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Old Posted May 12, 2019, 12:32 AM
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We don't have a thread for this project yet since we don't know much about it other than density is coming.

However, during my walk today, I noticed they've already brought in (what looks like, to me) soil testing equipment to the site. Time for a thread!









Feels good to have some more competent developers and investors in the city. Getting right down to business!
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Old Posted May 12, 2019, 12:47 AM
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Paul Wilson: New life at last for $20-million lost land in downtown Hamilton
Nearly two acres, bounded by Main, Hess, Caroline and George, was nothing but a parking lot for decades. It’s been sold for just over $20 million.

https://www.thespec.com/opinion-stor...town-hamilton/

In the late '80s, before condos came to town, a developer decided he'd be the first. He demolished some walk-up apartments, erected a pink, purple and green sales pavilion and started selling The Riviera — "Hamilton's Premiere Address."

The plan went bust. And ever since, that key piece of real estate — nearly two acres, bounded by Main, Hess, Caroline and George — has been nothing but parked cars.

Well, the tide has turned for condos and much else in downtown Hamilton. That long-lost piece of land has now sold for just over $20 million. In 1995, it was worth $450,000.

The purchaser is Bentall Kennedy, a $50-billion-or-so real estate investment company owned by Sun Life Financial. They're not ready to say much yet, but a query did bring an emailed statement from Brad Caco, BK's senior vice-president of development:

"There is an excitement in the downtown Hamilton core that gives us a great deal of optimism," he says.

Factors in the purchase decision include "the emergence of the local technology and life sciences industries and the development of the LRT infrastructure."

The development, he says, "will be considerate of the present and future needs of the community."

No specifics provided beyond that, but several sources say the goal is two or three residential towers on the site, a project that could be more than $300 million.

Toronto's Otis Group has owned that property for decades. Brian Otis says they've tried to make things happen on the site, including the McMaster downtown health centre that ended up a block east on Main.

Otis is a commercial developer, with projects across the province. So when it looked as though residential was the way things were heading for that downtown land, Otis says, it was time to take the offer. "But I have to tell you, I'm a little disappointed I wasn't the guy at the finish line."

Downtown Hamilton has changed, he says. "It's really coming along now … But it's still a pretty closed market, not the easiest for outsiders."

One exception, he says, is developer Darko Vranich, who has erected several towers right next door in recent years. Vranich had wanted to buy the Otis land in the past, but the timing wasn't right.

"Darko has a lot of energy," Otis says. "I should ask him for a blood transfusion."

Half-a-dozen blocks due east on Main, there's a new development where the property didn't sit empty for a minute.

It's another Vranich project — a 25-storey residential tower at Main and Walnut. He bought the property in the fall of 2017. The lawyers there moved out about six months later, demolition was underway by July, and foundation work began in a flash.

Soon a tower crane will arrive on site from a yard in Binbrook. Turns out Vranich recently bought two of these cranes, $750,000 US each, in New York state.

The other crane, now stretched out on Vranich land at King and Queen, will rise soon for a 30-storey student residence and a 10- to 12-storey Hampton Inn at that corner.

Over at Main and Walnut, new development is welcome. That piece of street needs it.

But please, a quick salute to the building at that corner which fell so fast. Its moment of glory came early in 1964, when mayor Vic Copps officially opened the national headquarters of the Society of Industrial and Cost Accountants of Canada.

The building had been the district offices of Imperial Oil — along with a service station — and later became the Parker's dry cleaning plant.

But the accountants spent substantial money to change all that. As Spec writer Milford L. Smith reported 55 years ago:

"The asphalt pavement, oil-stained by tens of thousands of automobiles in the gas station days, has been torn up. In its place is a raised area in which grass and trees and flowers will be planted, restoring in part the Main Street East scene when palatial residences were set back from the roadway."

Old mansions on that stretch of Main? Hard to imagine. Everything changes, but it's good to know what came before.
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Old Posted May 13, 2019, 3:31 PM
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This can't come soon enough! This sea of parking is slowly all being filled in
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One wonders if there will be another resubmission of this development now that the city is pretty serious about changing Main St to two-way. Seems that much of the driveway design was because the city didn't want certain turning maneuvers onto a one-way Main St.
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One wonders if there will be another resubmission of this development now that the city is pretty serious about changing Main St to two-way. Seems that much of the driveway design was because the city didn't want certain turning maneuvers onto a one-way Main St.
Given the latest precedents set via MZOs and at the OLT, I think any resubmission can contemplate a lot more than just the driveways. I agree that this would have to be part of the project to go forward, imo. But Hamilton Isn't always logical, so.
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Given the latest precedents set via MZOs and at the OLT, I think any resubmission can contemplate a lot more than just the driveways. I agree that this would have to be part of the project to go forward, imo. But Hamilton Isn't always logical, so.
Do you have a more specific item to which you are referring? I'm not super familiar with the recent precedent to which you might be speaking on and am curious!
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Old Posted Jun 16, 2023, 6:21 PM
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Do you have a more specific item to which you are referring? I'm not super familiar with the recent precedent to which you might be speaking on and am curious!
I was more generally referring to how they are being applied more liberally to allow density increases essentially anywhere. I was thinking of Lakeview in Mississauga. it’s possibly the start of circumventing municipal planning departments, so projects in their early stages that are open to redesigns and resubmissions might want to contemplate deferring projects directly to the OLT. Especially if the builders here have some other things they’d rather do that isn’t allowed by the city. Height increase would be top of mind but unlikely. Maybe no parking?
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I'd personally like to see reduced parking here and less driveways, especially on George St.

I also think this is one spot where allowing a higher tower against the east edge of the property makes sense. If it were 40, 27 and 14 from east to west I think that would work better, especially if they could include the existing buildings fronting Hess. I'd even be okay with the east tower hitting 50 if it meant more housing and perhaps take another 2 floors off the side on Hess.
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I noticed today while driving by that they have ripped up at least half of the asphalt on this property. I am not sure what this means but I thought they only recently resurfaced this lot. I was planning to go back for another look but...best laid plans…
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They definitely haven't resurfaced this lot recently. I park here sometimes and it's in terrible shape.
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So, I drove by this evening, and I am disappointed! They have resurfaced about half the lot. This means they are not going to do anything there for the foreseeable future.
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resurfacing doesn't mean much - it's often a municipal compliance issue on minimum maintenance standards. For all we know they got slapped with a fine from the city and had to address it.
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Didn't we see soil sampling here like two years ago?
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Old Posted Nov 22, 2023, 12:41 AM
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New site plan, shared by Ritsman on UT:



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