PHILADELPHIA | The Ryland @ One Dock Street | 380 FT | 31 FLOORS - Page 8

allovertown · #**141** Posted **Sep 21, 2021, 2:39 AM**

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Originally Posted by Inquizative

That whole space could've have been one huge skyscraper of at least 800+ feet. It could've been a combination of 2 hotels and (the Ritz?) condos on top. With land around it's perimeter. The W negates the existence of the Ritz. You can't see it on the skyline anymore. It looks like one building.
If anything, the W should have been where the Ritz is and vice versa.

Two nice buildings. I don't get the issue.

PHL10 · #**142** Posted **Sep 21, 2021, 11:51 AM**

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Originally Posted by allovertown

Two nice buildings. I don't get the issue.

Exactly and if one understands the history of the site, the dispute between the property owners, etc., a unified project wasn't going to be possible. But like you said, hard to argue that the outcome was tremendously positive considering the site started out as a burned out 500 ft office building.

Shem12 · #**143** Posted **Sep 21, 2021, 5:48 PM**

Why do we always stop just shy of 400ft

PHLtoNYC · #**144** Posted **Sep 21, 2021, 5:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by allovertown

Two nice buildings. I don't get the issue.

And high-end projects too. The Residences is a trophy brand and The W adds a new level of chic to the Philadelphia hotel scene.

TK2001 · #**145** Posted **Sep 21, 2021, 7:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by Shem12

Why do we always stop just shy of 400ft

Hey, at least we can build over 491 feet now. Towers just under 400 feet have a pretty big impact on the skyline. Just look at PECO Building, and that was built before the dissolving of the Gentleman's Agreement

Insoluble · #**146** Posted **Nov 4, 2021, 6:08 PM**

I walked by here this morning to check how it's been progressing. Took a picture too. The hole doesn't seem to have gotten much deeper from the last update a couple of months ago. I wonder if the site is a particularly complicated one to excavate. Maybe the found some archeological artifacts or something, or maybe it's just tough being right next to the existing building and highway and all. The do have a massive drill on site now, and it does look like there were quite a few people there working. Sorry for kind of a non-update, but I figured I'd share what I saw even though not much has changed.

20211104_081331 (photo by me)

Mikieman · #**147** Posted **Nov 4, 2021, 7:53 PM**

I'm past here almost everyday, I can confirm they have sunk a ton of pylons. They are working everyday till at least 6. The site is always super muddy so I'm guessing that's the reason for sinking so many. Plus I don't believe it will have any underground parking so not expecting a huge hole if any.

Insoluble · #**148** Posted **Nov 5, 2021, 12:29 AM**

Cool, that makes a lot of sense given the lower ground level and proximity to the river. And yeah, the site looked super active as you said. I guess the big drill rig must be for getting the pylons in. Thanks for the info!

badthingshappen · #**149** Posted **Nov 11, 2021, 2:21 AM**

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Originally Posted by TK2001

Towers just under 400 feet have a pretty big impact on the skyline.

Not to mention it's not like this will be nestled in among Center City. The existing Society Hill towers have been needing some company for a long time now!

Redddog · #**150** Posted **Nov 11, 2021, 3:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by badthingshappen

Not to mention it's not like this will be nestled in among Center City. The existing Society Hill towers have been needing some company for a long time now!

Not if you talked to the people who live IN those towers.

This is one of my favorite projects in the city right now. Not because I love the architecture, but becuase it makes those well-healed NIMBYs stew because others will get what they've had for decades.

It's hilarious. People in Society Hill are PISSED. haha

Philly Fan · #**151** Posted **Nov 11, 2021, 3:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by Redddog

Not if you talked to the people who live IN those towers.

This is one of my favorite projects in the city right now. Not because I love the architecture, but becuase it makes those well-healed NIMBYs stew because others will get what they've had for decades.

It's hilarious. People in Society Hill are PISSED. haha

It's all about owning the NIMBYs.

Human Scale · #**152** Posted **Nov 29, 2021, 6:43 PM**

https://images.app.goo.gl/3miNLp6U1XBHACrE7

Hittin it from the back

mcgrath618 · #**153** Posted **Nov 29, 2021, 7:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by Human Scale

https://images.app.goo.gl/3miNLp6U1XBHACrE7

Was it though, Inga?

Was it really a masterpiece??

PHLtoNYC · #**154** Posted **Nov 29, 2021, 7:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by mcgrath618

Was it though, Inga?

Was it really a masterpiece??

All the more reason to build this and The Dilworth "tower", and hopefully the hotel on Walnut where that mansion sits.

Inga makes a good point at the end of her article though. This mantra should be true for the entire city, not just Society Hill...

"The alternative is to stop saying no and start encouraging developers to come up with designs that are worthy of Society Hill’s heritage, both the Colonial and the modern."

mja · #**155** Posted **Nov 29, 2021, 11:46 PM**

That article is nearly 3 years old and is primarily focused on calling out both NIMBYism and lackluster design. Just saying...

PHLtoNYC · #**156** Posted **Nov 30, 2021, 1:30 AM**

O wow, thanks for pointing that out, I didn't even think to look at the date.
Not sure why it was even shared then.

Justin7 · #**157** Posted **Nov 30, 2021, 1:04 PM**

Also, journalists rarely write or even approve their own headlines. It's clickbait.

Since we're discussing the article, however, I agree with her assessment of 1 dock street, but disagree that reducing its height is a solution.

Also, while Pei's towers deserve respect, I'd stop well short of reverence. Fill in the whole damn area. Start with the ridiculous parking lot between the towers.

PHL10 · #**158** Posted **Nov 30, 2021, 2:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by Justin7

Also, while Pei's towers deserve respect, I'd stop well short of reverence. Fill in the whole damn area. Start with the ridiculous parking lot between the towers.

Agreed. I love the design of the individual towers but the design of the entire complex is text book "towers in the park" mid-century urban renewal nightmare.

Which version of Society Hill do we prefer?

Human Scale · #**159** Posted **Nov 30, 2021, 10:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by mja

That article is nearly 3 years old and is primarily focused on calling out both NIMBYism and lackluster design. Just saying...

The picture, not posted to this tread previously, is why the link was shared.

mja · #**160** Posted **Dec 1, 2021, 1:25 AM**

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Originally Posted by Human Scale

The picture, not posted to this tread previously, is why the link was shared.

That's what I assumed and I appreciated it. I was just responding to the discussion it generated.