crocker Mansion, and it looks like there's a terraced hillside in the foreground of the Stereoview. Plus, there's a little shack in the lower corner of the terraced area in both photos. Perhaps the Stereoview was taken from above the terraces?

Oooo! Good call! I obviously don't know it as well as all that; I just got SCHOOLED! My whole theory about being in the back yard of 320 was absolute rubbish...about which I am terribly glad, because wondering about the twin-towered building as being on Hill Street was vexing me utterly. It makes much more sense that those towers were the backside of 324 Clay.

The terrace, the wooden fence, the gable roof'd-shack: I put a red dot about where I figure the photographer was standing and what really sells it is that the same chimney is sticking up (blue dot—and which juts from the roof of 312 Clay from what I can tell).




So here's the house you mention with the twin chimneys—what threw me was the gable in back but you're right, look at that flat roof with the decorative roof cresting and the telltale chimneys. That's 320 and it fronts on Clay!





Should any wish to see a larger version of the original image-in-question, please go here.

[HossC]

Here's a slightly different view of the Crocker Mansion. USC's title is "Panoramic view of Bunker Hill from the vicinity of Broadway and Third Street, ca.1888"


USC Digital Library

At the center of this detail shot is the building on the right of e_r's Stereoview. Sadly, its façade is partially hidden by trees.


Detail of picture above.

[HossC]

I found this postcard on eBay last night, and a quick search doesn't show any previous mentions of Brink's Cafe on NLA. I think the sign above the stairs on the right says "HAPPY NEW YEAR". The seller describes it as circa 1910s



eBay

I Googled the name "Brink's Cafe", but most of the results were just copies of the postcard. There were, however, a couple of mentions in newspapers and books which indicated a range of possible dates going from 1908 to 1914. The 1909 and 1911 City Directories list a restaurant owned by J E Brink at 236 S Spring. I'm guessing that it's the same John E Brink who appears as proprietor of the Saddlerock Restaurant, also at 236 S Spring, in the 1900/01 CD.

The only photo I've managed to find is this circa 1914 USC image of "Spring Street looking south from Sixth Street".


USC Digital Library

A close-up shows a blade sign for Brink's Cafe on the Realty Board Building at 631 S Spring.


Detail of picture above.

Brink's Cafe doesn't appear on the 1914 Baist map, but the Realty Board Building can be seen roughly halfway between the Union Oil Building and the Hotel Hayward, both of which are visible in the full picture above.


www.historicmapworks.com

Finally, I found these tokens. The website describes them as "1912-14, on Spring St".


tokencatalog.com

[ethereal_reality]

Great job in locating the Brinks Café Hoss. -seems odd the address was missing on the postcard.

The interior of Brinks closely resembles the interior of Shays with the mezzanine seating and the central staircase in the back.

(I posted this a couple weeks ago)

eBay
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[ethereal_reality]

Originally Posted by Albany NY

I don't mean to toot my own horn, but BEEP BEEP! I humbly accept all accolades for my sleuthing!

lol. -excellent job Albany!


http://www.reactiongifs.us/slow-clap-citizen-kane/

[ethereal_reality]

I'm awfully impressed with all the information you NLA'ers were able to glean from the two sepia stereoviews I posted yesterday.
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...so why stop there?


"An early view of the San Fernando Valley"


http://www.businessinsider.com/los-a...ictures-2014-4

Once again, there is a building with a turret/tower. -note the natural slope to it's right (our left)

I thought one of you aces might be able figure out the location by aligning the mountains. (I tried..without much success)
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[Asiaboy]

Nice

[ethereal_reality]

This 1964 slide surprised me a bit.

"1964 Original Slide Los Angeles AIRPORT LAX TERMINAL Modernist Architecture"


http://www.ebay.com/itm/1964-Origina...item339dfdce75

I don't recall this 'scalloped' roof. Which terminal was this?
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[ethereal_reality]

Lighting scheme on the Edison Building. (1950s?)


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Sli...item51cc207c6d

Also visible is the red Pegasus on the General Petroleum Building (built 1949) over at 612 S. Flower.
if you looks closely you can also see the back of the other Pegasus' facing in the opposite direction.

-hey, I just noticed the dimly lit Sherwood Apartments sign illuminated by a single bulb.
(it's located under the i in Embitt)
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