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Old Posted May 9, 2009, 12:46 AM
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Hamilton's economy?

I know there are a lot of steel mills in the area. Are these steel companies shedding jobs or are they staying in good health?

Is the city revitalizing/gentrifying?

Is the proximity to Toronto/GTA a good or bad thing for Hamilton?


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Old Posted May 9, 2009, 4:15 AM
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I know there are a lot of steel mills in the area. Are these steel companies shedding jobs or are they staying in good health?

Is the city revitalizing/gentrifying?

Is the proximity to Toronto/GTA a good or bad thing for Hamilton?


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Someone else may be able to give a more detailed answer, but I'll take a shot at it.

As far as I know our economy isn't doing relatively terrible, but the steel mills have taken a big hit. One of our Largest, Stelco, recently shut down until next year (I believe) and 1500 jobs were lost. There have been layoffs in the Health Care industry as well, which is currently our largest (Hamilton Health Sciences being Hamilton's largest employer). HHS is still building massive expansions at three of it's five hospitals though, which is creating a lot of construction jobs.

The city is revitalizing, although it is a slow and painful process. There are a lot of developments that have been proposed/are in the works for 2009. Some of these include:
  • 4 hotel developments
  • McMaster University Innovation Park (Research Facility)
  • Major expansions to Henderson/St. Joes/General Hospital
  • City Hall renovation
  • Lister Block renovation (heritage building)
  • Proposed LRT public transportation (to hopefully start by 2013)
James Street North has been revitalizing steadily over the last few years and continues so this year. It seems all of the revitalization has been starting outside of our core downtown, and hopefully in the future will work itself inwards.

I can't comment on gentrification because I am not sure, but certain developments seem to be promising such as the Hamilton Grand boutique Hotel, which will include condominium units starting at $200,000. This could possibly bring some more affluent individuals into the core where a lot of lower income individuals currently reside.

The proximity to Toronto can be seen as both positive and negative depending how you look at it; it's pretty subjective. I think Toronto is a great city and it's nice to be only 40-60 minutes away. Another benefit from being close to Toronto is the proposed improvements to our infrastructure and public transportation via Metrolinx (the corporation that deals with transportation for the Toronto-Hamilton region). It is inevitable that Toronto get's the bulk of the funding, but because of the size of Hamilton and proximity to Toronto we have quite a few projects with high priority as well. By the same token, though, a lot of white collar workers that live in Hamilton commute to Toronto everyday which does not do so much for our local economy.

Hope that gives you some insight into Hamilton! Why are you wondering, if I may ask? Are you interested in moving here or just curious about Hamilton?
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Old Posted May 12, 2009, 4:59 PM
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As far as I know our economy isn't doing relatively terrible, but the steel mills have taken a big hit. One of our Largest, Stelco, recently shut down until next year (I believe) and 1500 jobs were lost. There have been layoffs in the Health Care industry as well, which is currently our largest (Hamilton Health Sciences being Hamilton's largest employer). HHS is still building massive expansions at three of it's five hospitals though, which is creating a lot of construction jobs.

The city is revitalizing, although it is a slow and painful process. There are a lot of developments that have been proposed/are in the works for 2009. Some of these include:
  • 4 hotel developments
  • McMaster University Innovation Park (Research Facility)
  • Major expansions to Henderson/St. Joes/General Hospital
  • City Hall renovation
  • Lister Block renovation (heritage building)
  • Proposed LRT public transportation (to hopefully start by 2013)
You've captured the redevelopment rub, though. Not to discount the energy that these projects will bring to the table, but these are almost all driven by public investment, and few add to the tax base. I seem to recall that something like that six of the city's Top 10 employers are public-sector; the other four are metals manufacturing. So there's work to be done, need for progressive private employers and bold private investment, which can breed the sort of confidence needed to spark a genuine turnaround, and often faster than public projects.
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Old Posted May 9, 2009, 12:53 PM
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Hamilton's economy hit rock bottom during the late 80's and early 90's, the last recession. Thousands of jobs were eliminated from the manufacturing sector especially the steel sector. That recession did more damage than this current recession. So because Hamilton hit rock bottom is had nowhere to go but up.

Here's an example, Stelco once had well over 10,000 employees but currently there's probably only 1,500 employees at Stelco (US Steel Canada). So if Stelco were to completely to shut down it wouldn't really have a big dramatic effect to Hamilton's economy. We've been kind of lucky to have jobs eliminated over the years than have it hit all at once.

Health care and research is really the main drive in Hamilton's economy sort of like what's happening at Pittsburgh.

The city is currently trying to rezone the land around Hamilton's Airport for businesses (it's mostly all zoned for farming). Once that happens it'll open up a massive piece of greenfield for companies to build on. There's a group of people trying to stop this because they are afraid it’ll expand the urban boundary and lead to sprawl. They are unlikely to stop this from happening but likely to stall it.

Now if we get an NHL team that would to wonders to Hamilton's downtown core. It'll encourage more hotels, retail, stronger public transit for the region, and more white collar jobs, which will create a demand for more residential units in the core.
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Hamilton has several well established residential areas within walking distance to the core. Homes are cheap and are attracting many younger families who cannot afford homes in neighbouring Burlington or Oakville. Right now, these people commute to neighbouring cities for work and shopping along the highway. This should change with all the proposed changes and projects in the works downtown.
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Hamilton has several well established residential areas within walking distance to the core. Homes are cheap and are attracting many younger families who cannot afford homes in neighbouring Burlington or Oakville. Right now, these people commute to neighbouring cities for work and shopping along the highway. This should change with all the proposed changes and projects in the works downtown.
I agree!
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WHAT?! Pinch me so I can stop dreaming ... Millstone agreed with me on something..
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Right now, these people commute to neighbouring cities for work and shopping along the highway. This should change with all the proposed changes and projects in the works downtown.
Everyone I know in this situation hopes to find work and/or start their own business in Hamilton eventually. They view their commute as a temporary evil. How many of them will achieve their dreams is anyone's guess, but even if it's only a small percentage it will have positive ripple effects for Hamilton. When my hubby lost his job in Oakville 9 years ago, he started his own business here and employs several people.

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If I need something, I try to find a shop downtown that has it instead of going to a power centre in Burlington. However, with the 1 way streets and "No Parking" along the curbside lane for much of the downtown, its almost impossible to navigate with a car. Two-way conversion would make it sooo much easier to navigate the downtown. If you want to find a shop that you know is on King St., but you are too far west, you have to kind of *GUESS* where it is located and travel that guessed distance along Main St. Sometimes you miss it and have to make a loop or two.. Really baffles my mind how 1-way streets have lasted so long. They really hinder the downtown as a destination.
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Really baffles my mind how 1-way streets have lasted so long. They really hinder the downtown as a destination.
The purpose of the one-way streets is to facilitate traffic flow through the city, not into it. Downtown vitality has been sacrificed so people just passing through can do so a few minutes faster.
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If I need something, I try to find a shop downtown that has it instead of going to a power centre in Burlington. However, with the 1 way streets and "No Parking" along the curbside lane for much of the downtown, its almost impossible to navigate with a car. Two-way conversion would make it sooo much easier to navigate the downtown. If you want to find a shop that you know is on King St., but you are too far west, you have to kind of *GUESS* where it is located and travel that guessed distance along Main St. Sometimes you miss it and have to make a loop or two.. Really baffles my mind how 1-way streets have lasted so long. They really hinder the downtown as a destination.
I agree!
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Everyone I know in this situation hopes to find work and/or start their own business in Hamilton eventually. They view their commute as a temporary evil.
couldn't agree more!
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Everyone I know in this situation hopes to find work and/or start their own business in Hamilton eventually. They view their commute as a temporary evil. How many of them will achieve their dreams is anyone's guess, but even if it's only a small percentage it will have positive ripple effects for Hamilton. When my hubby lost his job in Oakville 9 years ago, he started his own business here and employs several people.
As someone who has recently moved here, finding work locally would be my ideal! That was one of the reasons why I moved to a smaller city. I wanted to be able to live and work and have fun within a smaller area, preferably all within walking distance. I wanted to escape the London Underground morning sardine packed commute and the London Underground must commute to anything social. If I have to commute to Toronto initially for work, then I will, but I'll actively seek local work opportunities.

Short term goals, find job downtown and then move more downtown (though Barton/Wentworth seems quite downtown, I'd like to be a little closer to the core).

Funnily enough, one of my long term goals is to start up a business. This is something that's being considered once I'm more settled and have sold up my property in the UK to use as seed money.
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I hope Hamilton gets an NHL team. Those sunbelt cities don't support or know anything about hockey anyway.
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Ok. This is getting weird.
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Some data comparing recent economic performance for Canadian cities from CIBC (PDF). Unemployment seems a bit high compared to the latest data (7.4%) but I think they use a three month average and don't have the latest data.
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Some data comparing recent economic performance for Canadian cities from CIBC (PDF). Unemployment seems a bit high compared to the latest data (7.4%) but I think they use a three month average and don't have the latest data.
I don't know where they got those figures either, I haven't seen any numbers even close to that from statscan yet. Supposedly, from an unemployment perspective we are doing pretty good, better than most from what I have heard.
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Hamilton – an example of Canada’s changing economy

By Murray T. Martin
http://www.hospitalnews.com/modules/...D=124&AID=1603

During my early childhood growing up in Western Canada, I recall reading in my grade five history textbook about the Canadian Mecca of manufacturing located in Hamilton, Ontario. This was at a time when the Stelco and Dofasco steel mills were roaring in production and Hamilton was home to big-name manufacturing icons such as Otis Elevator, Firestone, Westinghouse and more. However, the world started to change very dramatically in the late 70’s and early 80’s following a major North American recession; Hamilton’s manufacturing base started to close down and move elsewhere.

Hamilton still remains home to two steel mills, now employing only a small fraction of the 20,000 plus people employed during the pinnacle of their production years. Today, both mills have been dramatically impacted by our current recession with Stelco (now U.S. Steel) in total shutdown and Dofasco (now Arcelor-Mittal) in major slow down mode.

There is no doubt, the economic and cultural landscape in Hamilton has changed dramatically. ‘Steel town’ is becoming ‘health town.’ In the year 2009, the health-care sector is quickly becoming the largest employment sector in Hamilton with some 38,000 employees in total. The city’s single largest employer -- with close to 10,000 employees -- is Hamilton Health Sciences (HHS), a multi-site teaching hospital.

As we all know, the business of health care is terrifically employee-intense. It’s a service-based industry that remains on a high-growth trajectory as the population ages and as people continue to live longer.

With annual spending of more than $1 billion on clinical services, Hamilton Health Sciences is a major economic engine in south central Ontario. The fastest growing part of the hospital is not clinical programs, but its research enterprise. During the last fiscal year, Hamilton Health Sciences’ research revenues were $186 million. This is an increase of more than 20 per cent over the previous year and 100 per cent over just five years ago.

In Hamilton, the momentum continues to build. One of the highlights of the past year was a visit from our Prime Minister who announced HHS as one of the few hospitals in Canada to receive a major investment through the Canada Foundation for Innovation research awards to expand our research infrastructure. This investment award has resulted in the construction of a soon-to-be-opened $100 million Cardiac, Vascular & Stroke Research Institute. With this new facility, we’ll be well positioned to grow our world-class research team by a further 50 per cent.

To drive by the north Hamilton location of the new research building, co-located with a brand new, purpose-built Rehabilitation/Acquired Brain Injury Centre and the Hamilton General Hospital, one can clearly see how this once industrial core is going through an unprecedented transformation.

Other major health-care construction projects in Hamilton have stimulated the local economy well in front of any recession-busting strategies. In addition to our new research building and rehab centre, HHS has a major redevelopment underway at the Henderson General Hospital site and a series of smaller projects at the McMaster University Medical Centre site. The total value of all of these projects is in excess of $500 million. At the same time, St. Joseph’s Healthcare Hamilton has recently completed a new tower and has recently received approval for another mega project to renew and replace the old Hamilton Psychiatric Hospital facility.

New high-tech buildings, growing research, expanding clinical programs, and a changing workforce -- this is the nature of a modernizing Hamilton.

Hundreds of millions of dollars in capital project investment has dramatically changed today’s skyline view in Hamilton from smokestacks to construction cranes. The more impressive economic change on the landscape relates to the people and the families coming to Hamilton and joining the community.

Knowledge-based employees in health care and biomedical research are often highly educated and highly paid. These employees, their spouses and children are also highly educated and potential high income earners. These families have money to spend -- they eat in the city’s restaurants and shop at the malls. They enjoy the arts and the abundance of leisure activities in the area. For most, Hamilton is a well kept secret to outsiders. (You most likely did not know that Hamilton has more waterfalls than any urban city in North America and sits adjacent to a beautiful escarpment full of trees and parks?) Its economy is energized as it moves away from manufacturing and becomes increasingly based in service and high-tech industries.

In fact, Hamiltonians will say that the best thing about Hamilton is that “it is not Toronto.” And there must be some truth to this since increasingly people are choosing the affordability and lifestyle offered in Hamilton. According to real estate expert Don Campbell, who recently appeared on CBC’s The Hour, Hamilton is the number one place in Canada right now to invest in property. Among other things, including plans for improved commuter access to the Toronto core via light rail transit, proximity to Lake Ontario and other location characteristics and the changing nature of the economy and culture -- not to mention McMaster which has become Canada’s most research intensive university -- makes Hamilton a great choice for people looking for a challenging career in health care mixed with a good balance of family and fun.

Although, I’m not originally from Hamilton and I’ve worked in several other cities across Canada, I’m not surprised to see folks originally from Hamilton returning from elsewhere. And although even Hamiltonians may sometimes need to leave to come back to appreciate all that this city has to offer; when they do, they become the greatest champions of this place that’s “not Toronto.” Now, the only thing left to do is to let the NHL commissioner in on the secret -- Hamilton is also the greatest un-served hockey market in the world.

Murray T. Martin is the President and CEO of Hamilton Health Sciences.
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That was certainly one hell of an article.
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