What? Did you even read what I wrote? You completely misunderstood my point. You said:
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Originally Posted by urbanlife
Though the proof of the success of the urban growth boundary can be seen throughout Portland. Many of the city's inner neighborhoods would not be successful without the boundary, North Portland would still be a crap hole without the boundary.
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I said that the revitalization in North Portland doesn't have much to with the UGB. That doesn't mean I don't support the UGB or that we should all live in the suburbs, as you also implied - ffs no, I hate the suburbs.
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You are aware Portland isnt just reshuffling its population? The people who are moving to places like North Portland are coming from different parts of the country and are choosing to live there because it is a little bit more affordable than other parts of Portland and still is a decent neighborhood to live in, unlike the inner neighborhoods in the city that I grew up next to (which I grew up in the suburbs, therefore I would say I moved from the suburbs to live within the city.)
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Yes, people are moving from all over the country to live in Portland, but the UGB itself is not the reason they're moving to our
urban neighborhoods; they move there for the cool lifestyle. Why do people move to Silver Lake? Adams Morgan? Williamsburg? These are, like North Portland, popular urban neighborhoods that didn't require any UGB to become attractive places to live. They became attractive because they were at some point relatively inexpensive, but still retained some of their older character; artists moved in, the neighborhood became hip, old people who mistakenly think they've still got it moved in as well, prices went up, artists could no longer afford it and moved on to the next neighborhood. No UGB required.
Where the UGB does, sort of, work, is in places like Sherwood and Cornelius; places at the edge, which might have otherwise sprawled out even further; places that aren't attractive to the hipsters who reside in North Portland.
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Originally Posted by urbanlife
I will ask you this, seeing that the region isnt wasting money on infrastructure that extends 20 miles out in every direction, would you rather see this metro extend as far out as it can with nothing but light suburban density? Or would you rather live in a city that focuses on growing within?
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This is your most ridiculous of comments. What could possibly make you think that I want us to sprawl out as far as possible??
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"UGB isn't the cause of inner city revitalization" != "Get rid of the UGB"
Yes, we've contained ourselves better than Tampa, but we could have done better. We could have written the law so that there was no need to have a 20-year land supply inside the UGB. We didn't have to expand the UGB to include Damascus. We could have been more aggressive about increasing density in our town centers and we could have decided to tax the hell out of surface parking.
And btw, what makes you think that we're
not building infrastructure that extends 20 miles out? Two of Metro's road projects are a freeway from I-5 to Sherwood and an expressway from Troutdale to US-26, bypassing Gresham. In Yamhill County, there's that enormous bypass they want to build outside of Newberg. How many streets in Hillsboro have been widened to four lanes in the past 15 years? And hey, how far out does the MAX go? The blue line extends out 18 miles west of Portland. We
are spending money on infrastructure way out at the edges, just like they do in Houston or Jacksonville.
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Originally Posted by urbanlife
I can only speak from personal experience, but I have lived in city that did not have an UGB and I live in Portland, that does, and I can say that I would much rather live in Portland where a 15 minute drive seems like a long drive compared to a 40 minute drive and it still feel like you are still in the middle of the suburbs...but that is just my point of view on it and there is plenty of people out there that love the suburbs.
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Again, what makes you think that anyone here is advocating for sprawl as far as possible?
If you happened to read what I actually wrote you won't find anything of the sort.