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Old Posted Jan 9, 2022, 7:34 PM
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Exclamation The Climate Change Thread - NO POLITICS!

Call it whatever you want but flooding/wildfires/and other extreme weather is on an upward protectory in terms of property damage and lives lost. Purpose of this thread is to document how this change is impacting our cities similar to the COVID-19 thread. Any politics or political undertones must be posted here or one of the supermods will open up a can of whoop ass!

9 cities that could be underwater by 2030
https://www.timeout.com/things-to-do...rwater-by-2030

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Global warming can be difficult to properly visualise. If you’re not directly threatened by rising sea levels, suffering water shortages or ravaged by wildfires, how do you know it’s really happening? It can all seem a little abstract.

That’s why projects like Climate Central are so essential. This website creates maps that show which parts of the world could find themselves underwater due to rising sea levels. So as the planet keeps getting warmer – and pollution continues unabated – which cities around the globe could find themselves underwater as early as 2030? To find out, we looked at Climate Central’s latest maps, which are based on the IPCC’s 2021 report – in other words, some of the most reliable climate-change data out there.

Of course, there are plenty of variables at play, but what we’re looking at here is what might happen if pollution continues on its current trajectory. These maps show future sea levels (in red), but don’t show what could happen during flooding or other extreme weather events.

A lot can change between now and 2030. We could build flood defences, adapt our cities and – ideally, if the COP26 talks go to plan – take dramatic action to halt global warming. But if none of that happens, here are the potential consequences: nine cities that could find themselves entirely (or in large part) underwater within a decade.

     
     
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The volume of water we'll need to deal with is pretty astonishing -- tens of thousands of cubic miles.

I wrote a short story about this btw.
     
     
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The volume of water we'll need to deal with is pretty astonishing -- tens of thousands of cubic miles.

I wrote a short story about this btw.
Thanks. Interesting read. I'm reminded of New York and parts of New Jersey after Ida. There was literally rivers in the streets as the storms overwhelmed existing stormwater infrastructure and it's only a matter of time before rain events like that become more common.

Tropical Storm Lee - 2011
Hurricane Irene - 2011
Hurricane Sandy - 2012
Hurricane Ida - 2021

All of these were suppose to be one in a hundred year events but there was four of them within a 10-year period.
     
     
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Thanks. The Pacific Northwest seems to be lining up a lot of once-in-a lifetime events as well -- heat wave, rainfall and flooding, etc.
     
     
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This thread is doomed because the global response to climate change is about almost nothing but politics. You can't discuss the one without the other.
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This thread is doomed because the global response to climate change is about almost nothing but politics. You can't discuss the one without the other.
Same could be said about COVID. Discuss the impacts it is having on communities.
     
     
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In my opinion, the biggest issue with climate change is the the science is moving faster than our ability to properly respond to it is.....

We have great climate models, that are getting better with spatial resolution. This means we can update our projections with a better picture than we could 20 years ago. But.... climate models are still coarse enough that we still don't understand the hyper-local impacts of climate change.

What do these various scenarios mean for flooding at parcel A? What about potential runaway feedback processes (I.E., methane release from permafrost melting or unloading of CO2 from massive wildfires)? Are we able to capture changes in local storm scale and intensity under these different scenarios?

This is all very important because that will help shape adaptation and mitigation strategies. Unfortunately, it appears we are already seeing more extreme events without understanding exactly where things are heading in the next 10-20 years.

On the emissions end, I fully believe we are fucked there. Reducing CO2 is a long-game, not one we can address immediately.

So, we are faced with a balancing act between slowly reducing our emissions, investing into research to better understand localized impacts with time, and ensuring we mitigate economic shocks to the system from extreme events.

It's a pretty damn complicated problem that I don't expect anyone to have a magical bullet to solve anytime soon.
     
     
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Same could be said about COVID. Discuss the impacts it is having on communities.
Without discussing the response? Because that's what you'll have to do.
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This thread is doomed because the global response to climate change is about almost nothing but politics. You can't discuss the one without the other.
That would be people injecting the political sides onto an idea. Everybody knows what party supports what...just don't mention it and everything is ok. I think CA can benefit from using canals to mitigate some of the sea level rise and some of our water issues. The water table for sure is gonna go up...so that's good.
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Will Florida be lost forever to the climate crisis?
Richard Luscombe in Miami
Tue 21 Apr 2020 06.00 EDT

Few places on the planet are more at risk from the climate crisis than south Florida, where more than 8 million residents are affected by the convergence of almost every modern environmental challenge – from rising seas to contaminated drinking water, more frequent and powerful hurricanes, coastal erosion, flooding and vanishing wildlife and habitat.

If scientists are right, the lower third of the state will be underwater by the end of the century. Yet despite this grim outlook, scientists, politicians, environment groups and others are tackling the challenges head on.


Below are some of the biggest threats posed by the climate crisis to south Florida today . . .

Sea level rise

Water contamination

Hurricanes

Wildlife and habitat loss

Coastal erosion

Climate gentrification

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For details and possible solutions, which are VERY political, see:
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...l-habitat-loss
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That would be people injecting the political sides onto an idea. Everybody knows what party supports what...just don't mention it and everything is ok. I think CA can benefit from using canals to mitigate some of the sea level rise and some of our water issues. The water table for sure is gonna go up...so that's good.
At the local level, it's often not a party issue. For example, see the discussion linked above to the South Florida question.
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I have a question about bike lanes in urban areas. The city has installed two-way protected bike lanes downtown as part of their climate action plan to reduce carbon. https://www.sandiego.gov/2020cap.
These new bike lanes have dedicated lanes with their own traffic signals. I was downtown the other day and decided to observe a couple light cycles at an intersection on 6th Avenue. The bike lane gets the green ahead of vehicle traffic. Then it turns from green to yellow to red. After the bike lane turns red, the pedestrian walk signal is on and the vehicle traffic signal is green.

So my question is, are bikes supposed to remain stopped at a red signal even when a walk signal is on with a vehicle green light?
     
     
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At the local level, it's often not a party issue.
Talking about policy is different, at least to me, as that doesn't count as "politics". Just don't mention the actual parties or sides....
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We had a thread before that had to be moved to Current Events because of the climate deniers.
     
     
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We had a thread before that had to be moved to Current Events because of the climate deniers.
They have moved, I believe, to "we can't stop it, so lets not try to fix it".
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Without discussing the response? Because that's what you'll have to do.
Let me introduce you to The Big U and other related resilience projects being implemented by New York City in response to climate change.

http://www.rebuildbydesign.org/our-w...projects/big-u


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In collaboration with New York City, The BIG U proposal was developed to protect Lower Manhattan from floodwater, storms, and other impacts of a changing climate. The BIG U calls for a protective system around the low-lying topography of Manhattan beginning at West 57th Street, going down to The Battery, and then back up to East 42nd Street.

The proposal was conceived as 10 continuous miles of protection tailored to respond to individual neighborhood typology as well as community-desired amenities. The proposal breaks the area into compartments: East River Park; Two Bridges and Chinatown; and Brooklyn Bridge to The Battery. Like the hull of a ship, each can provide a flood-protection zone, providing separate opportunities for integrated social and community planning processes for each. Each compartment comprises a physically separate flood-protection zone, isolated from flooding in the other zones, but each equally a field for integrated social and community planning. The compartments work in concert to protect and enhance the city, but each compartment’s proposal is designed to stand on its own.

EAST RIVER PARK: A proposed Bridging Berm will both protect the area from storm surges and rising sea levels, and offer waterfront access for relaxation, socializing, and enjoying river vistas by providing pleasant, accessible routes over the highway into the park. Additionally, salt-tolerant trees and plants will provide a resilient urban habitat.

TWO BRIDGES AND CHINATOWN: Deployable walls attached to the underside of an elevated highway can flip down to mitigate flooding. Decorated by neighborhood artists, the panels will create an inviting ceiling when not in use, while integrated lighting will transform a currently menacing area into a safe community destination.

BROOKLYN BRIDGE TO THE BATTERY: The Battery Berm weaves an elevated path with a series of upland knolls to form unique landscapes. The plan envisions transforming the existing Coast Guard building into a new maritime museum or environmental education facility featuring a “Reverse Aquarium” where visitors can observe tidal variations and sea level rise.
Lower Manhattan Coastal Resiliency Project


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For details and possible solutions, which are VERY political, see:
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...l-habitat-loss
I'm filtering out the article to make it non-political

Will Florida be lost forever to the climate crisis?

Few places on the planet are more at risk from the climate crisis than south Florida, where more than 8 million residents are affected by the convergence of almost every modern environmental challenge – from rising seas to contaminated drinking water, more frequent and powerful hurricanes, coastal erosion, flooding and vanishing wildlife and habitat.

Sea level rise

The threat: By any estimation, Florida is drowning. In some scenarios, sea levels will rise up to 31in by 2060, a devastating prediction for a region that already deals regularly with tidal flooding and where an estimated 120,000 properties on or near the water are at risk. The pace of the rise is also hastening, scientists say – it took 31 years for the waters around Miami to rise by six inches, while the next six inches will take only 15 more. At such a rate, many of Miami Beach’s landmarks, the world famous South Beach, and the picturesque art deco hotels of Ocean Drive, will be lost within three decades, according to some studies.

Possible solutions: Dozens of municipalities, the four counties of south-east Florida, and partner groups such as the Nature Conservancy have combined their efforts through the south-east regional action climate plan to tackle the crisis. In Miami Beach, dubbed the “ground zero” of sea rise, a multifaceted and costly Rising Above program is already under way. It includes elevating roads, building new sea walls and installing new and higher capacity pumps and drainage systems to alleviate flooding. In the Florida Keys, the approach will probably tilt more towards managed retreat: abandoning areas too expensive to maintain and focusing on measures with a better cost-benefit ratio. Parts of the Keys are going to simply disappear, some within two decades.

The cost: The participating counties and municipalities are contributing to a $4bn statewide spend, including Miami Beach’s $400m Forever Bond, a $1bn stormwater plan and $250m of improvements to Broward county’s sewage systems to protect against flooding and seawater seepage.

Hurricanes

The threat: In October 2018, Hurricane Michael made landfall in the Florida Panhandle as the first category 5 cyclone to strike the US since 1992. In the devastating hurricane season just one year before, major storms named Harvey, Maria and Irma combined to cause damage estimated at $265bn. Scientists have evidence the climate crisis is causing cyclones to be more powerful, and intensify more quickly, and Florida’s position at the end of the Atlantic Ocean’s “hurricane alley” makes it twice as vulnerable as any other state.

Possible solutions: Previous efforts to tame hurricanes were a failure, and experts see mitigation strategies, including more robust building codes, as the best defense. Hurricane Andrew in 1992, which destroyed more than 63,000 houses, led to the implementation of a statewide construction code that is updated every three years, though there are regional variations, and criticisms that industry lobbyists have too much sway.

The cost: With homeowners and businesses largely bearing their own costs, the specific amount spent on “hurricane-proofing” in Florida is impossible to know. A 2018 Pew research study documented $1.3bn in hazard mitigation grants from federal and state funding in 2017, along with a further $8bn in post-disaster grants. Florida is spending another $633m from the US Department of Housing and Urban Development on resiliency planning.

Climate gentrification

The threat: “Climate gentrification” is a buzzword around south Florida, a region barely 6ft above sea level where land has become increasingly valuable in elevated areas. Speculators and developers are eyeing historically black, working-class and poorer areas, pushing out long-term residents and replacing affordable housing with upscale developments and luxury accommodations that only the wealthy can afford

Possible solutions: Experts argue there are ways to lessen the impact of climate gentrification on local populations without the need for displacement, such as providing affordable working space and housing for existing residents, and using sustainable construction practices and environmentally friendly materials. Magic City’s developers insist they are committed to the neighborhood, including below-market-cost housing. Local authorities and activist groups are working to “protect” areas by investing in revitalization and affordable housing projects.

The cost: No study has yet calculated the overall cost of affordable housing lost to the climate crisis. Private developers will bear the expense of mitigating the impact on the neighborhood – $31m in Magic City’s case over 15 years to the Little Haiti Revitalization Trust, largely for new “green” affordable housing.



See, plenty of City Issues related to us skyscraper nerds to discuss and if anyone wants to have a political discussion about these topics, they're free to shit their smelly diarrhea in the Current Events subform, where it belongs.
     
     
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Talking about policy is different, at least to me, as that doesn't count as "politics". Just don't mention the actual parties or sides....
Bingo. Policy has always been allowed in City Issues. It's when there is reference to the national political parties that gets people banned.
     
     
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2030 is now 8 years away and barring any wild card event, I realistically just don't see New Orleans, Amsterdam or Bangkok under water in this short amount of time.
     
     
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2030 is now 8 years away and barring any wild card event, I realistically just don't see New Orleans, Amsterdam or Bangkok under water in this short amount of time.
I agree with you. But I don’t know enough about the science that went into developing the maps to refute it.
     
     
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